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Topic: Wake Up
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LibraSparkle
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posted September 22, 2004 11:37 AM
 
To Those Who Have, Would and Will Attack Me:
Thank you:
- for shaking me out of my complacency
- for mobilizing my will to introspect
- for mobilizing my will to participate in life, rather than merely allowing life to live me
- for reminding me that I am alive
- for holding a mirror up to my face
- for reminding me of what is most important in life
- for inspiring me to seek love in moments of crisis
- for bringing people together in ways not otherwise accessible
- for inspiring courage, co-operation, uncommon feeling and a renewed sense of community
- for alerting me to the fact that all things and people around me can be destroyed or die, but that there is something within each of us that is immortal, that can never be tarnished, that can never fade, never die, that is always connected to all others and all things
- for illuminating the more extreme emotions that still lie within me, otherwise denied and hidden, that still await my attention, resolution, healing and love
- for inspiring me to actively share my love with those around me
- for causing me to question my beliefs, my values, my biases, my one-eyed stances, my judgments and my blame
- for causing me to seek a bigger picture, a picture that makes sense of the perceived chaos and disorder around me
- for contributing to my evolution of consciousness
- for challenging me to love my enemies
- for helping see that my enemies are but mirror reflections of my own inner devils
- for helping me to love my own inner devils
- for reminding me that each one of us, individually, is a holographic mirror of the whole of Humanity, complete with peace and war, violence and pacifism, love and hatred, likes and dislikes, views and counter-views, angels and devils
- for again bringing the question into the forefront of my consciousness: where is God in all this? (And for bringing me, through my introspection, to again ask myself, where is God not?)
- for strengthening my resolve, my vision, my purpose of sharing my God-given gifts with others in whatever way I can
- for reminding me that I, like all others, indeed have a purpose in life, for myself and for others
- for strengthening my certainty that nothing happens or can happen that does not Serve a higher purpose, that nothing happens or can happen that is not ultimately a Service and an act of Love To my enemies:
In the ensuing days, weeks, months, years,
in whatever way I respond or others respond to your challenges,
collectively or individually,
whether from hatred and fear or from love and certainty,
whether violent or peaceful,
whether destructive or constructive,
I Wish for you the same awakening to love that you have given me,
for I know in my Heart, with utter certainty,
that all things are a Service of Love,
that all things are part of larger Plan,
that each of us is the same in one respect:
we are all here to learn how to Love. This makes us all brothers and sisters...
MARTIN LASS
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trillian
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posted September 22, 2004 11:40 AM
I would absolutely defend the right of paras to state his opinion.I would debate that he has done so in a civil manner. IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 12:09 PM
I seeee, Trillian. So, if my manner of debate is labelled as "uncivil", then, pray tell, what label do you apply to jwhop's manner?IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 12:26 PM
Jwhop, I'd love the chance to engage in a non-political debate with you and show this entire site that you ain't the sh*t -- but I don't expect you to. Subconsciously, deep down, the idea of a mental challenge on any other issue but Democrats vs. Republicans scares the pi$s out of you and I know it. It's just really sh*tty of you to say over and over and over again how I "can't handle" a debate, and now shrink from one yourself.You're not brave if you only pick the fights you know you can win. I've come here and been brave on your turf. Let's see if you've got any such guts. IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 12:35 PM
Little present for you, jwhop -- you staunch opponent of compassion and forgiveness, you:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000586-2.html IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted September 22, 2004 12:53 PM
Paras, if you can't see the negativity dripping off your Posts, then perhaps you should engage in some much-needed self-reflection. Your "I hate Jwhop" rhetoric is becoming tiresome. It never fails that when someone gripes incessantly about negativity on this site, they always end up contributing substantially to it. ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 01:16 PM
You're absolutely correct, Randall! By complaining, I *am* contributing to it. Not my ultimate goal, but something I can't avoid for the moment. I feel injustice has been done. Besides, I don't want to walk away now, knowing that he'll crow "See? He couldn't handle it and ran away." Followed of course by sixteen posts going, "Yep, you're right, j, see what chickens the 'Liberals' are?" (Notice I always put quotes around the names of the groups he tries to classify me in.)Besides, didn't I already try the "let's kiss and make up" approach? No one -- especially jwhop -- seemed to like that idea. So, damned if I do, and damned if I don't, right? IP: Logged |
Isis
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posted September 22, 2004 01:37 PM
My gosh, if your only and/or main concern is that he will have gotten one up on you - sheesh, let it go. IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 01:42 PM
Sorry, Isis, I cannot in good conscience do that. While it would be personally gratifying to show him up -- I readily admit to that -- that is NOT my purpose. Go back and read through my posts so far to this string; my motivation (hint, hint) is right there, in black and white.IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted September 22, 2004 02:07 PM
Paras,I do understand where you are coming from. My only issue is the manner in which you are presenting yourself. Why do you feel the need to show him up? Why is it so difficult to just accept who he is and say to yourself... "*F* it... it's JW at his BS again and let it go? So what if you don't like him, or his manner of debate. Who cares? Really, Paras, you can devote this passion inside you to something much more constructive for yourself. Who cares who can out debate whom? That is not the point of this forum. To me it is to hash out the details of what is in need of change in this world with various beautiful minds that have many differnt oppinions. I'm totally guilty of spitting sarcasm when something someone says annoys me. (Ask Ozone) Most of us are. JW is no different... except for the fact that he doesn't agree with MOST of us so probably alot of what is said annoys him.... so, he responds with sarcasm. So what? It really seems to be much adu about nothing. If he were not here to argue points that make you angry, you wouldn't be thinking about things from any other perspective than your own. If we all agreed in here about everything, there would be nothing to discuss. I have to admit.. .sometimes I kinda get off on the bickering that can go on with JW  In my sick and twisted mind, it's kinda fun sometimes. Why can't we accept each other for who and what we are? IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 02:24 PM
*Sigh* quote:
Who cares who can out debate whom? That is not the point of this forum.
