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jwhop
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posted October 13, 2004 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coming Soon

New Film Exposes Michael Moore and Fahrenheit 9/11 as Fraud

Now comes FahrenHYPE 9/11 – a bipartisan film that shows precisely how every major claim in Michael Moore’s movie was a fabrication, manipulation, or misrepresentation.

FahrenHYPE 9/11 is the talk of Washington, NY and Hollywood and features Dick Morris, Sen. Zell Miller, Ron Silver, Ann Coulter, Ed Koch, Rep. Peter King and others.

They offer an accurate, unbiased examination of the same events – in many cases the very same footage, as seen in Fahrenheit 9/11.

Only the footage is used in unedited form, which paints an entirely different and clearer perspective.

Several people who found themselves in Fahrenheit 9/11 were eager to appear in FahrenHYPE 9/11 to clarify what they call misrepresentations of their experiences, including Gwen Tose-Rigell, the Principal of the school where Bush spoke on 9/11 (in fact, a Gore Democrat) who saw the events of that day differently; and Sgt. Peter Damon, the injured soldier Moore presented as “disillusioned and abandoned” who sets the record straight for soldiers everywhere.

FahrenHYPE 9/11 shows precisely how Fahrenheit 9/11 distorts facts to create fiction. Specific examples include Moore’s:

forging of a Pantagraph newspaper headline
doctoring of footage of President Bush on 9/11

misrepresenting the annual Al Smith fundraising dinner

denying the findings on who actually won the 2000 Florida election

manipulating the truth of the Afghan oil pipeline deal, the Carlyle Group, the Saudi Departures on 9/11, and much more.

Supporters of Michael Moore see in him the creative rough and tumble of a Jonathan Swift, the proletarian fighter of a Sinclair Lewis, the hijinks of a Hunter Thompson.

FahrenHYPE 9/11 suggests that Joseph Goebbels was a much better propagandist, Leni Riefenstahl a better filmmaker, Ezra Pound more lyrical during World War II, and Tokyo Rose more attractive.

‘Fahrenhype’ Shreds Moore’s 'Fahrenheit'

"There is no terrorist threat."

Those are the words of uber-liberal filmmaker and author Michael Moore, whose controversial film "Fahrenheit 9/11," which essentially blamed President Bush for the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, has sparked a number of counter-films.

One of them, "Fahrenhype 9/11," by Alan Peterson, features interviews with a number of today's most influential decision-makers, analysts and pundits.

Narrated by actor Ron Silver — an admitted two-time Bill Clinton supporter who is highly critical of Moore — the film dissects Moore's work point by point, even featuring a number of people who appeared in the liberal icon's original film.

'Fahrenhype' opens with an interview of the Sarasota, Fla. grade school principal, Tose Rigell, who was hosting President Bush when he was told a pair of airliners had crashed into the World Trade Center, leading his advisors to inform him, "America is under attack."

Moore asserted Bush was to slow to react, but Peterson's film shows that not only did the president react calmly and correctly, but did so in a timely fashion.
Says Rigell in the film, "I thought Bush reacted well."

At another point in Peterson's film, Ed Koch, former Democratic mayor of New York City, is incredulous over Moore's assertion that terrorists do not threaten the U.S.
"I said, 'Three thousand people were killed! How can you say that?'" Koch said during his interview.

Dick Morris, a co-writer of the film, was also interviewed extensively.
Morris notes how Moore offered no criticism of Bill Clinton, though the Sept. 11 attacks had been plotted largely during the Clinton presidency.

Morris says although Clinton is a very intelligent person, he was not really aware of the severity of the terrorist threat facing the country, despite eight years' worth of examples, beginning with the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.

He also said Clinton's national security team pooh-poohed an opportunity in the mid-1990s to get al Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. He said the country of Sudan offered him up, but the Clinton White House refused to take the offer seriously.

By the time bin Laden became a wanted man, he was "tucked away" in Afghanistan, being protected by the al Qaida-friendly Taliban regime, and was out of reach, Morris said.

Morris also said an aviation security panel chaired by then-Vice President Al Gore actually came up with some very good ideas, but they were never implemented by the White House.

"I hold Clinton very responsible for the failure of aviation security," Morris says in “Fahrenhype.”

