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Topic: Should I be scared?
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StarLover33
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posted September 21, 2004 03:35 PM
 
>>>Subject: Fw: Compulsory Draft Bills Pending
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>>> Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26)
>>>starting June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know about.
>>>This literally effects everyone since we all have or know children that
>>>will have to go if this bill passes.
>>> There is pending legislation in the house and senate
>>>(companion bills: S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's
>>>initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005, just after
>>>the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to
>>>get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the
>>>elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links
>>>follow.
>>> This plan, among other things, eliminates higher
>>>education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. Also, crossing
>>>into Canada has already been made very difficult.
>>>
>>> Actions:
>>> Please send this on to all the parents and teachers
>>>you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . . And
>>>let your children know - - it's their future, and they can be a powerful
>>>voice for change!
>>>
>>> This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in
>>>detail at this website: http://thomas.loc.gov/
>>> Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring
>>>up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long.
>>>
>>> If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL
>>>WOMEN from ages 18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In addition,
>>>college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will
>>>be signing an agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit
>>>anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within it's borders. This
>>>bill also includes the extention of military service for all those that
>>>are currently active. If you go to the selcet service web site and read
>>>their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reasoning for this is to
>>>increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a
>>>critical piece of legislation, this will effect our undergradates, our
>>>children and our grandchildren.
>>>Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how you
>>>feel about this legislation.
>>> www.house.gov <http://www.house.gov> www.senate.gov
>>><http://www.senate.gov>
>>> Please also write to your representatives and ask them
>>>why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and write to
>>>newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering
>>>this important story.
>>> The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004
>>>selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that
>>>could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to
>>>Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for
>>>decades, is ready for activation.
>>> Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html
>>><http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html> to view the Selective Service
>>>System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004.
>>> The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to
>>>fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots
>>>nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military
>>>experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if
>>>Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and
>>>permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S. may have
>>>no choice but to draft.
>>>
>>>www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp
>>><http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp>
>>>entitled the Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the
>>>common defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the
>>>United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a
>>>period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and
>>>homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently
>>>sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will be more
>>>difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be
>>>options. In December, 200 1, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border
>>>declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.
>>>Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S.
>>>Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30
>>>point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance
>>>agreement" of people
>>> entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft
>>>more
>>>equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education
>>>as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until
>>>the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of
>>>the academic year.
>>>
>>> What to do: Tell your friends, Contact your
>>>legislators and ask them to oppose these bills
>>>
>>> Just type "congress" into the aol search engine
>>>and input your zip code. A list of your reps will pop up with a way to
>>>email them directly. We can't just sit and pretend that by ignoring it,
>>>it will go away. We must voice our concerns and create the world we want
>>>to live in for our children and grandchildren.IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 21, 2004 04:17 PM
Yep Starlover, this is not something that is new, we've known about this since the begining of this year, the government wants to compile all of our children for this "failed war" into Iraq and Afghanistan in order to work for Halliburton, kill off most of the innocent Men, Women and Children of Iraq and get those oil wells up and running for the Royal Saudi Family ran OPEC already, so we can still pay for gas and keep on polluting the world, FOREVER!But you don't have to worry about all that Starlover, just think of it, you'll be on your feet for so long, that you'll get used to standing on unemployment lines for long amounts of time, but with no experience other then to shoot a rifle and stock pile missles for any real job detail when you get back to the states! And if your lucky Starlover, the war will either last when their's only a handful of Iraqis left or the US runs out of money! So Starlover, after saying all of this.... How do you like your president and the GOP now??!!! IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
Newflake Posts: 0
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posted September 21, 2004 04:23 PM
I know one thing though, the Demorcrats will never put out a surplus ever again without placing it into somekind of a secure fund, so that it will be the people of America that will have it, instead of some Repuke putting his/her grubby hands on it, for some bogus war that only benifits them!IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted September 21, 2004 04:25 PM
 Well, if it ever happens then I'm just going to have to put myself in jail. I wouldn't go because it would destroy my family. I'm certaim many people would understand.  That is, if I can't get out for being 100lbs, with chronic asthma, bad eyesight, and PMS. -StarLover IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 21, 2004 04:32 PM
If you look for it, I think that I've posted something of this back in the spring, going to jail won't work either anyway they said that prisoners are to be the first ones to go, to have they're attitudes adjusted and to "be all the they can be"!IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 2787
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2004 04:40 PM
Star, the piece you posted about a draft is totally misleading and it's Democrat propaganda. Not your fault, the rumor is all over the Internet that the President is going to re-institute the draft....after the elections. Propaganda designed to swing voters away from the President.This is the truth, this is from the schedule of bills for the House and Senate. Coming to a location near you, a selective service office. Physicals, induction into the armed forces and basic training to follow...if the following Democrats get their way.  Notice, it's all Democrats behind this bill, all rabid Bush haters, all the most liberal members of Congress.  Not one Republican sponsor....in the House or the Senate. HR163 House Sponsor
Charles Rangel......Democrat, New York http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163: House Co-Sponsors
Jim McDermott......Democrat, Washington
John Conyers........Democrat, Michigan
John Lewis...........Democrat, Georgia
Pete Stark............Democrat, California
Neil Abercrombie......Democrat, Hawaii
Donna Christensen.....Democrat, Virgin Islands
Alcee Hastings........Democrat, Florida
Sheila-Jackson-Lee....Democrat, Texas
Corrine Brown.........Democrat, Florida
Lacy Clay.............Democrat, Missouri
Elijah Cummings.......Democrat, Maryland
Jesse Jackson, Jr.....Democrat, Illinois
James Moran...........Democrat, Virginia
Nydia Velazquez.......Democrat, New York http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@P S89 Senate Sponsor
Ernest Hollings.....Democrat, South Carolina http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00089:
No Co-Sponsors If anyone from this list is fronting for the President or cooperating with the President in any way, it will be the first time in history
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ozonefiller
Newflake Posts: 0
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posted September 21, 2004 06:02 PM
I thought that you said that it was pretty cool for the draft to happen JW(for something to do with X chromosomes in America), or did you change your mind now?IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 2787
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2004 06:32 PM
Ummm Ozone, please quote the part of my post on this thread where I express an opinion, one way or the other on whether we should have a draft...or not.In the past, I've stated a preference for a universal draft, the reasoning of which is that it's obvious too many of our men and boys seem to have 2 X chromosomes instead of an X and a Y. Perhaps those men and boys would find that missing Y chromosome during a military hitch. IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 21, 2004 06:55 PM
quote:
Looking forward to the day the President re-institutes the military draft.
