posted April 01, 2005 01:52 PM              

Friday 01 April 2005, 5:04 Makka Time, 2:04 GMT

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US intelligence agencies were "dead wrong" in assessing Iraq's weapons programmes and still know dangerously little about current nuclear and biological threats, a presidential commission has said.

After a year-long inquiry, the panel on US intelligence capabilities said in a scathing report on Thursday that the decision to invade Iraq in March 2003 - based on dubious intelligence - had irreparably damaged US credibility.

"We conclude that the intelligence community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," the commission said. "We simply cannot afford failures of this magnitude."

The commission warned that US intelligence on the capabilities and intentions of Iran and North Korea - both locked in nuclear disputes with the United States - may be "disturbingly" shaky.

Contemporary intelligence

"The bad news is that we still know disturbingly little about the weapons programmes and even less about the intentions of many of our most dangerous adversaries," the commission said.

US claims of Iraq possessing
WMDs have proven wrong

"Across the board, the intelligence community knows disturbingly little about the nuclear programmes of many of the world's most dangerous actors. In some cases, it knows less now than it did five or 10 years ago," it said.

The commission's report unravelled that in buildings its case for the Iraq war, the Bush administration relied on bogus intelligence from a mysterious Iraqi chemical engineer codenamed "Curveball".

Dubious source

Assertions that Iraq was cooking up biological agents in mobile labs to elude international inspectors and Western intelligence services - based almost exclusively on Curveball's information - became what the report called one of the "most important and alarming" assessments in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate cited by President George Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney in justifying the war.

Despite Curveball's mysterious background before turning up in Germany and internal doubts about his reliability, the Iraqi's assertions appeared in more than 100 government reports and shaped then-Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 2003 address to the United Nations detailing Iraq's weapons programmes.

The commission faulted intelligence officials within the CIA for failing to raise these doubts, which emerged after the October 2002 intelligence estimate was published but before Powell's speech at the UN.

Only in May 2004, more than a year after the invasion, did the CIA formally deem Curveball's reporting "fabricated".

Misplaced emphasis

The commission also accused CIA analysts of placing "undue emphasis" on Curveball's information "because the tales he told were consistent with what they already believed".

The CIA suspects Curveball fabricated the information in an attempt to gain permanent asylum and avoid being returned to Iraq.

"We conclude that the intelligence community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction"

US presidential commission on intelligence capabilities

The commission said Curveball was not the only bad source the intelligence community relied upon.

Another asylum-seeker reporting through defence channels provided one report in June 2001 that Iraq had transportable facilities for the production of biological weapons. He recanted in October 2003.

Putting up a brave face, Bush welcomed the report and said he had directed his homeland security adviser, Fran Townsend, to review the 600-page document and take "concrete action" on its recommendations.

"The central conclusion is one that I share: America's intelligence community needs fundamental change to enable us to successfully confront the threats of the 21st century," he said in remarks at the White House.

posted April 01, 2005 05:39 PM              

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SEC of State Powell laid out the US position on Iraq's WMD to the UN. Perhaps anyone who has doubts Iraq had WMD should read it. --jwhop

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Where I put up the cartoons of those biological vans, we didn't just make them up one night--colin powell

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posted April 01, 2005 07:06 PM            

Where oh where did you get all that insight to know that what every intelligence service in the world thought was true was in fact all wet?

Where did you come across the information that what Hans Blix of the UN believed about Saddam's WMD was in fact totally wrong?

And lastly Petron, are you certain the reports of Russian military forces removing Saddam's WMD from Iraq prior to the Coalition invasion....is in fact nothing but fiction? And if in fact you are certain, you might wish to share your deductive reasoning or the source of your information with the rest of us.

posted April 01, 2005 11:02 PM              

well my hindsight is alot worse than 20/20 and my glasses are broke......
so why werent we invading syria in the first place? http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/syria/cw.htm

so why didnt we cut off the trucks into syria?
oh yea thats right....the president actually gave them permission.....
March 17, 2003

Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing. --dubya bush jr. 's ultimatum to saddm

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The Washington Times dropped to the bottom of the integrity scale by leading with a story that definitively blamed the loss of hundreds of tons of high explosives (HE) on the Russian military. Their story was based mainly on the views of one controversial Pentagon staffer, John A. "Jack" Shaw.

