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LibraSparkle
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posted November 10, 2004 10:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Couldn't decide between here and H&H, so I guess I'll put it in both.


November 10, 2004

`Right-to-die' law faces new siege
By Tim Christie
The Register-Guard

As U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft is announcing he'll leave office, he's taking one last shot at the Oregon law that permits doctors to help terminally ill patients kill themselves.

Shortly before Ashcroft's resignation was announced Tuesday, his office asked the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn Oregon's groundbreaking doctor-assisted suicide law.

The request for review had been expected since May, when the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Ashcroft overstepped his authority when he tried, in November 2001, to hobble the only law of its kind in the nation.

Defenders of the law said Tuesday it's unlikely the high court will agree to hear the case, while an opponent expressed hope the justices would take it up.

Since voters approved the Death with Dignity Act in 1998, 171 terminally Oregonians have killed themselves with legally prescribed drugs. Most had cancer. The law lets patients with less than six months to live request a lethal dose of drugs after two doctors confirm the diagnosis and determine the person's mental competence to make the request.

While not as prominent as abortion, the issue is an important one for conservative Christians who helped President Bush win a second term last week. The government waited until Tuesday, the final day possible, to file paperwork at the high court.

Paul Clement, acting solicitor general, said in the appeal that the law conflicts with the federal government's powers. The attorney general's conclusion that doctors should not be allowed to treat patients with lethal doses of drugs ``is the position maintained by 49 states, the federal government and leading associations of the medical profession," he told justices.

The Supreme Court probably will decide early next year whether it will review the case. The court has been hearing cases now with eight members, because Chief Justice William Rehnquist is under treatment for thyroid cancer.

The case stems from a directive Ashcroft issued in November 2001 that attempted to stifle Oregon's controversial law. Ashcroft said doctor-assisted suicide was not a "legitimate medical practice" under federal drug laws, and he authorized federal drug agents to investigate and revoke the drug licenses of doctors who participated in the law.

The state of Oregon immediately sued Ashcroft, and in April 2002, U.S. District Judge Robert Jones in Portland ruled Ashcroft overstepped his authority.

"To allow an attorney general - an appointed executive whose tenure depends entirely on whatever administration occupies the White House - to determine the legitimacy of a particular medical practice without a specific congressional grant of such authority would be unprecedented and extraordinary," Jones ruled.

Last May, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Jones' decision. Ashcroft's "unilateral attempt to regulate general medical practices historically entrusted to state lawmakers interferes with the democratic debate about physician-assisted suicide and far exceeds the scope of his authority under federal law," Judge Richard Tallman wrote in the appeals court's opinion.

Tallman relied on a states' rights opinion from the Supreme Court in the case of Gregory vs. Ashcroft. In that case, then-Missouri Gov. Ashcroft won the right to force state judges to retire at age 70, despite a federal law that frowns upon mandatory retirement policies. The high court, agreeing with Ashcroft, said such matters are entrusted to the states.

On Tuesday, Ashcroft asked the Supreme Court to reverse Tallman's opinion, which he faulted for ``misconstruing and dramatically expanding the scope of this court's decision in Gregory vs. Ashcroft.''

The high court has dealt with right-to-die cases before. Justices held in 1997 that while Americans have no constitutional right to assisted suicide, states may decide the issue for themselves. And in 1990, the court ruled that terminally ill people can refuse life-sustaining medical treatment.

Rehnquist wrote both opinions. In the 1997 ruling, he said the idea of having someone help end another's life conflicts with "our nation's history, legal traditions and practices."

Another conservative justice offered a clue to his thinking when he spoke in 2002 at Lewis & Clark College in Portland.

Justice Antonin Scalia told students he believes the issue is one of state's rights, and should not become part of a constitutional battle, according to published reports at the time.

"You want the right to die," Scalia said. "The Constitution said nothing about it."

After Scalia's comment, a woman in the audience called out, "We did that twice."

"That's right and that's fine," Scalia responded. "You don't hear me complaining about Oregon's law."

Kathryn Tucker, legal director for Compassion in Dying, said it's unlikely the Supreme Court will agree to hear Oregon vs. Ashcroft for several reasons.

First, she said, both Jones' and the 9th Circuit's rulings were narrowly drawn interpretations of federal law, supported by legislative history, that did not raise constitutional issues.

Second, she said, in its 1997 rulings, "What the court said was, `We want the states to go out front on this. We are not going to decide there is a federal constitutional right to make this choice. We are going to let one state grapple with this issue and let the other states watch and learn.' "

Kevin Neely, spokesman for Oregon Attorney General Hardy Myers, likewise expects the Supreme Court to pass on hearing the Oregon case.

"The issues are largely statutory, not constitutional," he said. "There is virtually no question as to whether or not states have authority to establish medical practices, and the answer is yes."

But Dr. Gregory Hamilton, spokesman for the Portland-based Physicians for Compassionate Care, which has supported Ashcroft's efforts, is hopeful the Supreme Court would agree to hear the case.

"No state can unilaterally exempt themselves from federal law," he said. "That's an important principle that needs to be upheld here."