Michael Moore made numerous charges against Bush, including a conspiracy led by Bush and Dick Cheney that was concocted to help their business supporters build an oil pipeline through Afghanistan, which is why, Moore charges, they wanted to invade that country.

Interviewees of Peterson refuted such charges, however, and showed how Moore was trying to make points based not on fact but on innuendo and insinuation.

"I had the distinct privilege of being interviewed for this film," says Mike Cawley, of Roy, Utah. "My brother was killed in Iraq March 29, 2003. The level of disgust I feel toward Michael Moore and his type is beyond words…"

Frank Gaffney, who heads up the Center for Security Policy and was President Reagan's assistant secretary of defense, appeared in the film to help refute Moore's assertion there is no terrorist threat to the U.S.

In particular, Gaffney was among the first analysts to note "the international situation bequeathed by Bill Clinton to George Bush was considerably more threatening than was widely perceived at the time."

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http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=FahrenHYPE_9/11


FahrenHYPE 9/11

FahrenHYPE 9/11 is a direct-to-DVD attack on Fahrenheit 9/11 to be released October 5, 2004. It has been heavily advertised on right-wing weblogs. The film is created by Michael & Me L.P.. While the film claims "unravel the truth about Fahrenheit 9/11", its slogan that "you knew it was a lie...now you'll know why" suggests its real aim is pandering to conservatives upset by the charges of the original film.

The trailer consists mostly of a lot of prominent conservatives insisting that Moore is just really wrong. The trailer also includes Ann Coulter saying "This is a movie based on lies." Oddly, it also features a number of people defending their freedom to create their response film based on the First Amendment and such.

(Is that the same First Amendment that gave Michael Moore the freedom to create his film? - Mirandee)

The film features:


Dick Morris, narrator
Zell Miller
Ron Silver
Ed Koch
Ann Coulter
Peter King
Steve Emerson
Frank Gaffney
David Frum
Dave Kopel
David Hardy and Jason Clarke, authors of Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man
Bill Sammon

What Disinfopedia is About:

Big corporations and governments spend hundreds of millions of dollars on deceptive propaganda campaigns waged through front groups and industry-funded think tanks to sell wars (Iraqi National Congress), trash organic agriculture (Center for Global Food Issues), smear activists as terrorists (ActivistCash.com), tell the public that mad cow disease is no big deal (Harvard Center for Risk Analysis), and push right-wing policy agendas (Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute and American Enterprise Institute, to name just a few). These well-funded and strategic disinformation campaigns mislead and confuse the press and the public and prevent social change. Identifying and exposing the thousands of individuals, corporations and PR firms behind this propaganda has been almost impossible -- until now. The Center for Media and Democracy has launched a new on-line research project, the Disinfopedia, which uses innovative "wiki" technology to create a virtual community of collaborating citizen researchers and journalists. Visit the Disinfopedia, and join our growing team of online muckrakers.

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posted October 13, 2004 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure, Michael Moore had the right to make his fantasy propaganda film and I have the right to trash his fantasy and him upon any occasion I decide to do so.

Because his moronic movie is pure lying propaganda, I intend to trash his film and him upon every occasion the topic comes up.

For openers though I'm going to let one of Moore's former far leftist comrades, Christopher Hitchins do the honors and he does it so well too. He does have a way with words and his logic is faultless.

Unfairenheit 9/11
The lies of Michael Moore.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, June 21, 2004, at 12:26 PM PT

Moore: Trying to have it three ways

One of the many problems with the American left, and indeed of the American left, has been its image and self-image as something rather too solemn, mirthless, herbivorous, dull, monochrome, righteous, and boring. How many times, in my old days at The Nation magazine, did I hear wistful and semienvious ruminations? Where was the radical Firing Line show? Who will be our Rush Limbaugh? I used privately to hope that the emphasis, if the comrades ever got around to it, would be on the first of those and not the second. But the meetings themselves were so mind-numbing and lugubrious that I thought the danger of success on either front was infinitely slight.

