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Harpyr
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posted February 16, 2005 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Published on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 by the Los Angeles Times
What We Don't Know About 9/11 Hurts Us
by Robert Scheer

Would George W. Bush have been reelected president if the public understood how much responsibility his administration bears for allowing the 9/11 attacks to succeed?


The answer is unknowable and, at this date, moot. Yet it was appalling to learn last week that the White House suppressed until after the election a damning report that exposes the administration as woefully incompetent if not criminally negligent. Belatedly declassified excerpts from still-secret sections of the 9/11 commission report, which focus on the failure of the Federal Aviation Administration to heed multiple warnings that Al Qaeda terrorists were planning to hijack planes as suicide weapons, make clear that this tragedy could have been avoided.


For the last three years, administration apologists have tried to make the FAA the scapegoat for the 9/11 attacks. But it is the president who ultimately is responsible for national security, not a defanged agency that is beholden to the industry it allegedly monitors.


The terrible fact is that the administration took none of the steps that would have put the protection of human life ahead of a diverse set of economic and political interests, which included not offending our friends the Saudis and not hurting the share prices of airline corporations.


The warnings provided by intelligence agencies to the FAA were far clearer and more specific than suggested by Condoleezza Rice's testimony before the 9/11 commission when she reluctantly conceded the existence of a presidential briefing that warned of impending Al Qaeda attacks. Rice had dismissed those warnings as "historical," but according to the newly released section of the 9/11 report, an astonishing 52 of the 105 daily intelligence briefings received by the FAA -- and available to Rice -- before the Sept. 11 attacks made specific reference to Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.


Given this shocking record of indifference on the part of the administration, it is politically understandable that it tried to prevent the formation of the 9/11 commission in the first place, and then for five months prevented the declassification of key sections of the final report. Commission members, including its Republican chairman, Thomas Kean, stated in the past that there was no national security concern that justified keeping those sections of the report from the public.


And let's be clear: The failure to fully disclose what is known about the 9/11 tragedy is not some minor bureaucratic transgression. Not since the Soviets first detonated an atomic bomb more than half a century ago has a single event so affected decision-making in this country, yet the main questions as to how and why it happened remain mostly unanswered.


Even worse, what we do know calls into question our government's explanation that a diabolical international terrorist conspiracy exploited our liberal, naive society. What has emerged, instead, is a portrait of an often bumbling terrorist gang allowed to wreak havoc because the top tiers of the administration were so indifferent to the alarms, which former CIA Director George Tenet described so graphically: "The system was blinking red."


Had the business-friendly administration put safety first and ordered a full complement of air marshals into the air, over the obscene objections of airlines loath to give up paid seats, nearly 3,000 people might not have died that day. And had the president of the United States taken some time from his epic ranch vacation that August to order a nationwide airport alert, two bloody wars abroad, as well as an all-out assault on civil liberties in this country, probably would not have happened.


Instead, an administration that resisted spending the tens of millions required to fortify airline security before 9/11 is nearing the $300-billion mark on Afghanistan and Iraq. And declassified documents have unmistakably said the latter had nothing to do with 9/11. Meanwhile, those countries that at least indirectly did, most notably "allies" Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, have been let off the hook.


Indeed, the 9/11 commission was not allowed to get near that story: It is an unnoticed but startling truth that the basic narrative on the tragedy derives from the interrogations of key detainees whom the 9/11 commissioners were not allowed to interview. Nor were they permitted to even take testimony from the U.S. intelligence personnel who interrogated those prisoners.


When the truth and governmental transparency are arbitrarily trumped by the invocation of national security, the public is simply incapable of making informed decisions on the most crucial decisions we face -- starting with whom we elect as our commander in chief.

Robert Scheer has taught courses at Antioch College in San Francisco, New York City College, UC Irvine, UCLA and UC Berkeley. He is now a Senior Lecturer at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School for Communication, where he teaches a course on media and society.

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Mystic Dreamz
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posted February 16, 2005 09:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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ozonefiller
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posted February 16, 2005 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's some webpages that you might like Harpyr!

If you think that you have ever known it all about 9/11 and all the little deficiencies have that acquired therein to what we find out now, all this is are just basic articals that have been collected that even trace back as far as Sept,11 1941!

No opinions placed in there, just facts about all the events that are making and/or made news to even now to this very day!

You might as well go to the "2005" page first, to see exactly the relation to the articals of what you've just posted, but this whole sight is really something to behold, that I find very interesting and undisputedly admire!

There's also hyperlinks under each and every artical of the subject of 9/11 on the webpages, so that JW can find all the "sources" to it!

Read'em and weap!

