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lalalinda
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posted October 21, 2004 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop,
I love you but this is getting ridiculous.
Its ok to disagree with someones opinion, but the insults are a little too much. You forget that Mrs. Clinton is not running this country. Lets take some responsibility here. And as for Mirandee shes got some good valid points. Shes not just throwing it out there shes backing it up. Please lets play fair.

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Mirandee
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posted October 21, 2004 02:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, I dismiss anything that Newsmax prints even when it is based on an article from the Post and Times because that is what it is...loosely based on a legitimate story which Newsmax writers then twist around and interpret to mean what they want it to mean. In other words they spin the truth so much it makes the reader dizzy and ends up being a lie rather than the truth orginally reported.

You didn't say where you got that article about the protesting and preventing the theatre to not show the anti-Kerry film. My opinion is that, if fact the story is true, and people were paying admission to see that film to prevent that from happening would be wrong of the DNC and Kerry supporters because it would amount to an infringement of the First Amendment of the right to freedom of speech. I don't see that any different than the Republicans and the RNC doing the same thing to Michael Moore or John Kerry and their films. The only objection to Sinclair Broadcasting was the WAY they were going about showing the film on free air waves. Your sources please????

miss_apple I respect what you said about fairness and agree with it. It would be nice if we could "fix" the problem but alas we can't. It was Bush and the RNC who set the tone of this campaign and who work constantly to separate and divide people. It has been the whole tone of the policy of the Bush administration to separate and divide peoples. So only Bush can fix it.

It is not my intention to blame anyone but instead to get both sides heard. I think that is the intention of other Kerry supporters here on this forum too and I know it is the intention of the DNC and Kerry because from the beginning of the campaign the media was not presenting Kerry's position on the issues. The proof of that is many of you have said on this forum that you did not know where Kerry stood on the issues. Yet he was telling everyone. You didn't know because you weren't hearing it in the media. The DNC and Kerry have had to fight to be heard and once again, that is due to the policies of the Bush admission and their intimidation on the news media. Right now what John Ashcroft is doing amounts to a witch hunt of any reporter who dares to print the truth. Using his power as head of the Justice Dept. to do it.

Probably if you look for it the truth can found somewhere in the middle of what both sides are saying.

Jwhop I'm not out to silence the conservative right. I am out to stop them from silencing us. As are the news reporters and broadcasters being fired, harrassed and imprisoned in their attempt to have both sides heard and for exercising their duty as members of a free press who are charged as watchdogs for the American public to keep the government honest. Those are the reporters that are stuck in the back of the room at any press conference Bush gives and who are not allowed to ask him the hard questions or for him to explain his actions.

If Newsmax were fair and unbiased and printed both sides of the story I would be more apt to believe them. But they are partisan and biased and have printed speculations and just plain untruths. They amount to nothing more than Bush's propaganda source as does Fox News. The owner of Fox is Rupert Murdoch and he is not even an American. He is Australian and either has no knowledge of what is contained in the Constitution of the U.S. or he plain doesn't care. But I do resent that someone who is not even an American citizen is presenting stories and biased news that effects the future of this country. Nope. Rupert Murdoch does not care about democracy or this country. He only cares for his own agenda and making money and gaining power.

Bush and his administration are all corporate people. They operate this country on the corporate philosophy of take over and crush the opposition. They operate in the world the same way. Divide and conquer. They set the tone so only they can fix it and they are not going to do that because it would not serve THEM to do so.

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Mirandee
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posted October 21, 2004 02:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You need to get it firmly fixed in your mind that the US government is composed of 3 coequal branches.

Yes, but to govern, jwhop. Not to RULE. And you forget that the press is supposed to operate as the "fourth" branch by keeping tabs on what the other three are doing and report it to the American public so we know the truth and know what our government is doing. They are the "fourth estate." The branch that Bush wants to silence.

Besides Bush does not acknowledge that the branches of government are "coequal." He either does not tell Congress the facts or he has lied to them regarding the facts. In fact, Bush does not even acknowledge the American public or have any regard for what our opinions may be on his policies. Instead he labels us and dismisses us. We only hear from him when he wants our votes. I am not just slandering Bush when I say this. We all KNOW it. Not even acknowleding the American people who in all normal cases ( barring what happened in the 2000 election) would elect him as leader amounts to a President who wants to RULE not GOVERN. He pretty much is telling us to "just vote for me and then shut up."

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jwhop
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posted October 21, 2004 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well triple L, I hope that's true love you're talking about and not just a flash in the pan.

Hmmm, you talk about Hillary not running the country.....now, but neglect to mention it was Hillary who set the current vaccination programs in motion when SHE WAS essentially running interference for nationalizing health care in America during the Clintonista regime in Washington.

So, LLL, exactly what is your position on the vaccine problem, how is it fixed, and how did Bush drop the ball as Kerry's incessant lies assert. Or, conversely, what is Kerry's fix, now that the British company dropped a bombshell into the mix?

Do you suggest Bush is responsible for contamination of the British vaccine stocks?

Should Bush have stationed an American inspection team to sample each and every batch of vaccine that company produced?

Should Bush have stationed an American inspection team at every lab worldwide to sample the medications at all companies who produce vaccines or other medications for the American market?

Do you suggest Bush has altered in any way the vaccine purchase program that was in force during the Clintonista regime?

Lastly, some idiot writing a piece in a newspaper doesn't make what he/she said true. But even if everything this twit said is true, what possible correlation could be made with Bush being in any way responsible for insufficient vaccine stocks?

That company was producing a vaccine approved by the FDA, through the regular regulatory process...in effect long before Bush became President.

Bush has long advocated a shortened and less expensive FDA approval process, a shorter time for medical patents to expire so more generic brand drugs could be brought to market...to hold down prescription prices and some form of legal liability relief for companies which produce vital vaccines and other medications.

John Kerry and the dimocrats have voted against each and every provision the President has put forth to bring down costs and open up additional manufactures of needed vaccines and prescription drugs. John Kerry, John Edwards and Hillary Clinton have voted with the trial lawyers at every opportunity and it's the trial lawyers who are the main opponents of Bush's initiatives.

I think what I've said is a fair and accurate appraisal of what happened, how it happened and why we are going to be short of the required flu vaccine this year and not only this year but any year where there is not operating perfection in the system that was set up long before Bush became Prez.

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