Nonetheless, it seems that an answer to this long-felt need is finally beginning to emerge. I exempt Al Franken's unintentionally funny Air America network, to which I gave a couple of interviews in its early days. There, one could hear the reassuring noise of collapsing scenery and tripped-over wires and be reminded once again that correct politics and smooth media presentation are not even distant cousins. With Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, however, an entirely new note has been struck. Here we glimpse a possible fusion between the turgid routines of MoveOn.org and the filmic standards, if not exactly the filmic skills, of Sergei Eisenstein or Leni Riefenstahl.

To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.

In late 2002, almost a year after the al-Qaida assault on American society, I had an onstage debate with Michael Moore at the Telluride Film Festival. In the course of this exchange, he stated his view that Osama Bin Laden should be considered innocent until proven guilty. This was, he said, the American way. The intervention in Afghanistan, he maintained, had been at least to that extent unjustified. Something—I cannot guess what, since we knew as much then as we do now—has since apparently persuaded Moore that Osama Bin Laden is as guilty as hell. Indeed, Osama is suddenly so guilty and so all-powerful that any other discussion of any other topic is a dangerous "distraction" from the fight against him. I believe that I understand the convenience of this late conversion.


Recruiters in Michigan

Fahrenheit 9/11 makes the following points about Bin Laden and about Afghanistan, and makes them in this order:

1) The Bin Laden family (if not exactly Osama himself) had a close if convoluted business relationship with the Bush family, through the Carlyle Group.

2) Saudi capital in general is a very large element of foreign investment in the United States.

3) The Unocal company in Texas had been willing to discuss a gas pipeline across Afghanistan with the Taliban, as had other vested interests.

4) The Bush administration sent far too few ground troops to Afghanistan and thus allowed far too many Taliban and al-Qaida members to escape.

5) The Afghan government, in supporting the coalition in Iraq, was purely risible in that its non-army was purely American.

6) The American lives lost in Afghanistan have been wasted. (This I divine from the fact that this supposedly "antiwar" film is dedicated ruefully to all those killed there, as well as in Iraq.)

It must be evident to anyone, despite the rapid-fire way in which Moore's direction eases the audience hastily past the contradictions, that these discrepant scatter shots do not cohere at any point. Either the Saudis run U.S. policy (through family ties or overwhelming economic interest), or they do not. As allies and patrons of the Taliban regime, they either opposed Bush's removal of it, or they did not. (They opposed the removal, all right: They wouldn't even let Tony Blair land his own plane on their soil at the time of the operation.) Either we sent too many troops, or were wrong to send any at all—the latter was Moore's view as late as 2002—or we sent too few. If we were going to make sure no Taliban or al-Qaida forces survived or escaped, we would have had to be more ruthless than I suspect that Mr. Moore is really recommending. And these are simply observations on what is "in" the film. If we turn to the facts that are deliberately left out, we discover that there is an emerging Afghan army, that the country is now a joint NATO responsibility and thus under the protection of the broadest military alliance in history, that it has a new constitution and is preparing against hellish odds to hold a general election, and that at least a million and a half of its former refugees have opted to return. I don't think a pipeline is being constructed yet, not that Afghanistan couldn't do with a pipeline. But a highway from Kabul to Kandahar—an insurance against warlordism and a condition of nation-building—is nearing completion with infinite labor and risk. We also discover that the parties of the Afghan secular left—like the parties of the Iraqi secular left—are strongly in favor of the regime change. But this is not the sort of irony in which Moore chooses to deal.

He prefers leaden sarcasm to irony and, indeed, may not appreciate the distinction. In a long and paranoid (and tedious) section at the opening of the film, he makes heavy innuendoes about the flights that took members of the Bin Laden family out of the country after Sept. 11. I banged on about this myself at the time and wrote a Nation column drawing attention to the groveling Larry King interview with the insufferable Prince Bandar, which Moore excerpts. However, recent developments have not been kind to our Mike. In the interval between Moore's triumph at Cannes and the release of the film in the United States, the 9/11 commission has found nothing to complain of in the timing or arrangement of the flights. And Richard Clarke, Bush's former chief of counterterrorism, has come forward to say that he, and he alone, took the responsibility for authorizing those Saudi departures. This might not matter so much to the ethos of Fahrenheit 9/11, except that—as you might expect—Clarke is presented throughout as the brow-furrowed ethical hero of the entire post-9/11 moment. And it does not seem very likely that, in his open admission about the Bin Laden family evacuation, Clarke is taking a fall, or a spear in the chest, for the Bush administration. So, that's another bust for this windy and bloated cinematic "key to all mythologies."