Earlier this year Shaw was reportedly involved in a controversy involving the former Iraqi golden boy and now criminal, Ahmed Chalabi. The scandal involved the awarding of cell phone contracts to three companies with close ties to Chalibi. According to the L.A. Times, he was put under investigation by the FBI.

From reports of Shaw, it would seem that this government employee runs fast and loose. When investigating a contracting matter, he allegedly was refused entry into Iraq and then dressed up as a Halliburton employee in order to gain entry into the country.
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000689.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1329/is_5_29/ai_n6237566
http://www.dod.mil/releases/2004/nr20040810-1103.html
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_001984.shtml
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349584/posts

posted April 02, 2005 12:14 AM            

How do you know Iraq's WMD was not removed to Syria by Russian military forces...and how do you know that?

posted April 02, 2005 01:33 AM              

the question is...when did you know there wasnt any wmd in iraq?? heheh

and how come you didnt email this plan to dubya....

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Iraqi access to their stores of chemical and biological weapons will be denied to them by virtue of coalition forces overrunning the installations where they are stored. Those storage facilities will be found as coalition forces advance. If we knew where they were we would go right after them, capture the facility and put enough forces around it to ensure it's denial to the Iraqis. --jwhop

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Iraq nuclear looters leave trail of anguish
June 2 2003

US officials are recovering barrels looted from Iraq's nuclear agency, buying back containers that may be radioactive from people who were washing clothes and storing food in them.
Angry local residents said their children had fallen ill after wearing clothes washed in barrels once used to store processed uranium at the Iraqi Nuclear Energy Agency and which may still have had traces of radioactive material.
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors will arrive this week to investigate how much radioactive material was lost when looters raided the agency's compound after US-led forces toppled president Saddam Hussein last month.
The looters made off with the barrels, dumping the so-called "yellow cake" uranium inside a waste disposal facility at the sprawling complex south of Baghdad and selling them to unsuspecting residents of the nearby Madaen district for $US2 ($3.07) each.
Residents said US forces had bought back the barrels for $US3 a few days ago.
"We recovered 100 barrels, but we do not know how many more are out there," said Lieutenant-Colonel Brent Bredehoft, head of the US task force searching for the looted material.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/01/1054406075181.html?oneclick=true

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Looting at Iraqi Weapons Plants Was Systematic, Official Says

By JAMES GLANZ and WILLIAM J. BROAD
New York Times

BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 12 - In the weeks after Baghdad fell in April 2003, looters systematically dismantled and removed tons of machinery from Saddam Hussein's most important weapons installations, including some with high-precision equipment capable of making parts for nuclear arms, a senior Iraqi official said this week in the government's first extensive comments on the looting.

posted April 02, 2005 10:00 AM            

You still didn't answer my questions Petron.

When did you KNOW there were no WMD in Iraq and how did you know?

posted April 02, 2005 02:00 PM            

And, are you saying the Russians did not deliver Saddam's WMD to Syria?

posted April 02, 2005 03:10 PM              

"We conclude that the intelligence community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," the commission said. "We simply cannot afford failures of this magnitude."

posted April 02, 2005 03:35 PM            

I did indeed post information from a report and that statement was backed up by earlier reports of heavy truck traffic flowing from Iraq to Syria...just before the invasion of Iraq. So what? Are you disputing the report that Russian troops moved Saddam's WMD to Syria? Or not?

posted April 02, 2005 03:45 PM              

thats funny jwhop
the last time you demanded links, i meticulously linked every quote you made but you quit responding...nor did you even comment on the posts you demanded i post or the many questions i asked you....lol

now i suppose youll demand links to all the questions/posts/sources i'm talking about right?

posted April 06, 2006 01:17 PM            

Frontpage Interview’s guest is Paul (Dave) Gaubatz, a former U.S. Federal Agent (Arabic linguist/counter-terrorist specialist) who was deployed to Iraq at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. His mission was to search for WMDs. Four sites he identified were not searched by ISG (Iraq Survey Group) and he has waged a three year battle to get them searched. He is currently the Chief Investigator with the Dallas County Medical Examiner, Dallas, TX. He can be contacted at pdgaubatz@yahoo.com.

