posted November 19, 2004 01:11 PM              

Fascism works to divide because a united people cannot be controlled. Fox Network which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a billionaire who is an Australian and not even an American citizen and therefore has no concern with the future of this country, is the number one propaganda station for the Bush administration and their policies of "divide and conquer." It is the number one station watched by the neo-conservative Republicans of today as their station because they are paranoid and brainwashed into thinking that the mainline media is liberal and against them because they print and broadcast the truth about what is going on in this country and the war. Although many of the mainline media are knuckling under to the intimidation and pressure of the extreme right. They are corporate owned too and the only concern of corporations is profit.

This is just plain sick and those Americans that can see what is happening to this country are the ones who are bailing out and moving to other countries. Who can blame them? Who wants to raise their children in a society filled with hate and intolerance? Who wants to live in a society gone completely insane?

You can see the same things being repeated on these threads by those who watch Fox Network and read Newsmax propaganda material. They are brainwashed by this crap. The really sick thing is that they see those who disagree with this insanity as being the ones who are wrong and brainwashed. Wake up people before it is too late.

http://www.newshounds.us/2004/09/28/lying_us_into_a_war.php#more

"Lying Us Into a War"

Fox and Friends today (Sept. 28) featured a guest who painted Democrats or other Americans who oppose the war in Iraq as traitors in league with radical Islamists, and let his remarks stand with little attempt to press him about the right to dissent in a democracy.

David Horowitz was on Fox to discuss his book, Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left. Rather than challenge Horowitz, the Fox co-hosts fed him softball questions, as when Steve Doocy asked if Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter were part of the American left. Horowitz said they were and that their comments "were worse than incendiary, they're undermining the war on terror, undermining the credibility of the United States and the president. They're treacherous." My dictionary says "treacherous" means "traitorous" or "disloyal."

Horowitz then went on to validate his credentials to speak on the subject based solely on his personal experience (his parents were "card-carrying members of the American Communist Party") and he is a reformed anti-war activist from the 1960s.)

Having enjoyed freedom of speech when he wanted it, Horowitz then went on to attack those who would exercise the same freedom now. "There is legitimate criticism and then there is critism that begins to cross the line. And when you attack the commander in chief as a liar who is sending Americans to die for no reason, and you do this in the middle of a war, a war that we are winning and we must win, you have crossed the line," he said.

He also said that Fox in-house liberal Alan Colmes was an example of a good liberal because his stance was that, "It's perfectly fine for people to disagree with the decision to go to war, up to the point where our troops entered harm's way. And then he said, we now have to all band together, we're in a war." In other words, no criticism of how the war is being conducted, what peace terms should be, no criticism at all until the president decides the war should end.

Horowitz would have us believe that that is the traditional American way. It is not. Members of Abraham Lincoln's own party discussed dumping him from the top of the ticket in the middle of the Civil War. More recently, former Republican Congresswoman Clare Booth Luce's statements about President Roosevelt during the 1944 campaign mouthed another example of robust GOP criticism of the commander in chief in the middle of a war.

Luce, who became closely allied with the isolationist Republicans, called Roosevelt "the only American President that ever lied us into war." When Luce was trying to be confirmed to a diplomatic post in the Eisenhower administration, she backed off from her language and admitted it had been "most intemperate." Not treacherous, not disloyal, just "most intemperate." Even Democrats who criticized her comments during the confirmation hearings did so on the grounds that her blunt language disqualified her from diplomacy. They did not question her loyalty and Kelley was overwelmingly confirmed. (This incident, courtesy of Kitty Kelley, The Family, p. 148).

Horowitz went on to declare that critics of the Patriot Act such as the ACLU "are in bed with the terrorists" and that "we're taking a much too complacement attitude towards the enemy at home." Now, sticking up for your constitutional rights makes you "the enemy." A chilling statement.

Doocy also asked Horowitz what would happen if John Kerry were elected, feeding Horowitz another softball, which Horowitz hit out of the park. "It would vastly encourage the terrorist forces just because George Bush has been so strong against the Islamic radicals and they would interpret this as a repudication of the Bush war policy. So that, I think that it would be a disaster to have Kerry elected."

That's a lot to swallow in just a few short minutes, so let's recap: Democrats are traitors because they criticize the president for lying us into a war, which we don't do in this country unless you're a Republican attacking President Roosevelt at the height of World War II, but saying that a vote for Kerry is a vote for terrorism does not cross the line of legitimate criticism because he supports the constitution and people who do that are the enemy.

Chilling.

posted November 19, 2004 07:20 PM            

This is the classic example of someone that is a sheer coward in all repects, that wouldn't even know what it would be like to be out there! And if it doesn't kill you, then by golly, it sure hurts to look back upon! Most of these soldiers that are out there right now don't even have time to think about where they're at and believe me, they're afraid to, the last thing that they need is to have "it" all flooding in as they are both trying to put an end to the war(if you would like to look at it that way) and to survive in it, but it will all come back to them later down the road(and that is a battle all in it's self)! The war that I was in, at least I can say that it had a reason, this war doesn't have a reason! I see this war as more of the kind of crap that we pulled with the Central Americas, just that we are there fighting too, more against the citizens then the insurgents, go figure!

posted January 20, 2005 04:20 PM              

I SURE AS HELL DON'T. THAT'S WHY I AM LEAVING SOON.

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