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BlueRoamer
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posted April 25, 2005 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but man its hard not to!!!!!!

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jwhop
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posted April 25, 2005 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So BlueRoamer, what is it with you. Is it a simple case of racism, sexism or is it a full blown inferiority complex?

I only ask because I wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions...even though I've had occassion to read enough of your posts to understand you don't personally measure up to Condi Rice in any meaningful way.

If your problem is racism or simple sexism, an attitude adjustment would seem to be in order.

If on the other hand, it's an inferiority complex, perhaps some accomplishments of your own would be in order. Here's Condi's bio. Something to shoot for.


Condoleezza "Condi" Rice (born November 14, 1954), is the second United States Secretary of State in the administration of President George W. Bush. She is the first African American woman, the second African American (after Colin Powell), and the second woman (after Madeleine Albright) to serve in that post.

Rice served as National Security Advisor to President George W. Bush during his first term. She was the second African American and the first female to have been appointed National Security Advisor.

In November 2004, Bush nominated Rice to succeed Colin Powell as Secretary of State. On January 26, 2005, the U.S. Senate confirmed her nomination by a vote of 85-13, and she was sworn in later that day.

Childhood
Rice was born in Birmingham, Alabama, the only child of Angelena Rice and the Reverend John Wesley Rice, Jr. Her father became a minister at Westminster Presbyterian Church and her mother was a music teacher. In an article for the New Yorker, Nicholas Lemann, dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University, writes, "Birmingham had one notably rich black family, the Gastons, who were in the insurance business. Occupying the next rung down was Alma Powell's family; her father and her uncle were the principals of two black high schools in town. Rice's father, John Wesley Rice, Jr., worked for Alma Powell's uncle as a high-school guidance counsellor, and was an ordained minister who preached on weekends; Rice's mother, Angelena, was a teacher."

(Alma Powell is married to Colin Powell.) In 1967, the family moved to Denver when her father accepted an administrative position at the University of Denver. Her name is a variation on the Italian musical term "con dolcezza" which is a direction to play "with sweetness".

She was born the same year as the landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision. Rice was eight when her schoolmate Denise McNair was killed in the bombing of the primarily African-American Sixteenth Street Baptist Church by white supremacists on September 15, 1963. Rice states that growing up during segregation taught her determination against adversity, and the need to be "twice as good" as non-minorities


Education
After studying piano at an Aspen music camp, Rice enrolled at the University of Denver, where her father both served as an assistant dean and taught a class called "The Black Experience in America."

At age 15, Rice began classes with the goal of becoming a concert pianist. Her plans changed when she attended a course on international politics taught by Josef Korbel, the father of former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. This experience sparked her interest in the Soviet Union and international relations and led her to call Korbel, "one of the most central figures in my life"

In 1974, at age 19, Rice earned her bachelor's degree in political science, *** laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver. In 1975, she obtained her master's degree from the University of Notre Dame. She first worked in the State Department in 1977, during the Carter administration, as an intern in the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. In 1981, at age 26, she received her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver. In addition to English, she speaks Russian, French, and Spanish.

Academic career
At Stanford University, Rice is a tenured Professor of Political Science, Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. From 1993 to July 1, 1999 she served as the Stanford Provost, the chief budget and academic officer of the university. After departing to enter government service, she returned to Stanford in June 2003 to deliver the commencement address.


Rice is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004.

Political career
In the George H. W. Bush Administration
From 1989 through March 1991 (the period of the fall of Berlin wall and the final days of the Soviet Union), she served in the George H. W. Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In this position, Rice helped develop the strategy of Bush and Secretary of State James Baker in favor of German reunification. She so impressed Bush that he introduced her to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev as the one who "tells me everything I know about the Soviet Union."

In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, Rice served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she sat on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender-Integrated Training in the Military.

During George W. Bush's election campaign in 2000, Rice took a one-year leave of absence from Stanford to work as his foreign policy advisor. On December 17, 2000, Rice was picked to serve as National Security Advisor and stepped down from her position at Stanford.

In the George W. Bush Administration
In 2003, Rice was drawn into the debate over the affirmative action admissions policy at the University of Michigan. On January 18, 2003, the Washington Post reported that she was involved in crafting Bush's position against race-based preferences. On the same day, Rice released a statement that somewhat contradicted this, saying that she believes race "can be a factor" in university admissions policies

Rice, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld listen to President George W. Bush speak about the Middle East on June 24, 2002.Rice has also been one of the most outspoken supporters of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. After Iraq delivered its declaration of weapons of mass destruction to the United Nations on December 8, 2002, it was Rice who wrote and submitted an editorial to The New York Times entitled "Why We Know Iraq Is Lying

In March 2004, Rice was involved in a controversy over her initial refusal to publicly testify under oath before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (the 9/11 Commission). The White House claimed executive privilege under constitutional separation of powers and cited past tradition in refusing requests for her public testimony. Debate on her role in counter-terrorism policy increased after testimony and the release of Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies. Under pressure, Bush agreed to allow her to publicly testify so long as it did not create a precedent of Presidential staff being required to appear before Congress when so requested. In the end, her appearance before the commission on April 8, 2004 was deemed acceptable in part because she was not actually appearing before Congress. She thus became the first sitting National Security Advisor to testify on matters of policy.