FP: Mr. Gaubatz, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Gaubatz: Thank you Jamie.

FP: Let’s start with your background. Tell us a bit about who you are and why you were sent to Iraq at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Gaubatz: I served 20 years on active duty with the USAF and had spent 12 of those years as an OSI Special Agent (counter-terrorism/counter-intelligence. After retiring I obtained a position as a civilian Federal Agent with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI).

Directly after Sept 11th, I was sent to the U.S. State Department (Foreign Service Institute) for a one year intensive Arabic language course. Immediately afterwards I was deployed (as a civilian Agent) to Saudi Arabia from Jan 2003 until Mar 2003. I was the only civilian in the area.

Before Operation Iraqi Freedom, I was assigned to an area along the Saudi and Iraq border (Arar Air Base, Saudi Arabia). My mission directly before the war was to develop intelligence to eliminate espionage by Saudi Arabian military officials who we suspected of passing U.S. war fighting intelligence to Iraqi intelligence officers. I conducted an operation against one Saudi military officer and his activities were deterred and he is no longer a U.S. threat. I also conducted missions along the border of Iraq before the war to collect intelligence on Iraqi movement and their war fighting capabilities.

The 5 man team I was assigned to collected intelligence on the probability of chemical or biological weapons being used against our forces by the Iraqis. Initially Saudi officers advised Saddam Hussein would not use WMD during the war, but as the days got closer the Saudi officers were wearing chemical protective equipment as we were. You could see the look of defeat in the Saudis’ eyes. All along they had been saying Saddam would not use WMD, but in their heart they knew he had the capability and would do so if he had the opportunity.

In April 2003, I was deployed into Nasiriyah, Iraq. Again I was the first and only civilian Federal Agent there. My primary mission in Iraq was to locate suspected WMD sites and conduct Force Protection Operations (find out the threats against U.S. forces in the area). I was to also locate Iraqis who were loyal to Saddam Hussein.

FP: Tell us about the sites you identified and why the ISG never searched them.

Gaubatz: There are four sites I identified in southern Iraq. Two are within the city limits, one about 20 miles south of Nasiriyah (in the vicinity of Suk Ash Shuyakh), and another near the port of Umm Qasr (near Basrah). Three agents and I identified these sites. We had multiple sources, from various backgrounds, and who had access to the information.

One must remember that at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the average Iraqi was more open to providing Americans intelligence. They wanted Saddam removed and wanted chemical and biological weapons removed as well. The people of southern Iraq had fully expected WMDs to be used against them as well. Each of their homes had been prepared for a chemical attack. Many had gas masks and had sealed certain rooms in their homes. We were shown this.

Iraqis from backgrounds such as Iraqi Police officers, Doctors, Engineers, Iraqi Govt. officials, farmers, tribesmen, etc. identified sites that contained WMDs. They explained in detail why WMDs were in these areas and asked the U.S. to remove the WMDs. Much of the WMDs had been buried in rivers (within concrete bunkers), and in the sewage pipe system. There were signs of chemical activity in the area (missile imprints, gas masks, decontamination kits, atropine needles, etc..) The Iraqis and my team had no doubt WMDs were hidden in these areas.

The Agents and I knew we had found what we had been looking for. We immediately wrote our reports, which included all the source names, their credibility, their contact information, grid coordinates of the sites, and photographs. The reports were then sent to the U.S. Weapons Inspectors (in northern Iraq). This was mid April 2003. We were initially told by the Inspectors that their team was not organized at this point to conduct exploitations of sites. The sites we had identified would require an extensive amount of excavation. The actual ISG was not formed until a couple of months after the war. Not only did ISG not have the people and proper equipment, they advised Iraq was still a combat zone and very dangerous. ISG members further told us that WMD searches were being concentrated in northern Iraq, and not southern Iraq.

This was the first and largest mistake by ISG. During my intelligence gathering the Iraqis had told us that Saddam concentrated on hiding the WMDs in the southern region because the history of prior UN Weapons Inspections had always concentrated in searches of northern faculties. Searches in southern Iraq had primarily been helicopter flyovers. I have respect for every U.S. member of ISG who served in Iraq, but as an organization, the management was poor. They were not organized nor prepared for this type operation. I compare them to FEMA during Hurricane Katrina. Good people, but poor management. Poor management results in disaster and failure.