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jwhop
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posted February 17, 2005 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert Scheer, ever the Clinton apologist. Perhaps someone should tell Scheer that Clinton is gone from the White House and the truth can be told about Bill now. Since it's apparent Scheer will not, I will.

These are the events leading up to the 9/11 attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon along with the causes.

In February 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed and Clinton did not respond against terrorists and terrorism, rather, Clinton treated the terrorist bombing as a law enforcement matter, even though "foreign radical Islamic fundamentalist terrorists" were involved and prosecuted.

In October 1993, 18 American troops were killed in a firefight in Somalia with an American soldier's body dragged through the streets of Mogadishu. Prior to that incident, the military commander requested armor to complete the Clinton issued escalating mission of finding and capturing the Islamic terrorist Mohammed Farrah Aidid. Clinton refused the means for the military to carry out the mission Clinton had issued. Clinton's response to the attack was to pull American military forces out of Somalia. Later, bin Laden would say the US military is a paper tiger but it was and is Clinton who is the weak sister.

In November 1995, five Americans were killed and 30 wounded by a car bomb in Saudi Arabia set by Muslim extremists. Clinton did not respond yet again.

In June 1996, a U.S. Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia was bombed by Muslim extremists. Clinton's response was to send the FBI into Saudi Arabia to investigate this "law enforcement matter".

On Aug. 7, 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists. Clinton fired off a few cruise missiles at empty terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and a pill plant in Sudan, got Monica off the front pages of the nations newspapers and off the evening news. Then Clinton declared victory.

In October 2000, our warship, the USS Cole, was attacked by Muslim extremists. No response from Clinton

Prior to leaving office, Clinton pardoned terrorists from Puerto Rico who had committed murder in New York.

In the whole 8 years of the Clinton Administration, there was nothing done that would indicate to terrorists that America would respond effectively and forcibly against terrorism and terrorist attacks against America at home or abroad.

Against that backdrop of terrorist attacks at home and abroad, Clinton reduced American military forces. Clinton reduced American military forces by more than 500,000 troops. Clinton cut 4 active divisions from the regular army and 2 divisions from the reserves. Clinton cut the Air Force personnel by nearly 30%. Clinton cut 22,000 troops out of the US Marines. Clinton cut the United States Navy from 393 ships down to 316 with attendant cuts in Naval Personnel. Clinton cut about $50 Billion from the military budgets. There was nothing secret about these drastic cuts in military force levels or military spending, nor was it any secret from America's enemies, including bin Laden. Clinton was setting about making the United States military into the paper tiger bin Laden said it was.

In Feb 1995, Osama bin Laden was named in an indictment as an un-indicted co-conspirator, in the first bombing of the World Trade Center.

In Mar 1996, the Government of Sudan offered to turn Osama bin Laden over to U.S. custody, 3 different times. Clinton refused Sudan's offers, later stating the United States had no legal reason to accept bin Laden into custody and no legal reasons to hold him. Clinton lied through his teeth. Bin Laden had already been named in an indictment in 1995 but was not within the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of the indictment. In 1996, he could have been, along with his top commanders AND their documents detailing their plans, forces and locations.

In August 1996, bin Laden declared war/jihad against the United States.

In February 1997, Algore handed over to Clinton a special commission report on Airline Safety and Security. No part of that report, known as the Gore report was ever implemented by Clinton, even though it was commissioned by Clinton and was delivered to Clinton 4 years before Clinton's second term in office expired.

There has never, in the history of the United States, been a President who stood by and did nothing in the face of direct attacks against the United States both within the continental US and abroad. Nor has there ever been an American President who stood by and emboldened an enemy into the belief they could strike the United States with impunity and with no consequences.

The attacks on the WTC and Pentagon had been in the planning stages for about 2 years or more. George Bush had been President for 8 months.

Like the rest of the loony left airheads, Robert Scheer needs to pull his head out of his $ss. Inaction, in the case of Bill Clinton's had consequences.