In August 2004, Forbes magazine named Rice the world's most powerful woman.

Condoleezza Rice
Leading up to the 2004 U.S. Presidential election, Rice became the first National Security Advisor to campaign for an incumbent president. She used this occasion to express her belief that Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq contributed to circumstances that produced terrorism like the 9/11 Attacks on America. At a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania campaign rally she said: "While Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the actual attacks on America, Saddam Hussein's Iraq was a part of the Middle East that was festering and unstable, [and] was part of the circumstances that created the problem on September 11."

While some evidence does exist that suggests Hussein supported and endorsed terrorism, others claim that a connection between Islamic extremism and Saddam's mostly secular Baath party is unfounded.

On November 16, 2004, Bush nominated Rice to be Secretary of State replacing Colin Powell, whose resignation was made public the day before. Bush named Rice's deputy, Stephen Hadley, to replace her as National Security Advisor. On January 7, 2005 Bush nominated U.S. Trade Representative Robert B. Zoellick to be Rice's deputy at the Department of State. On January 19, 2005, the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations voted by 16-2 margin to approve the forwarding of Rice's nomination to the full Senate for approval, with Democrats John Kerry and Barbara Boxer voting against Rice. On January 26, 2005, the Senate confirmed her nomination by a vote of 85-13. The negative votes, the most cast against any nomination for Secretary of State since 1825, came from Senators who, according to Boxer, wanted "to hold Dr. Rice and the Bush Administration accountable for their failures in Iraq and in the war on terrorism." All negative votes came from either democrat or independent senators. Their reasoning was that Rice had acted irresponsibly in equating Hussein's regime with Islamist terrorism and some could not accept her previous record. Furthermore, her hawkish attitudes were not well suited for a position that tends to prefer diplomatic solutions over military solutions. However, Rice's charm and intellect outweighed these factors, resulting in her approval by Republicans and Democrats.

In January 2005, during Bush's second inaugural ceremonies, Rice first used the term "outposts of tyranny", referring to countries felt to threaten world peace and human rights. This term is a descendant of Bush's phrase "Axis of Evil". She identified six such "outposts", in which she said the United States has a duty to foster freedom: Cuba, Zimbabwe, Burma and Belarus, as well as Iran and North Korea, two members of the "Axis of Evil".


In February 2005, Rice began an extended tour of Europe and the Middle East for the first time in her official capacity of Secretary of State. She traveled to
Germany
The United Kingdom
Poland
Turkey
Israel
Palestinian Territories
Italy
France
Belgium
And Luxembourg

In April 2005, Rice went to Russia to meet President Vladimir Putin, visiting the country in which she specialized during her academic career and service with the National Security Council. On the plane trip over, she related comments critical of Putin to reporters. "Trends have not been positive on the democratic side," said Rice. "There have been some setbacks, but I do still think there is a considerable amount of individual freedom in Russia, which is important." In person she would tell Putin, “We see Russia as a partner in solving regional issues, like the Balkans or the Middle East.”

During an interview with Russian Ekko Moskvy Radio, her fluency in the Russian language was tested when she was asked about her intentions concerning running for President. When asked, "One day you will run for president?" she replied, "President, da, da," before she quickly answered with "nyet, nyet, nyet."

Business career
Rice has served on the board of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, and the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation. She was also on the Board of Trustees of the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan, and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors.

Chevron honored Rice by naming an oil tanker Condoleezza Rice after her, but controversy led to its being renamed Altair Voyager. She also headed Chevron's committee on public policy until she resigned on January 15, 2001 to become National Security Advisor.

Rice has also been active in community affairs. She was a founding board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula.

In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Future prospects
Secretary Rice has risen to become one of the most high-profile female politicians in US history, and easily the most powerful African-American woman politician. As a result, conservative supporters have touted a future Vice Presidential or Presidential candidacy as an exciting possibility.

After the November 2004 election, a prominent Republican radio host advocated Rice's candidacy for President in the 2008 election. Political Consultant Dick Morris, who worked for Bill Clinton, also advocated Condoleezza Rice's candidacy for President. Americans for Dr. Rice http://www.AmericansForRice.com
is a 527 group, not approved by any candidate or party, dedicated to the candidacy, and election, of Rice in the 2008 presidential race. Rice for her part has repeatedly said she has no desire or interest in becoming President. Interviewed on the subject by Tim Russert, Rice declared, "I will not run for president of the United States. How is that? I don't know how many ways to say 'no' in this town." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7181496/site/newsweek/

Trivia
Rice has stated several times in interviews that she has aspirations of becoming the Commissioner of the National Football League.

Rice is unmarried.
Rice made use of her pianist training to accompany cellist Yo-Yo Ma for Brahms's Violin Sonata in D minor at Constitution Hall in April 2002

In November 2004, Rice had surgery to remove a non-cancerous fibroid tumor on her uterus.