U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said he is "extremely disappointed" Ashcroft has gone to the Supreme Court. "I certainly plan to look into how many taxpayer dollars Mr. Ashcroft has wasted in his attempt to disenfranchise Oregon voters," he said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

DOCTOR-ASSISTED SUICIDE

For more information on the Web, go to:

The Justice Department's petition and appendix are available at: wid.ap.org/documents/scotus/041109ashcroft.pdf

Compassion in Dying, which supports assisted suicide: compassionindying.org

Physicians for Compassionate Care, which opposes assisted suicide: www.pccef.org

http://www.registerguard.com/cgi-bin/printStory.py

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jwhop
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posted November 10, 2004 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Do thy patient "no harm", the supposed mantra of the medical profession.

Dr. Death is in prison for doing his patients harm....furnishing them the means to kill themselves, without directly intervening personally.

The day physicians switch their allegiance to death instead of life is the day they are no longer to be trusted. Some of them have already crossed that line.

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 11, 2004 01:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop,

Are you against assisted suicide?

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posted November 11, 2004 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely and positively against physician assisted suicide!

If someone wants to self destruct, let them do it themselves and leave the medical profession out of it.

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 11, 2004 02:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fair enough.

Happy Veteran's Day, BTW

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posted November 11, 2004 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thanks LS

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OKANGEL
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posted November 11, 2004 05:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you ever worked in a hospital or had a parent, grandparent or any one close to you, on their death bed? So sick and hurting so bad that they were begging to die, but just lingered on, lying on their death bed for days or months suffering? I have worked in hospitals for several years and have many tear jerking stories to share about this very subject. There are doctors who do assist terminally ill patients with their deaths, legal or not. Those doctors are the ones with big hearts.

In memory of Betty!
I'll never forget!
Kim

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scorpbaby
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posted November 11, 2004 05:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Okangel~
I completely agree with you. I'm taking a course in school on the Sociology of Aging and Death and have learned about similar experiences where patients are on their death beds in pain and suffering. And I've learned that many play around with the idea of suicide at that time. My mom is also a nurse and has told me similar stories of her experience with critically ill patients.

I don't see any inhumanity in this practice at all. By condemning this practice, it seems like the idea of death is being condemned and looked down upon. But death is an inevitable part of Life that needs to be accepted somehow. It's the process of death that is ugly not death itself. If a patient is already facing death in a slow battle they should'nt have to endure such pain if it's against their will.
Scorpbaby

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 11, 2004 06:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems in this instance that we are more humane to our beloved animals than we are to our beloved people.

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TINK
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posted November 11, 2004 06:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On paper I am very much against physician assisted suicide too.

My mother had a burst brain aneurysm last year. Unfortunately, she was alone at the time and not found for another 2 or 3 hours after the fact. By then it's pretty much a lost cause. She was brought into the hospital unconscious, slipped into a coma and then suffered at least 3 strokes. Brain hemorrhaged out of the cavity, etc. To make a long, extremly painful story short, my sister and I made the difficult decision to take her off life support. Of course the doctors told us they were perfectly capable of keeping her "alive". And maybe she would even come out of the coma someday but, because of the severe brain damage, she would be what we commonly refer to as a "vegetable".

I don't know if this would be considered a classic case of assisted suicide. But it's close and if one is made illegal it's a short step to the other. My point is not just to tell an ugly story or fish around for sympathy. My point is to remind all of us that this is not just a theoretical debate. It effects real people. Thank God the government allowed me to do what I did. If I answer for it, and I very well may, I will do so willingly to my God. But I refuse to explain myself to Ashcroft.

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 11, 2004 06:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those seeking assisted suicide in Oregon have to be diagnosed by two different doctors with 6 months or less to live due to a life threatening illness.

Furthermore, they have to be in their right mind. A person in a coma does not fit the bill.

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OKANGEL
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posted November 11, 2004 06:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tink, sorry to hear about your mother and the decision you and your sister had to make. I'm sure your mom would have wanted it that way. God bless you.

Kim


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LibraSparkle
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posted November 11, 2004 06:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes... I forgot to add...

I cannot even fathom how difficult that would have been for you.

I'm very sorry you had to go through something that heart wrenching.

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scorpbaby
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posted November 11, 2004 06:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, sorry to hear about that Tink. My heart goes out to you

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TINK
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posted November 11, 2004 06:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
- Furthermore, they have to be in their right mind. A person in a coma does not fit the bill. -

Yes, LS, that is exactly my point.

thank you kim
thank you scorp

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 11, 2004 07:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duh. Of course that was your point.

Silly me.

Sorry.

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26taurus
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posted November 11, 2004 07:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tink,

Sorry to hear about that. My grandmother died the exact same way. She wasnt found until hours later either. We eventually decided it was best to let her go. She was a complete vegatable. It was very hard to do, but it was the best thing for her. I know how hard it is. You know she is in a better place now.

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iAmThat
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posted November 11, 2004 10:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why not?

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LibraSparkle
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posted November 11, 2004 11:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why not what?

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iAmThat
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posted November 12, 2004 07:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought if we could find reasons not-for right to die. Then we could think of reasons for.


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OKANGEL
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posted November 12, 2004 07:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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