A film that bases itself on a big lie and a big misrepresentation can only sustain itself by a dizzying succession of smaller falsehoods, beefed up by wilder and (if possible) yet more-contradictory claims. President Bush is accused of taking too many lazy vacations. (What is that about, by the way? Isn't he supposed to be an unceasing planner for future aggressive wars?) But the shot of him "relaxing at Camp David" shows him side by side with Tony Blair. I say "shows," even though this photograph is on-screen so briefly that if you sneeze or blink, you won't recognize the other figure. A meeting with the prime minister of the United Kingdom, or at least with this prime minister, is not a goof-off.

The president is also captured in a well-worn TV news clip, on a golf course, making a boilerplate response to a question on terrorism and then asking the reporters to watch his drive. Well, that's what you get if you catch the president on a golf course. If Eisenhower had done this, as he often did, it would have been presented as calm statesmanship. If Clinton had done it, as he often did, it would have shown his charm. More interesting is the moment where Bush is shown frozen on his chair at the infant school in Florida, looking stunned and useless for seven whole minutes after the news of the second plane on 9/11. Many are those who say that he should have leaped from his stool, adopted a Russell Crowe stance, and gone to work. I could even wish that myself. But if he had done any such thing then (as he did with his "Let's roll" and "dead or alive" remarks a month later), half the Michael Moore community would now be calling him a man who went to war on a hectic, crazed impulse. The other half would be saying what they already say—that he knew the attack was coming, was using it to cement himself in power, and couldn't wait to get on with his coup. This is the line taken by Gore Vidal and by a scandalous recent book that also revives the charge of FDR's collusion over Pearl Harbor. At least Moore's film should put the shameful purveyors of that last theory back in their paranoid box.

But it won't because it encourages their half-baked fantasies in so many other ways. We are introduced to Iraq, "a sovereign nation." (In fact, Iraq's "sovereignty" was heavily qualified by international sanctions, however questionable, which reflected its noncompliance with important U.N. resolutions.) In this peaceable kingdom, according to Moore's flabbergasting choice of film shots, children are flying little kites, shoppers are smiling in the sunshine, and the gentle rhythms of life are undisturbed. Then—wham! From the night sky come the terror weapons of American imperialism. Watching the clips Moore uses, and recalling them well, I can recognize various Saddam palaces and military and police centers getting the treatment. But these sites are not identified as such. In fact, I don't think Al Jazeera would, on a bad day, have transmitted anything so utterly propagandistic. You would also be led to think that the term "civilian casualty" had not even been in the Iraqi vocabulary until March 2003. I remember asking Moore at Telluride if he was or was not a pacifist. He would not give a straight answer then, and he doesn't now, either. I'll just say that the "insurgent" side is presented in this film as justifiably outraged, whereas the 30-year record of Baathist war crimes and repression and aggression is not mentioned once. (Actually, that's not quite right. It is briefly mentioned but only, and smarmily, because of the bad period when Washington preferred Saddam to the likewise unmentioned Ayatollah Khomeini.)

