posted October 27, 2004 12:47 PM              

The TRUE dishonor was when a rich, spoiled, young man, who's very influenticl daddy helped to keep him out of VietNam by getting him in the National Guard (which he didn't even have the gonads to serve honorably).

Yes that is where the true dishonor is....

posted October 27, 2004 01:01 PM            

Of course, you have some proof of that, now don't you?

The records say otherwise.

The records show Bush was a recent grad of Yale, fully qualified academically and physically for duty in the Texas Air National Guard. It further shows the Air Guard was happy to have him.

It goes on to show the person who said he had helped Bush into the Air Guard didn't and couldn't have. He did NOT become Lt. Governor of Texas until a year and a half AFTER Bush enlisted.

posted October 27, 2004 02:34 PM            

Now, Kerry is hiding his own service records by refusing to waive his right to privacy, the same right to privacy the press and Kerry along with his supporters insisted Bush waive.

Not buying it. Kerry needs to show why his discharge was 6 years late in being issued and why it took a Presidential decree and a panel of officers to be convened to grant him an honorable discharge.

This is not a minor matter for a man who wants to be Commander in Chief of United States military forces.

It's also potentially a major character issue that needs to be resolved prior to the election.

posted October 27, 2004 07:26 PM              

People, though jwhop has a hard time dealing with reality, and will not accept any proof to the contrary of what he wants to believe, the TRUTH is that Kerry has released all of his records and even the Pentagon went over them and they have been approved. The TRUTH is that the only people that Kerry refused to sign a DD-186 form to release his records to was the Swift Boat Veterans who were paid by a wealthy supporter and Texas friend of Bush's to make the accusations against his leadership in an ad shown all over the country. Now why should he have to release his records to that group? It would be like Bush signing a DD-186 release form for Michael Moore.

The TRUTH is, and you can all go back and look it up in newspaper archives if you care to, that Bush had to be subpeoned to sign a form releasing his records. When those records were released there was a whole year unaccountable for.

We have been over this on another thread of jwhops promoting a conspiracy theory that is also all over the internet that the years on his records which they felt had a discrepancy meant that Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Which he wasn't. They invented a myth which they are passing around the internet. They have absolutely no proof to verify their allegations. The only reason that myth was created in the first place is because Bush had a missing year that the press was questioning. Turns out that when he became governor of Texas he had those records of his service destroyed.

You can really tell the Republicans are very worried about the election next week just from all the crap they are pulling this week. So now jwhop drags up his conspiracy theory again when he just recently had a post about this.

I am so sick and tired of all the mudslinging. This election campaign has just stunk to high heaven with it. The reason we Kerry supporters keep posting things in here about Bush is to try and counteract jwhops lies with truth and also to point out that everything he accuses Kerry of doing Bush has done either the same or much, much worse.

posted October 28, 2004 01:51 AM            

Article 3, Section 3

Section. 3.
Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

And since I've shown you that Kerry violated his oath as an officer of the US and gave aid and comfort to America's enemy, which disqualifies Kerry from ever holding office in the United States.

Fourteenth Amendment
Section. 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

And since I've shown you that Kerry's (1)discharge is dated 6 years after it should have been, 1978 instead of 1972. And his (2)enlistment agreement was dated 1966 showing his enlistment was to expire in 1972. And since Kerry's (3)discharge was a result of a directed order to convene a panel of officers, making reference to the President of the United States and makes reference to Title 10, U.S. Code sections 1162 and 1163.
1 http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/accptdisnavresrv.pdf
2 http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/enlistcont.pdf
3 http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/hondisres.pdf

And since Kerry's DD-214 makes reference to an entry 13b and says a discharge certificate was not issued at time of separation.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/dd214.pdf

And since Kerry's service record was prepared by an officer of JAG, Judge Advocate Generals office, which is the branch that handles both prosecutions and defenses of military personnel. And since this officer reports himself as being from the Office of legal Counsel.
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/servicercrd.pdf

And since all this was found on the FindLaw site you posted and is beyond dispute.

And since Kerry admits he met with negotiators from both the Communist Viet Cong and Communist North Vietnam, both enemies of the United States at the time of those meetings.

And since Kerry attempted to push the enemy's peace proposal in the United States, taking their negotiating positions...including a position that did not call for release of US prisoners of war held by North Vietnam but did call for reparations to be paid to Communist North Vietnam. And since Kerry was at that time, an Officer in the United States Naval Reserve and was not authorized to negotiate for the United States and the Uniform Code of Military Justice forbids collaborating with the enemy. And since that is exactly what John Kerry did, and further, those meetings were in violation of US law as well.

And since Kerry, while an Officer of the United States Naval Reserve, denounced the United States and the United States military services and the military personnel within the military services.

For all those reasons and more, it is not possible for you to declare I am posting information I know is not true about John Kerry. Factually, it is impossible for you to not know that John Kerry's actions are the very definition of treason.

Since all that is true, there are only 2 possibilities.

One, you are totally incapable of understanding what you read.

Or

Two, you really don't give a damn what Kerry is or what he's done and perhaps agree with his treasonous behavior.

There doesn't seem to be anything in between.