FP: Is there a possibly that some of the sites you identified three years ago may have been exploited by others (not the U.S.)? Could the government be covering this up because it may be embarrassing that we let the WMDs slip out of our fingers when we had a chance to obtain them?

Gaubatz: This has been an uphill battle for 3 years (to get the sites searched). The more intelligence I have obtained during the last 3 years is starting to point to the strong possibility that we lost a major opportunity by not searching the sites I identified.

Although I believe some of the WMD sites still contain chemical and biological weapons, there are indicators the Russians may have assisted in exploiting some of the WMDs from one or more of these sites. The Iraqi people told us that Russian intelligence had been well organized in Iraq before the war, and also Iranian personnel. We were told if we don't remove the WMDs, others will. The Iraqi sources were constantly asking us when we were going to remove the WMDs. We just shook our heads. ISG would not come to our locations to exploit. Not only had we risked our lives, but many Iraqi people had done so as well by assisting us.

I have provided detailed information to Congressman Pete Hoekstra and Congressman Curt Weldon. The 15 plus pages of detailed information I provided to them leaves no doubt accurate and verifiable intelligence was obtained about WMD in southern Iraq. I not only provided them names, addresses, and phone numbers of Iraqis who can confirm the WMDs, but also the Russian and Iranian involvement. The latest information was provided to Congressman Weldon during the period 16 Mar 2006, through 4 Apr 2006. I spent several days assisting them in converting military grid coordinates into longitude and latitude, which would put them within one meter of the sites.

FP: Do you feel President Bush and Congress were provided accurate intelligence before, during, and after the war?

Gaubatz: The most accurate intelligence is what is initially obtained by ground intelligence officers. The intelligence myself and other Agents obtained on the ground never reached our President or Congress. The intelligence they eventually received was so diluted and politically scrubbed, that it was often far from the original intelligence we received.

There was no intelligence failure; there was a serious dissemination failure. The intelligence ground agents obtained what they had to obtain, but they must in the future get it into the appropriate hands immediately without it being filtered. I have no doubt that no member of Congress or President Bush ever got the intelligence myself and other Agents assigned to Nasiriyah, Iraq obtained. I know Congressman Hoekstra nor Congressman Weldon had ever seen this. After the war, President Bush was briefed that WMDs were not in Iraq and all suspected WMDs sites were searched. All sites have not been searched.

FP: Thank you for joining us today sir.

posted April 06, 2006 06:08 PM              

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Much of the WMDs had been buried in rivers (within concrete bunkers), and in the sewage pipe system.

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sounds like a bunch more of those defunct, unprimed sarin shells, blister shells, and spicy mustard shells we helped saddam get back in the 80's.......

posted April 06, 2006 06:51 PM            

I confess I can't fathom why they haven't been uncovered and searched...aside from the fact it's a difficult undertaking.

posted April 07, 2006 12:18 AM              

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"Anyone out there holding the prospect that, in fact, the Iraq Survey Group is going to unmask actual weapons of mass destruction, are really delusional,"... There is nothing there.---david kay,

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posted April 07, 2006 12:32 AM            

We already know...from captured documents that Saddam and his staff were hiding and moving materials around inside Iraq they didn't want inspectors to find. Also that Saddam and staff used diversionary tactics to steer the inspectors away from sites they didn't want inspected and that they spied on the inspectors.

Now why would they do that Petron...if as you have said...Iraq destroyed all it's WMD right after the first Gulf War?

My only question is why the 4 sites Gaubatz reported to the ISG were NOT searched.

posted April 07, 2006 12:51 AM              

Documents Show Saddam's WMD Frustrations

By CHARLES J. HANLEY AP Special Correspondent

BAGHDAD, Iraq Mar 21, 2006 (AP)— Exasperated, besieged by global pressure, Saddam Hussein and top aides searched for ways in the 1990s to prove to the world they'd given up banned weapons.

"We don't have anything hidden!" the frustrated Iraqi president interjected at one meeting, transcripts show.