That this—his pro-American moment—was the worst Moore could possibly say of Saddam's depravity is further suggested by some astonishing falsifications. Moore asserts that Iraq under Saddam had never attacked or killed or even threatened (his words) any American. I never quite know whether Moore is as ignorant as he looks, or even if that would be humanly possible. Baghdad was for years the official, undisguised home address of Abu Nidal, then the most-wanted gangster in the world, who had been sentenced to death even by the PLO and had blown up airports in Vienna* and Rome. Baghdad was the safe house for the man whose "operation" murdered Leon Klinghoffer. Saddam boasted publicly of his financial sponsorship of suicide bombers in Israel. (Quite a few Americans of all denominations walk the streets of Jerusalem.) In 1991, a large number of Western hostages were taken by the hideous Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and held in terrible conditions for a long time. After that same invasion was repelled—Saddam having killed quite a few Americans and Egyptians and Syrians and Brits in the meantime and having threatened to kill many more—the Iraqi secret police were caught trying to murder former President Bush during his visit to Kuwait. Never mind whether his son should take that personally. (Though why should he not?) Should you and I not resent any foreign dictatorship that attempts to kill one of our retired chief executives? (President Clinton certainly took it that way: He ordered the destruction by cruise missiles of the Baathist "security" headquarters.) Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country. In 1993, a certain Mr. Yasin helped mix the chemicals for the bomb at the World Trade Center and then skipped to Iraq, where he remained a guest of the state until the overthrow of Saddam. In 2001, Saddam's regime was the only one in the region that openly celebrated the attacks on New York and Washington and described them as just the beginning of a larger revenge. Its official media regularly spewed out a stream of anti-Semitic incitement. I think one might describe that as "threatening," even if one was narrow enough to think that anti-Semitism only menaces Jews. And it was after, and not before, the 9/11 attacks that Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war. On Dec. 1, 2003, the New York Times reported—and the David Kay report had established—that Saddam had been secretly negotiating with the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il in a series of secret meetings in Syria, as late as the spring of 2003, to buy a North Korean missile system, and missile-production system, right off the shelf. (This attempt was not uncovered until after the fall of Baghdad, the coalition's presence having meanwhile put an end to the negotiations.)

Thus, in spite of the film's loaded bias against the work of the mind, you can grasp even while watching it that Michael Moore has just said, in so many words, the one thing that no reflective or informed person can possibly believe: that Saddam Hussein was no problem. No problem at all. Now look again at the facts I have cited above. If these things had been allowed to happen under any other administration, you can be sure that Moore and others would now glibly be accusing the president of ignoring, or of having ignored, some fairly unmistakable "warnings."

The same "let's have it both ways" opportunism infects his treatment of another very serious subject, namely domestic counterterrorist policy. From being accused of overlooking too many warnings—not exactly an original point—the administration is now lavishly taunted for issuing too many. (Would there not have been "fear" if the harbingers of 9/11 had been taken seriously?) We are shown some American civilians who have had absurd encounters with idiotic "security" staff. (Have you ever met anyone who can't tell such a story?) Then we are immediately shown underfunded police departments that don't have the means or the manpower to do any stop-and-search: a power suddenly demanded by Moore on their behalf that we know by definition would at least lead to some ridiculous interrogations. Finally, Moore complains that there isn't enough intrusion and confiscation at airports and says that it is appalling that every air traveler is not forcibly relieved of all matches and lighters. (Cue mood music for sinister influence of Big Tobacco.) So—he wants even more pocket-rummaging by airport officials? Uh, no, not exactly. But by this stage, who's counting? Moore is having it three ways and asserting everything and nothing. Again—simply not serious.

Circling back to where we began, why did Moore's evil Saudis not join "the Coalition of the Willing"? Why instead did they force the United States to switch its regional military headquarters to Qatar? If the Bush family and the al-Saud dynasty live in each other's pockets, as is alleged in a sort of vulgar sub-Brechtian scene with Arab headdresses replacing top hats, then how come the most reactionary regime in the region has been powerless to stop Bush from demolishing its clone in Kabul and its buffer regime in Baghdad? The Saudis hate, as they did in 1991, the idea that Iraq's recuperated oil industry might challenge their near-monopoly. They fear the liberation of the Shiite Muslims they so despise. To make these elementary points is to collapse the whole pathetic edifice of the film's "theory." Perhaps Moore prefers the pro-Saudi Kissinger/Scowcroft plan for the Middle East, where stability trumps every other consideration and where one dare not upset the local house of cards, or killing-field of Kurds? This would be a strange position for a purported radical. Then again, perhaps he does not take this conservative line because his real pitch is not to any audience member with a serious interest in foreign policy. It is to the provincial isolationist.