Nothing better than basic training to deliver an "attitude adjustment".
And this one... quote:
We need a military draft, yesterday! Not because we need a bigger military force but to make men out of some who seem to have one too many X chromosomes.
There is others, but this is just a couple. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 2787
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2004 07:58 PM
Thank you for making MY point Ozone.  IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 21, 2004 08:21 PM
You just seem to make it like if this was all organised by just the Demorcrats again, but the point that I'm trying to make is the fact that you not only agree to this, but also that it's the president that wants to re-institute the draft as well.IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 21, 2004 09:30 PM
Seems to me that you would find an individual who conscientiously objected to a war guilty of an evil act, jwhop. Is that true? You don't think that there are always better ways to settle disagreements than by killing?IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 2787
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2004 10:18 PM
Hey Ozone, It IS the Democrats trying to do this ALL the sponsors of the House and Senate bills ARE Democrats Not ONE Republican among the sponsors Ozone How does that make you feel Ozone? Now Ozone I invite you, hell Ozone I dare you, to try to find and post right here a quote of George W. Bush, President, where he is quoted to have said he IS in favor of a military draft. A legitimate source would be appreciated Ozone  Paras, specifically what have I said that would lead anyone to conclude I would consider a conscientious objector guilty of an "evil act"? Hell, I wouldn't even call them girlie men like Arnold would. When someone is trying to kill me paras, killing them is the ONLY course of action I would consider and that extends to attempts or plans by terrorists to kill any other American as well. So, no paras, I do not think there are "always" better ways to settle differences than killing. Depends on what the other party is doing. IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted September 21, 2004 10:30 PM
Bush doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would draft women. Especially since he has daughters of his own. I don't want to be drafted period. I will do anything not to ever go. But still, is this the real thing, will it ever happen I mean? -StarLover IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 21, 2004 10:46 PM
Anything can happen Starlover, yeah to some extent their would have to be some debating over it(like anyother law, or act, etc), but the thing is, if it passes, someone's going "bye-bye"!Don't feel too bad, I don't like the idea of my little sister going either, she's just not cut out for war! IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 21, 2004 10:48 PM
Tell me this JW, what would this draft be for, for what reason?IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted September 21, 2004 10:56 PM
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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted September 21, 2004 11:17 PM
 It just isn't giving me a good feeling, maybe I'm paranoid, my response is like I have to prepare or something. It's weird. I'm 17 years old, and I swear to god a rifle would be heavier than me. I'm from Boston, I've never even seen a gun other than on a police officer. -StarLover IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 21, 2004 11:19 PM
Yeah Starlover, you also have to remember too, the president can also veto HR163, but if he doesn't then I guess that it wouldn't be entirely the Demorcrats fault.IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted September 21, 2004 11:22 PM
I will pray that Bush and others will make the right descision then. There are millions of girls like me. We were not raised for this. There isn't about equal rights, girls were not raised like boys. Girls are different. Girls should choose to fight because they think they can, not be forced to. Do you understand what I'm saying?-StarLover IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 21, 2004 11:27 PM
Well, how bad is your eyesight, they can take someone that just has to ware glasses, but if it's worse then that, you might not be able to have to worry about the draft after all.
Your chronic asthma can also be a contributing factor that can keep you out of the front lines too!
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StarLover33
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posted September 21, 2004 11:29 PM
My eyes aren't totally terrible, but I do have chronic asthma that occurs with strenuous exercise.-StarLover IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted September 21, 2004 11:30 PM
I can't believe I have to thank god I have asthma. -StarLover IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 21, 2004 11:31 PM
...but can you run with that asthma, that's what they're gonna see.IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted September 21, 2004 11:33 PM
No, without medicine and an inhaler I can't do anything. Allergies will provoke it no matter what I take.-StarLover IP: Logged | |
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