At another, in 1996, Saddam wondered whether U.N. inspectors would "roam Iraq for 50 years" in a pointless hunt for weapons of mass destruction. "When is this going to end?" he asked.

It ended in 2004, when U.S. experts, after an exhaustive investigation, confirmed what the men in those meetings were saying: that Iraq had eliminated its weapons of mass destruction long ago, a finding that discredited the Bush administration's stated rationale for invading Iraq in 2003 to locate WMD.

The newly released documents are among U.S. government translations of audiotapes or Arabic-language transcripts from top-level Iraqi meetings dating from about 1996-97 back to the period soon after the 1991 Gulf War, when the U.N. Security Council sent inspectors to disarm Iraq.

Even as the documents make clear Saddam's regime had given up banned weapons, they also attest to its continued secretiveness: A 1997 document from Iraqi intelligence instructed agencies to keep confidential files away from U.N. teams, and to remove "any forbidden equipment."

Since it's now acknowledged the Iraqis had ended the arms programs by then, the directive may have been aimed at securing stray pieces of equipment, and preserving some secrets from Iraq's 1980s work on chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

Saddam's inner circle entertained notions of reviving the programs someday, the newly released documents show. "The factories will remain in our brains," one unidentified participant told Saddam at a meeting, apparently in the early 1990s.

At the same meeting, however, Saddam, who was deposed by the U.S. invasion in 2003 and is now on trial for crimes against humanity, led a discussion about converting chemical weapons factories to beneficial uses.

When a subordinate complained that U.N. inspectors had seized equipment at the plants useful for pharmaceutical and insecticide production, Saddam jumped in, saying they had "no right" to deny the Iraqis the equipment, since "they have ascertained that we have no intention to produce in this field (chemical weapons)."

Saddam's regime extensively videotaped and audiotaped meetings and other events, both public and confidential. The dozen transcribed discussions about weapons inspections largely dealt with Iraq's diplomatic strategies for getting the Security Council to confirm it had disarmed.

Scores of Iraqi documents, seized after the 2003 invasion, are being released at the request of the U.S. House Intelligence Committee chairman, Rep. Peter Hoekstra, who has suggested that evidence might turn up that the Iraqis hid their weapons or sent them to neighboring Syria. No such evidence has emerged.

Repeatedly in the transcripts, Saddam and his lieutenants remind each other that Iraq destroyed its chemical and biological weapons in the early 1990s, and shut down those programs and the nuclear-bomb program, which had never produced a weapon.

"We played by the rules of the game," Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz said at a session in the mid-1990s. "In 1991, our weapons were destroyed."

Amer Mohammed Rashid, a top weapons program official, told a 1996 presidential meeting he laid out the facts to the U.N. chief inspector.

"We don't have anything to hide, so we're giving you all the details," he said he told Rolf Ekeus.

In his final report in October 2004, Charles Duelfer, head of a post-invasion U.S. team of weapons hunters, concluded Iraq and the U.N. inspectors had, indeed, dismantled the nuclear program and destroyed the chemical and biological weapons stockpiles by 1992, and the Iraqis never resumed production.

Saddam's goal in the 1990s was to have the Security Council lift the economic sanctions strangling the Iraqi economy, by convincing council members Iraq had eliminated its WMD. But he was thwarted at every turn by what he and aides viewed as U.S. hard-liners blocking council action.

The inspectors "destroyed everything and said, `Iraq completed 95 percent of their commitment,'" Saddam said at one meeting. "We cooperated with the resolutions 100 percent and you all know that, and the 5 percent they claim we have not executed could take them 10 years to (verify).

"Don't think for a minute that we still have WMD," he told his deputies. "We have nothing."
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1751481&page=1

posted April 07, 2006 01:25 AM            

"But the documents obtained by CNSNews.com shed new light on the controversy."