I have already said that Moore's film has the staunch courage to mock Bush for his verbal infelicity. Yet it's much, much braver than that. From Fahrenheit 9/11 you can glean even more astounding and hidden disclosures, such as the capitalist nature of American society, the existence of Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex," and the use of "spin" in the presentation of our politicians. It's high time someone had the nerve to point this out. There's more. Poor people often volunteer to join the army, and some of them are duskier than others. Betcha didn't know that. Back in Flint, Mich., Moore feels on safe ground. There are no martyred rabbits this time. Instead, it's the poor and black who shoulder the packs and rifles and march away. I won't dwell on the fact that black Americans have fought for almost a century and a half, from insisting on their right to join the U.S. Army and fight in the Civil War to the right to have a desegregated Army that set the pace for post-1945 civil rights. I'll merely ask this: In the film, Moore says loudly and repeatedly that not enough troops were sent to garrison Afghanistan and Iraq. (This is now a favorite cleverness of those who were, in the first place, against sending any soldiers at all.) Well, where does he think those needful heroes and heroines would have come from? Does he favor a draft—the most statist and oppressive solution? Does he think that only hapless and gullible proles sign up for the Marines? Does he think—as he seems to suggest—that parents can "send" their children, as he stupidly asks elected members of Congress to do? Would he have abandoned Gettysburg because the Union allowed civilians to pay proxies to serve in their place? Would he have supported the antidraft (and very antiblack) riots against Lincoln in New York? After a point, one realizes that it's a waste of time asking him questions of this sort. It would be too much like taking him seriously. He'll just try anything once and see if it floats or flies or gets a cheer.


Trying to talk congressmen into sending their sons to war

Indeed, Moore's affected and ostentatious concern for black America is one of the most suspect ingredients of his pitch package. In a recent interview, he yelled that if the hijacked civilians of 9/11 had been black, they would have fought back, unlike the stupid and presumably cowardly white men and women (and children). Never mind for now how many black passengers were on those planes—we happen to know what Moore does not care to mention: that Todd Beamer and a few of his co-passengers, shouting "Let's roll," rammed the hijackers with a trolley, fought them tooth and nail, and helped bring down a United Airlines plane, in Pennsylvania, that was speeding toward either the White House or the Capitol. There are no words for real, impromptu bravery like that, which helped save our republic from worse than actually befell. The Pennsylvania drama also reminds one of the self-evident fact that this war is not fought only "overseas" or in uniform, but is being brought to our cities. Yet Moore is a silly and shady man who does not recognize courage of any sort even when he sees it because he cannot summon it in himself. To him, easy applause, in front of credulous audiences, is everything.

Moore has announced that he won't even appear on TV shows where he might face hostile questioning. I notice from the New York Times of June 20 that he has pompously established a rapid response team, and a fact-checking staff, and some tough lawyers, to bulwark himself against attack. He'll sue, Moore says, if anyone insults him or his pet. Some right-wing hack groups, I gather, are planning to bring pressure on their local movie theaters to drop the film. How dumb or thuggish do you have to be in order to counter one form of stupidity and cowardice with another? By all means go and see this terrible film, and take your friends, and if the fools in the audience strike up one cry, in favor of surrender or defeat, feel free to join in the conversation.

However, I think we can agree that the film is so flat-out phony that "fact-checking" is beside the point. And as for the scary lawyers—get a life, or maybe see me in court. But I offer this, to Moore and to his rapid response rabble. Any time, Michael my boy. Let's redo Telluride. Any show. Any place. Any platform. Let's see what you're made of.

Some people soothingly say that one should relax about all this. It's only a movie. No biggie. It's no worse than the tomfoolery of Oliver Stone. It's kick-ass entertainment. It might even help get out "the youth vote." Yeah, well, I have myself written and presented about a dozen low-budget made-for-TV documentaries, on subjects as various as Mother Teresa and Bill Clinton and the Cyprus crisis, and I also helped produce a slightly more polished one on Henry Kissinger that was shown in movie theaters. So I know, thanks, before you tell me, that a documentary must have a "POV" or point of view and that it must also impose a narrative line. But if you leave out absolutely everything that might give your "narrative" a problem and throw in any old rubbish that might support it, and you don't even care that one bit of that rubbish flatly contradicts the next bit, and you give no chance to those who might differ, then you have betrayed your craft. If you flatter and fawn upon your potential audience, I might add, you are patronizing them and insulting them. By the same token, if I write an article and I quote somebody and for space reasons put in an ellipsis like this (…), I swear on my children that I am not leaving out anything that, if quoted in full, would alter the original meaning or its significance. Those who violate this pact with readers or viewers are to be despised. At no point does Michael Moore make the smallest effort to be objective. At no moment does he pass up the chance of a cheap sneer or a jeer. He pitilessly focuses his camera, for minutes after he should have turned it off, on a distraught and bereaved mother whose grief we have already shared. (But then, this is the guy who thought it so clever and amusing to catch Charlton Heston, in Bowling for Columbine, at the onset of his senile dementia.) Such courage.