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posted February 17, 2005 03:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All of this information is terrible news for american citizens who voted for them, but what do you do really? I don't feel that stongly either way about any of these presidents, however, I was very surprised after even some of this information was released long before the last election that it was pretty much a 50/50 tie between Bush and Kerry. The reason that it appalled me was that I have quite a suspicion that most of the Bush voters were "out for blood" they think Bush is a hard a*s and Kerry was to docile. Anyone I asked the reasoning for their choice anyway, which ironically was about half of the people i asked. Why the carnage? Yes, they murdered thousands of innocent people, mothers, babies, etc., but where is Osama? This whole war has turned into something different, and maybe it's me but it seems like either things keep going wrong for there to be different reasons to keep it going or they are chalk full of excuses to kill people. Hey! I know, lets blow up a bunch of buildings trying to kill 2 or 3 terrorists, kill a bunch of innocent people,and then take the money from our country to rebuild their terrorist areas shiny and new.I don't know about the rest of the country, but ALOT of schools have closed,PUBLIC elementary in particular (the most influential stage of learning) no child left behind? of course not! we'll just pack them all into one tiny class and deprive them of any one on one attention, like a pack of bleating goats. Now get in line children, for your standard, uniform, lesson.That is unless your child is in private school, oh, I forgot, those are probably mostly upper class bush supporters.And those are my main issues. But I guess, no ones perfect and we've had worse presidents before.Hopefully, theres only one way to go and it's not down.

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ozonefiller
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posted February 17, 2005 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hopefully, theres only one way to go and it's not down.

Are you sure about that Tracysalome?

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miss_apples
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posted February 17, 2005 12:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear ya Tracy. Where is Osama? I think we shouldve been able to catch him by now, I mean...how long has it been? I personally think they should have cleared the whole Afghanistan conflict and the search for Osama before thinking about a conflict with Iraq, but hey what can I do. I also agree that we have had worst presidents.

And Ozone, I think Tracy is just trying to be positive about the situation. I personally strongly believe thinking negativly and thinking we are all doomed worsens the situation. Negative thoughts cause negative actions. So I will second, hopefully there is one way to go and it isnt down

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tracysalome
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posted February 17, 2005 10:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Miss Apples, Yes I was trying to be positive, I am not even sure about the schools issue (if it's really, and truly related to bush at all) it could have possibly happened with another i'm sure. I'm not even highly educated at politics. Actually, I didn't even vote and i've never voted (although i could have i'm 21) But my sister is a teacher. And both her and my dad are highly educated - one on each side of the fence. As a mother, and seeing the elementary school I attended close bothers me a bit. Thats all. I didn't vote because I didn't want to regret my vote later. And each side seemed so fanatical at a point about their views that it had begun to seem more like some crazy religious war or something. I didn't like the atmosphere and i wouldn't partake. I still dont know for sure what to think about bush though.Some how i feel like he may have started half of this *hit over there to make sure no one would want to get a over docile prez into office and not know how to handle it. But I guess no one knows for sure in the secret world of politics. I also agree with the negative energy thing. I was thinking about posting that on another thread but due to my lack of education on polotics, I didn't want to post on a already seemingly hostile thread and be attacked without a way to defend myself.

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posted February 17, 2005 11:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Tracy

Im not the most educated person when it comes to politics either, but it seems like most people argue by posting numerous news articles rather than posting their feelings or beliefs on a subject so dont feel bad. Just like you I didnt want to vote for either candidate as I felt neither of them were moderate enough. I did vote independant however just to defy against what I feel is a biased 2 party system. Anywho...when it comes to politicians, they are all a little too rich, a little too priviledged, and a little too greedy to me.

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posted February 17, 2005 11:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well you know around here if you spill out your feelings...jwhop tries to belittle you for "thinking with your heart not your head" then demands facts and sources....but if you post facts and sources he needs to deny the "credibility" of your sources(god forbid the ap article is also archived at common dreams), then demands you stop copying/pasting articles and explain how you feel about it....

damned if you do,damned if you dont lol

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jwhop
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posted February 17, 2005 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would welcome discussion on topics from your own storehouse of knowledge Petron.

The reason I sometimes ask for sources is because some of the most outrageous distortions, rumors and outright lies I've ever seen have been posted as truth on this forum.

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posted February 18, 2005 12:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ya tell me about it.....lol

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tracysalome
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posted February 18, 2005 12:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Either way this forum still scares the crap put of me. But good for EVERYONE who is so passionate about these topics.

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posted February 18, 2005 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to GU Tracysalome, where this is about as close to hELL as you ever gonna get on Earth!

If you ask me about my belief on the issue of the future of the school system in the US or in anywhere else on that matter? If the Bill Graham, Pat Robertson and the rest of the Religious Right had they're way, the history of mankind would be taught out in the wilderness somewhere with the explaination that a pairing humans that look like something that came right out of Hollywood(all clean shaven)of the opposite sex of eachother, found wondering naked in a forest somewhere(like that of a shameless survivor series seagment), eating an apple together and discovered by a guy in a white business suit and a rod of iron and joined by a winged search and rescue team, damning another guy that looks like Tommy Chong and his pet snake, just for asking the "naked chick" if she would like to eat some "reds"!

Oh yeah, I forgot! Here's a cool source:

The False Prophet Page

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