posted December 07, 2004 03:27 PM            

The same can be said about you. In fact, there is a strong case in support of your tactless behaviour, your singling out / defaming people based on their astrological sign and your inability to behave as a proper human being.

I have tried to support you in various ways, thinking that you are just a young and immature Sagittarian suffering from a perpetual case of Hoof in Mouth(as a fellow Archer and obviously light years ahead on the evolutionary scale). I now see that you are really suffering from the above ailment along with a severe cranial rectal inversion.

posted December 07, 2004 07:18 PM              

Why do you have the right to tell someone to get stuffed, yet if someone says it to you they are delusional, egotistical, and closed minded?

We are all human here. We have all experienced life in so many different ways and have come away from those experiences with different viewpoints. I beleive that is what this forum is about - sharing our differing viewpoints as openly and honestly as possible. True, some people here may rub you the wrong way. They may really tick you off. But be assured that there will be people here who feel the same way about you. Try not to take it personally. Just remember that we are all imperfect human beings trying to find our way, together, which makes a lot of a heck more sense than going it alone.

Blessings to you

posted December 08, 2004 12:50 AM            

I could care less about your political views. In fact, if you had challenged jwhop to a debate or even challenged his beliefs I would have just sat back and said nothing. What I did do was point out that you 1) posted a thread to attack him- calling him out 2) offered no substance other than ANOTHER rude remark without basis.

You have this pattern and I am calling you on it. Now, I didn't make a thread calling you out did I? No, I merely stated it within this thread and pointed out what you did was a disappointing.

Sesame,

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. If I chose to point out something that seems inherently wrong in the way Blue attacks, then I will do so. It was not that the person could not follow my guidence, it was that he / she led this attack on a whole astrological group, caused people to leave and created an uproar in an attempt to be malicious. They he / she apologized but I see they are right back to the launching attack approach again.

posted December 08, 2004 01:39 AM              

Take it from me, you'll learn to love him.

posted December 08, 2004 03:22 AM              

When I disagree with someone and start to get mad I sit back and remind myself of that old saying "opinions are like noses and everybody has one." It really helps me to be able to accept that not everyone has to believe what I do.

BR, you have every right to post your opinion, and so does Jwhop. Just try not to take his posts as personal attacks.

posted December 08, 2004 04:05 PM            

While I am not queer..I am a minority of a very small population- mixed blood to be exact- Spanish / American Indian.

I do not believe in using my ethnicity as a crutch nor do I allow it to make me different.

Do I feel the pressure of a group? YEP..for years now the liberal party has told me that I am intellectually inferior which is why me and people like me need extra points on standardized tests or to get into college.

For years they have told me that I am not "as good" as others so I need to be given preferential treatment when it comes to work so that my employers can meet their quota.

For years I have been told I cannot make decisions on my own for my own welfare so that a party can compose legislation for affirmative action to help me get ahead.

I am not even going to go into the fact that I have a vagina so that means I need even more help from a certain political party to get my voice heard because having that genitalia predisposes me to not being as sufficient as say one with a penis...that is according to a certain political party.

What I do know, is that I have had to work harder to PROVE I am not stupid, that I did not get my job because of a quota or to make some lefties happy they pushed affirmative action down corporate/ educational America's throat.

posted December 08, 2004 07:37 PM            

The only thing I commented on was "You are a disappointment". Everything else was fine. I was merely saying this statement felt harsh. I know what BR said about geminis (I'm one) and prolly others, but see, that's his opinion. I dislike negativity and agression but so be it until they're booted. I was just saying that "I feel disappointed" sounds better than "You are one". Prolly better karma too. Anyhow, I just wanted to clear this up. I was in no way agreeing or supporting BR, just making a comment.

posted December 08, 2004 10:55 PM              

I hear ya girl! Took the words right out of my mouth!

Also I am a moderate, I dont really lean either way. In the few times I have voted, I mostly voted either independant or democrat actually (oh no jwhops gonna hate me now LOL!) However I belong to a tarot forum which I love, and most of the people there are liberal, and anytime I say anything that may lean a little to the right, some of them would immediatly jump down my throat. Someone on there even said once that if you are conservative and into tarot and spirituality you really need to re-think your look on things. I thought that was rude, nowhere in the unspoken rules of Tarot, occult, and spirituality does it say you HAVE to be left wing to be interested into those subjects.

My favorite author in the world, Doreen Virtue, I love her to death but in her books she basically says that unless you give up meat you will always be spiritually inferior.

posted December 08, 2004 11:25 PM              

All I have to say about this is...jwhop, you sure do effect people. I would dare say, you are a mover and a shaker. You express yourself so well, and you never waiver in your opinions. Love you or hate you, you are worthy of respect. Sometimes your not that nice, but it's *** for tat. Why other cannot see that, really is beyond me.

luv and stuff.

posted December 09, 2004 01:03 AM              

Considering that, for many years, women and people with darker skin were persistently discriminated against, and in many places still are, is it not possible that with affirmative action and anti-discrimination legislation liberals were trying only to counteract discrimination?

I am not, am not defending the aforementioned policies, and anyone who says I am wins the award for retard of the year. But I wonder that pid would be so adamant in condemning things that were intended only to counteract discrimination. Pid seemed determined to take it as condescension. I would venture to point out that things like affirmative action were originally championed (and still are) by the people who now benefit from them.

But I'm only a stupid white upper-middle class fag-liberal and obviously my opinion isn't worth peanuts.

posted December 09, 2004 01:45 AM            

My opinions of Affirmative action were formed well before my 18th birthday. I believe that there are groups that need to use emotional points, such as affirmative action in order to polarize people. They egg people into believing, falsely, that they need help based on their skin, race or gender. By doing that, they are actually further pushing people apart.

QoS,

You bring up some good points. I come from a family - my fathers- that had to work in the fields in order to put food on the table. My mom's peeps were poor farmers that made good. All of my father's siblings went onto to work hard, get college degrees and become successful (without Affirmative action). Their children, my cousins, felt that the white man owed them - and they deserved all the breaks..Funny, out of my dad's 12 brothers and sisters- all but one is successful -out of about 80 cousins -only 15 or so of us went on to get either good jobs or get into / graduate from college.

Too many times I see minorities feel that "we" are entitled. It is that sense of entitlement, which is blasted by these groups, that leads to their downfall. Why is it when a minority succeeds and retains a conservative stance we are called "traitors to our race" or "sell outs?"

Why is it I watched hispanic communities and high school kids NOT take home their school books because other people in the barrio called them "coconuts" or said they were trying to "act white". But then in the same breath they would say it was all because of the white man? One can't have it both ways.

Do I feel the white man owes me? No..I cannot change what happened so many years ago- but, I (we) can become successful and work to effect a change. Affirmative action does not stop the good ol'boys. Laws and People willing to put their necks out is what stops those people from ruling corporate and scholastic America. I worked for two very Liberal entities- would it surprise you to know that both 1) hated minorities and 2) made sure women never rose above a certain level - money and grade wise? One was a big liberal university and the other was a publically traded company in the very liberal state of Maryland.

Keep in mind, affirmative action and the quota system is what I am against, I am not against civil rights. There is a HUGE difference!!

LLL....

No baby..YOU are the bomb..Lots of love to you.