Perhaps vaguely aware that his movie so completely lacks gravitas, Moore concludes with a sonorous reading of some words from George Orwell. The words are taken from 1984 and consist of a third-person analysis of a hypothetical, endless, and contrived war between three superpowers. The clear intention, as clumsily excerpted like this (...) is to suggest that there is no moral distinction between the United States, the Taliban, and the Baath Party and that the war against jihad is about nothing. If Moore had studied a bit more, or at all, he could have read Orwell really saying, and in his own voice, the following:

The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …

And that's just from Orwell's Notes on Nationalism in May 1945. A short word of advice: In general, it's highly unwise to quote Orwell if you are already way out of your depth on the question of moral equivalence. It's also incautious to remind people of Orwell if you are engaged in a sophomoric celluloid rewriting of recent history.

If Michael Moore had had his way, Slobodan Milosevic would still be the big man in a starved and tyrannical Serbia. Bosnia and Kosovo would have been cleansed and annexed. If Michael Moore had been listened to, Afghanistan would still be under Taliban rule, and Kuwait would have remained part of Iraq. And Iraq itself would still be the personal property of a psychopathic crime family, bargaining covertly with the slave state of North Korea for WMD. You might hope that a retrospective awareness of this kind would induce a little modesty. To the contrary, it is employed to pump air into one of the great sagging blimps of our sorry, mediocre, celeb-rotten culture. Rock the vote, indeed.
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posted October 13, 2004 01:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can agree with some of things that Christopher Hitchens eludes to in this article. I think you have to maintain an equal balance between conservatism and liberalism. You cannot go too far to the left or right and that seems to be happening to both groups in this country today. If both groups could maintain that balance and work together with only the motivation of what is best for the U.S. and the rest of the world in mind instead of operating from what is best for the promotion of their own agendas it would indeed be a much better world. It would not be the country divided it now is with both groups fighting each other for their own agendas. For what Christopher Hitchens accuses Michael Moore of in his article the conservative right is equally as guilty. If not worse at times.

Michael Moore is not the ogre the conservative right paint him out to be. What he actually is is a citizen watchdog. His intention is use the position he has to keep Americans informed of what our government and corporations ( which are actually the same thing) are really doing in spite of the propaganda we are blasted with all the time in the media. He began his rise here in Michigan in Flint, his hometown, after General Motors screwed so many workers out of a job and closed down the Flint auto plants which was the livilihood of the city. He made a documentary exposing the real facts behind that move by GM. The film was a huge success and put a lot of pressure on GM. He also did a film about the Columbine school shooting and a small child shot and killed by one of her classmates in the classroom a couple of years ago in Flint. The film was aimed at the NRA and their campaign to keep guns accessable for everyone in spite of all the deaths and increased shootings we are seeing in our schools.

That such a film as "Farenheit 9/11" was made is because Bush and his administration, instead of being honest and direct with the American people regarding the questions asked after 9/11, and instead of fully cooperating with the 9/11 commission looking into those questions, attempted to block that commission's report and all along did not cooperate with the commission by coming forth with requested documents. Bush's secretiveness, his attitude that he just rules over the American people and does not have to answer to us or anyone else is the reason that Michael Moore made that film. It's the reason that the majority of Americans, those whose minds and eyes and not clouded by Bush mantras and propaganda, do not trust the findings of the 9/11 commission. This president did not want that commission and in so many other instances has attempted to block the press from printing the truth. He rules ( and rule is the proper word for his administration not govern as it should be) by the use of intimidation and fear.