"They detail the Iraqi regime's purchase of five kilograms of mustard gas on Aug. 21, 2000 and three vials of malignant pustule, another term for anthrax, on Sept. 6, 2000. The purchase order for the mustard gas includes gas masks, filters and rubber gloves. The order for the anthrax includes sterilization and decontamination equipment. (See Saddam's Possession of Mustard Gas)"

"The documents show that Iraqi intelligence received the mustard gas and anthrax from "Saddam's company," which Tefft said was probably a reference to Saddam General Establishment, "a complex of factories involved with, amongst other things, precision optics, missile, and artillery fabrication."
http://www.cnsnews.com/SpecialReports/archive/200410/SPE20041004a.html

Saddam's Possession of Mustard Gas Table specifying contracts for mustard gas and protective equipment)
http://www.cnsnews.com/specialreports/2004/mustardgas.asp

posted April 07, 2006 01:32 AM            

(1st Add: Includes additional comments from former federal prosecutor John Loftus.)

(CNSNews.com) - Secret audiotapes of Saddam Hussein discussing ways to attack America with weapons of mass destruction will be the subject of an ABC "Nightline" program Wednesday night, a former federal prosecutor told Cybercast News Service.

The tapes are being called the "smoking gun" of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq. The New York Sun reported that the tapes have been authenticated and currently are being reviewed by the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

The panel's chairman, Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), declined to give the Sun details of the content or context of the recordings, saying only that they were provided to his committee by former federal prosecutor John Loftus.

Loftus has been tight-lipped about the tapes, telling the Sun only that he received them from a "former American military intelligence analyst." However, on Wednesday he told Cybercast News Service, "Saddam's tapes confirm he had active CW [chemical weapons] and BW [biological weapons] programs that were hidden from the UN."

On Tuesday night, Loftus told Cybercast News Service that ABC's "Nightline" would air an "extensive report" on the tapes Wednesday night. Loftus also described an ABC News "teaser," which reportedly contains audio of Saddam Hussein discussing ways to attack America with WMD. "Nightline will have a lot more," said Loftus.

The tapes are scheduled to be revealed to the public Saturday morning at the opening session of The Intelligence Summit, a conference which brings together intelligence professionals from around the world.

Loftus is president of The Intelligence Summit. Its advisory council includes generals, a former F.B.I. official, a former senior Israeli Mossad officer and the former chair of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, according to information posted on the summit website. Currently a private attorney, Loftus says he works pro bono to help intelligence agents obtain lawful permission to declassify and publish the "hidden secrets of our times."

He purportedly has held some of the highest security clearances in the world with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword and Top Secret nuclear files.

This year's Intelligence Summit will bring together top terrorism experts including Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld, author of "Funding Evil," 9/11 investigator Jean-Charles Brisard, author of "Zarqawi: the New Face of Al-Qaeda;" former CIA agent Michael Scheurer, author of "Imperial Hubris," and Richard Marcinko, former head of SEAL Team Six, and author of "Rogue Warrior."

The Intelligence Summit will be featured not only in the Wednesday Nightline report but also on ABC World News Tonight.

In a March 2005 addendum to the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) report on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, ISG head Charles Duelfer wrote that while there continue to be reports of WMD in Iraq, the ISG found "such reports are usually scams or misidentification of materials or activities."

A limited number of cases involved the discovery of old chemical munitions produced before 1990, Duelfer wrote. He also reported in the addendum that a large collection of audiotapes from Iraq's Revolutionary Command Council meetings chaired by Saddam was in the process of translation. While he conceded there were "remaining uncertainties," the chief weapons hunter said it was "not likely" the documentation would provide "significant surprises" regarding WMD.

Loftus told Cybercast News Service that the documentation referenced by Duelfer ended in 1991, and was not related to the new audiotapes.

"[T]here were no weapons," Sen. Hillary Clinton, (D-N.Y.) recently commented, "or if there were, they certainly weren't used or they were in some way disposed of or taken out of the country." Her comments were reported in The New York Sun.

On Tuesday night, Loftus praised a Cybercast News Service article published on Oct. 4, 2004, entitled Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties.

The exclusive report featured documents showing numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans.

posted April 07, 2006 08:46 PM              

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Secret audiotapes of Saddam Hussein discussing ways to attack America with weapons of mass destruction will be the subject of an ABC "Nightline" program Wednesday night, a former federal prosecutor told Cybercast News Service.

The tapes are being called the "smoking gun" of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq.

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jwhop....why would you post an outdated teaser like that instead of posting the piece itself, which has already aired....one which has already been posted in gu??....is this some poor attempt at misdirection or do you even follow this issue apart from what you can dig up on the spot??

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