High school: graduated from St. Mary's Academy, Englewood, Colorado, Class of 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 25, 2005 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever

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jwhop
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posted April 25, 2005 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You really need to do something about your overt racism BlueRoamer.

Well, we've covered the inferiority complex and you've copped to racism; guess I'll stand by for you to cop to being a sexist as well.

How galling for racists and sexists to have their noses rubbed in the facts a black woman is more intelligent than they, more accomplished than they and far better educated than they are. Strike three, they're out of there.

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posted April 25, 2005 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Aren't scorpios supposed to be SEXY???

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 25, 2005 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


The DARK emporer!

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posted April 25, 2005 11:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was freakin hysterical.

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 26, 2005 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop: HABADBOOOASTITIITITIT

BOOODALLDDDAA NOOOOO NOOOOO
YAAAAABBBAAA STIICCCKKAAAA NOOOO!!!!!!!!
SWUEEEHEHSHS TURRRPPAAAAARRURUUR

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jwhop
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posted April 26, 2005 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good BlueRoamer, you've found and mastered the caplock key.

I must say, with your last post, you're living up to my expectations. Any year now, you'll be ready to attempt some real words.

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posted April 26, 2005 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Look wise, say nothing, and grunt. Speech was given to conceal thought.

William Osler, MD
(1849- 1919)

OOGA BOOGA

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jwhop
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posted April 26, 2005 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's see BlueRoamer, it's you who claims to be idealistic...now isn't it?

Think I'll take a pass on your particular brand of idealism, the brand of idealism that compels you to post racist pictures and make remarks about the physical appearance of others.

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posted April 28, 2005 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep..that was in very poor taste BR...I am suprised that you would have stooped to that level.

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"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

"Once we moved like the Wind"

"Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour, and be in readiness for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar." This call and spur to the faithful servants of Truth and Justice was quoted by Churchill in his first broadcast as Prime Minister to the British people on the BBC - May 19, 1940, London.

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posted April 28, 2005 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
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posted April 29, 2005 12:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like Hilary or Rice either cuz I think they would sell their souls to the devil just for power (or already have). It should have nothing to do with scorpios! Rice has the same bday as my youngest sis...Nov 14th...and she's a genuinely sweet, considerate, and generous soul like many scorps I know. I actually feel sorry for Hilary and Rice...they've made personal choices in their lives that they will have to eventually face up to.

I honestly don't see how that is racist or sexist!?! I think it’s a reality that needs to be addressed. I think many people have false ideas about what antiracism and antisexism are and dont realize how much of an effect such hegemonic powers and ideas have on society, other nations, and the planet as a whole.

And man I can’t stand Cheney!!!! He is one weird a$$ greedy oil peddling dude who has indeed already sold his soul to the devil. And he happens to have the same birthday as me Jan 30th!! (Yet I can write up a lovely biography of all the accomplishments he's made...what relevance does it have when he's now gone to the other side?)

Sorry if I offended anyone just expressing what I believe.

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posted April 29, 2005 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't worry DayDream, nothing was sexist or racist here. Jwhop and Piduau simply don't like my politics or my opinions. I was merely pointing out that condy is kinda evil looking, and Jwhop went off on his own interpretation. The condy in uniform photo was sent to me by a black girlfriend of mine, and she doenst' think its racist at all. It's social commentary and hyperbole, not racism.

Kudos to you for expressing what you believe. Ignore Pid and Jwhop, they are fiesty fire signs and can't handle people of contrary opinion.

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posted April 29, 2005 08:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's always about racism. That is so played out already.

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Am I right in thinking lots of knowflakes are coming back to Lindaland? I see lots of older dates and low posting figures. That's great if people feel they can come back to a better place.

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of dew Upon a blade of grass. "Gratitude to the Unknown Instructors" by William Butler Yeats

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posted April 29, 2005 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like some others BlueRoamer, it's difficult to determine what YOUR politics really are...except perhaps that you get your political positions from cartoons. If you ever get it together enough to put forth a coherent political position, it would be a step forward.

Please don't attempt to weasel your way out of posting racist propaganda BlueRoamer. I don't give a flip who sent it to you nor do I buy into the notion that minorities cannot, by definition be racists.

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posted April 29, 2005 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BR,

It was never about your politics. I welcome different views. What struck me was that you opened with "people say not to judge a book by it's cover" Then you post a picture of Ms. Rice.

There was no comment explaining what you meant. One can only infer that by posting an unflattering pic of an African American woman you were playing on her race.

That is what a reasonable person would deduce.

I am still trying to figure out your intent. Are you saying that these women APPEAR smart but are not?


Daydream,

I am not sure there is evidence that demonstrates that Ms. Rice would do anything for a buck. We do know, however, that Ms. Clinton has been involved in numerous nefarious scandels involving money for favors...etc...

BR....using my quote from my profile doesn't have any bearing on hating you for what you are...etc....

You didn't exactly make a statement to your personality - or say "I BELIEVE THIS"..

I don't have anything against your opinions, only against the way you come across in a very offensive manner towards various groups.

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