You can trace all those who put out films and information that support Bush back to some organization that has ties with the Religious Right or corporations that either Bush or members of his administration have interests in. For instance David W.Balsiger who produced that film about the faith life of Bush through his company Grizzly Adams productions is a member of the Religious Right with ties to Jerry Farwell and Pat Robinson. He belongs to a relgious right organization called Council for National Policy who hold secret meetings with prominent speakers with White House ties. Members take an oath never to speak about what is said at their secret meetings. They are based in Wash. D.C but hold their meetings in different cities and states and swear to never let the press know where they are meeting. The CNP's agenda ( and you can find this out yourself by visiting their website) is to create a Theocracy in the U.S. A Christian government. Halo! The enemy we are fighting, the terrorists, cannot separate their religious beliefs from government and that is what is causing all the trouble in the Middle East. Different religious factions with different beliefs and trying to force their beliefs on everyone else. Yet these people want the same thing in this country. They do not want a Democracy yet call themselves patriots.

If anything Michael Moore and the logical minded, non-brainwashed American citizens are fighting to keep that Democracy and they are fighting to keep our Constitution. If we do not trust Bush and his administration or the propaganda it puts out it is only his own fault for the way he has conducted himself as President. If he were open and honest and answered to the people of this country - all the people and not just those that promote his agendas- as it is should be for a U.S. President the film that Michael Moore made would never have been made. We are not paranoid. We just don't trust this administration and with very good reason.

We need more government watchdogs like Michael Moore because the Bush administration and corporate owned news media simply are too cowardly to do their job of printing the truth and both sides of the story. The brave journalists are being persecuted for doing their jobs. See http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/opinion/10sulzberger.html?pagewanted=1&th as a good case in point.

It seems to me that if the conservative right are so sure they are right and everyone who questions them are wrong they would not get so upset by anyone who disagrees with them or who simply wants to present both sides of the issues and their viewpoints. It seems to me there is a lack of tolerance on the part of the conservative right for any opinion or view that opposes theirs and that is never so clear as it is on the part of G W Bush. You can see it on his face in the debates. Kerry ****** him off every time simply by giving a different view on the issues and pointing out where he has been remiss in his duties as President. Yet that is what election campaigns have always been about. The smear campaign the Republicans have waged against Kerry is futher evidence that they seek to destroy anyone who opposes them. Just as they are seeking to silence and destroy Michael Moore.


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posted October 13, 2004 01:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think you have to maintain an equal balance between conservatism and liberalism. You cannot go too far to the left or right and that seems to be happening to both groups in this country today. If both groups could maintain that balance and work together with only the motivation of what is best for the U.S. and the rest of the world in mind instead of operating from what is best for the promotion of their own agendas it would indeed be a much better world.


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We need more government watchdogs like Michael Moore because the Bush administration and corporate owned news media simply are too cowardly to do their job of printing the truth and both sides of the story

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The smear campaign the Republicans have waged against Kerry is futher evidence that they seek to destroy anyone who opposes them. Just as they are seeking to silence and destroy Michael Moore.

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posted October 13, 2004 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You cannot possibly agree with Christopher Hitchins and still maintain Michael Moore's movie is anything but pure propaganda Mirandee and a brain dead brand of propaganda at that.

Nice try Mirandee but Kerry doesn't need to be smeared by Republicans. It's not a smear to lay the Kerry record of the last 30 years out in detail for American voters to see.

The problem is that people like you refuse to see that record, bury your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge it even exists....or worse, agree with Kerry's betrayal of America with every enemy he could find, his quest to raise taxes at every opportunity, cut every weapons system from the US arsenal and strip bare the intelligence budgets.

Balance that!

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posted October 13, 2004 11:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"FahrenHYPE 9/11 is a direct-to-DVD attack on Fahrenheit 9/11 to be released October 5, 2004. It has been heavily advertised on right-wing weblogs."

Yes, but then Farenheit 9/11 was just as direct of an attack of the opposite sort, so this comes as no surprise.

Personally, my only issue with "FarenHYPE" is that if I see it, I would feel forced to then go see "Farenheit 9/11" as a balance of sorts and I do not wish to add to the already overflowing coffers of an individual who promotes an ideology that I am not in agreement with. Consider the NRA or any other group. If you don't agree with the positions of a particular individual or organization, why support them in any way? Interesting development though....

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posted October 14, 2004 01:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't say I agreed with Christopher Hitchins, Jwhop.

I said I agree with some things he said. Or at least in my perception seemed to be eluding to in his article.

Just wanted to clarify that so I didn't lose my liberal label or standing in your eyes.

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