Why not tell that to jwhop, LibraSparkle??? Haven't you heard him behave as if that WERE the point of this forum, time and time again? Haven't you heard him repeatedly accuse his opponents of being "unable to handle a debate" and request reams of proof and evidence to support their opinions? quote:
If he were not here to argue points that make you angry, you wouldn't be thinking about things from any other perspective than your own.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I am always seeking out new ways of looking at things. I don't need jwhop's abrasive and abusive presentation of another viewpoint to see one.Good lord, people, all I want is some love around here! Why do you all fight against that idea? What do you think that says about you? As for this being personal against jwhop, I have perceived him as the chief cause of the ugliness around here. Take out the cause, and the symptoms go away, that's my thinking. And it's more than personal -- I feel bad for all the other people he's hurt, too! I'm frocking sick of watching him get away with it! IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 02:31 PM
Oh, gee, like I can't see his answer to that coming.  "It's not my fault if the pansy Liberals can't hold their own in a debate and run crying." Nice try, but I've heard it before. You are a bully, jwhop. Period. And I take issue with that, because no one else will. You HAVE been DIRECTLY and BLATANTLY insulting, FAR beyond what was required to make your point. Try to deny it. I'll flood this string with hateful quotes from you. I'll make it so obvious that no one can deny it. I am not mistaken about the negative energy I feel pouring from you every day. Maybe a miracle will happen, and you'll suddenly realize it and apologize and turn into a nice person. Heh.IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 22, 2004 02:34 PM
Have you had the chance to look into your Yahoo mail yet Paras? I got something to say towards your response to me yesterday. Why don't you go ahead and read it? IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 02:39 PM
It's not what you say, j. It's the way you say it. Think about that.IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted September 22, 2004 02:59 PM
Paras, you need to take a chill pill.  -StarLover IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted September 22, 2004 03:00 PM
The point, Paras love, is to rise above the petty nonsense and not give your energy into it. You have a lot of valuable information to post about... I'd really like it if you can get back to that and let this go. I completely empathize with your need for fairness. I completely understand how you could see things here as unfair. I see it too... but life's not fair. We Librans have to come to terms with that.  I want love around here too... and I find it. I have love for everyone here, whether I agree with their manner of debate or not. I really suggest you look within about this confilct that has arisen... and ask why it's so hard to let go. I don't know that I've made it clear in my previous posts that I do see what you're saying Paras. I hear you, and empathize with you. I really do...   There's some love for you in GU, Paras It's the only kind I can offer you, as a married woman  ... gotta keep the kinky stuff to Pix and 26, ya know  IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: The Goober Galaxy
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posted September 22, 2004 03:01 PM
Paras, all of the above advice you just gave applies to you--the negativity especially, and the advice about the way you say things. I almost find it amusing that you can't see how blind you are to the situation. In the very least you and Jwhop are very much alike, and at the very worst, you are describing yourself (or at least yourself the past several days). ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
trillian
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posted September 22, 2004 03:05 PM
Ahhh, Randall, we can count on a Cappy for clear insight. My sentiments exactly. IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 22, 2004 03:06 PM
...otherwise Paras, you are beating a dead horse!Maybe the same one that Isis shot because she fell off of it yesterday! IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 03:12 PM
Well, that's my nature and I'm anything but blind to it. Libra Sun/Sagittarius Moon influence, perhaps? I take up a cause and tenaciously beat that horse till he's horseburger. But the pain I have felt from others is REAL, and I'm mad as hell at the person who inflicted it -- needlessly. IP: Logged |
Philbird
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posted September 22, 2004 03:14 PM
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Isis
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posted September 22, 2004 03:21 PM
OZ, I asked you yesterday to leave me out of your posts. To refresh your memory: quote:
Why don't you just stop?
then after you continued: quote:
If someone asks to be left alone you should respect that. Do you do that in real life? Bother someone, then when they ask you to stop, you just keep going and going? I'm going to ask again, please cease and desist, leave me and/or any reference of me out of your conversations, and just move on. Thanks
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ozonefiller
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posted September 22, 2004 03:24 PM
But you didn't say that you were talking to me or not, I thought that you were talking to 26T......but I'll do as you ask! IP: Logged |
paras
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posted September 22, 2004 03:24 PM
Isis, "no offense, but you can't control things/people..."Sound familiar? Did you include Ozone as one of those things/people? IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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posted September 22, 2004 03:29 PM
Yeah, I kinda wonder whether or not people think that I nothing but a "thing"!IP: Logged | |
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