posted May 10, 2005 12:14 AM              

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The fact remains...that Bush is President-jwhop

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yes well you are correct about that..........

posted May 10, 2005 12:48 AM              

It's interesting and yet not surprising how divided Americans are...feel like an outsider at least to the realm of most American politics, which I should pay more attention to since they are our neighbours and they do play a big role in the world. But too much media bombardment, too many different stories, and this lefty/ righty business (I guess I’m a righty since I was born right handed?). Ive come to feel such debate is a waste of my time...going in cylces...making me feel dizzy, helpless and hopeless...not a good feeling when I need to get to the bottom of things. How can I, a simple person living in Canada, get to the bottom of anything coming from mostly behind closed doors, or from a friend of a friend of a friend, or an enemy of an enemy of an enemy? I question any evidence out there from any side, and because my main source is the media, I question such evidence further. Who is speaking the truth? Truth is bound to come out. I can’t push it, I can’t argue it. Or can I? Maybe I’ll start paying attention to world politics again...when I have time from my miniscule existence in this universe.

posted May 10, 2005 01:02 AM            

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Oh yeah, jwhop []...Question 1: To start, do you have any conjunctions in your 10th house?

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posted May 12, 2005 12:11 AM              

Hey jwhop
There are a quite of few questions I'd like to ask you, but half of them I don't know if would feel comfortable answering or think appropriate.

Well one of the questions...With Moon, Pluto, Chiron conjunct Midheaven (in Leo), along with the Sun and Mercury in the 10th I’m curious to know type of what career(s) or calling(s) you are in or have been in.

posted May 13, 2005 01:06 AM              

Is there any need for me to read you your Miranda rights? Much of yourself should already be pretty visible to the public eye, especially with your chart so focused in the 10th. But if it makes you feel any better I can read them for you

A career in sales or any managerial position seems predictable and appropriate for your chart. What did you want to be as a child? Anyhow, you must have some pretty good powers of persuasion...did you firmly believe in all the products and services you were trying to sell?? I have a few gifted salespeople in my family. My Gemini sister for one. Yet, that is one occupation I am not good at. I was thrown into sales by my Leo aunt before I was even a teenager, and I attempted to sell various things from leather jackets to furniture pieces every weekend. Nonetheless, I didn’t help her out much in the few years I worked for her. I even tried telemarketing, which was a disaster because I would end up having in-depth conversations with random people. I almost got fired a few times but I managed to quit before that happened!

How do you feel your moon, Pluto and Chiron conjunct your MC impacts you? I would imagine that aspect would also have something to do with healing and/or the esoteric and things along those lines. Why did you originally join LL?

posted May 14, 2005 02:34 AM            

You're right, I've usually been exposed in a public persona. It happens without any effort on my part...in that I don't think about it or try to bring it about...at least not consciously.

Always thought I'd be a fighter pilot/test pilot/astronaught but all that reading at a young age affected my eyesight. Now, my eyesight is about 20/15..eagle vision, but way too late. Life's full of little upsets and detours.

Hmmm, the power of persuasion is much more about people liking you than a mechanical formula. Most sales are not made from logic but on emotion...and persistence but if people don't like you, all the persistence in the world will fail.

The only product I ever sold that I later became convinced wasn't such a hot deal was whole life insurance...so I stopped selling whole life insurance and began writing term insurance. Initially, I thought whole life was wonderful...in that a client could purchase, say a $10,000 life insurance policy for a small monthly premium with a cash value building up each year and if they died early on, their beneficiary would get the $10,000, no matter how much they had paid in and if they lived, eventually the cash value of the policy would equal the monthly premiums they had paid in. Kind of a build in savings plan with a guarantee. One day, I did the actual calculations and found the return was less than 1%...if they lived. Insurance companies love agents who sell whole life insurance policies because they have all that excess premium to invest...in things like shopping centers and other ventures which return a much higher rate of return. They weren't happy with me when I stopped selling their high return rate policies...high returns for them. I left the business shortly thereafter. But, there is a little story you might appreciate which shows what persistence can accomplish...providing people don't see you as pushy or threatening.

posted May 14, 2005 02:40 AM            

There was a true story about a Metropolitan Life agent who each year was the top producer for MetLife..not one of the companies I was associated with.

This agent wrote thousands of policies each year, he was not slick, his presentation was nonexistent but he concentrated his efforts and directed them at a large number of people. This is the story.

This agent would go into large buildings, with large companies, with a large secretarial pool, open the door to the secretarial pool and simply ask...so every one could hear, "is there anyone here who needs the protection of life insurance for their family"?

He made the rounds through all the big companies in his city and came back over and over...asking the same question and was the most successful agent MetLife ever had. The most essential element for someone in sales is to find...or create a "need" and fill it.

Let's see, you had in depth conversations with random prospective clients when you were a telemarketer...which means what? You realize that as a sales person, the prospective client either buys into your scenario or you buy into theirs You're telling them all the reasons they should do business with you and they're telling you all the reasons they can't or won't buy....now. OK, last thought on sales. Sales is an acquired skill, persuasion is an acquired skill and it all starts with speaking the same language as your client and filling a need they have now or will have in the future. Sometimes we need to let empathy work for us and not against us!

I'm not so certain that Moon/Chiron in Leo on the Midheaven has a large effect...for me. Sun, Pluto/Leo and Mercury on the Midheaven are a different story and I'm also Scorpio rising, another Pluto connection which probably plays a larger role in my makeup.

There are those who believe Chiron is the wounded healer. I don't know how that relates to me with Chiron in Leo on the Midheaven. Further, with Moon on the Midheaven, in Leo as well, I'm much more likely to take action against those who oppress by lies, deeds and misrepresentations than I am to remain silent. But then, I'm also a Mars in Aries and a 3rd decan Leo, which is a Leo/Aries...so, it appears I'm mostly aggressive about things and people I care about. Perhaps in a past life, I was a wuss

You realize I've been most forthcoming with you, yet I know nothing about you, including your chart information or your reasons for asking these questions....but, I have an inquiring mind, and would like to know.

posted May 14, 2005 01:12 PM            

Well, my vision was never that bad...about 20/30. I wore contacts for years..same prescription and then one day I noticed I could see better without them. Over time, the shape of my eyes changed.

I know some people who have had the Lasik procedure done...who couldn't see the alarm clock from the bed without their glasses or contacts. They love being free of them after years of being dependent.

Money well spent indeed...but they tell me it wasn't cheap.

posted May 14, 2005 01:33 PM              

While in training, I got a stress fracture in my pelvis. I ignored it, but found out that you can't "run through the pain" of a breaking bone - I got a nice little crumbly crack at the bottom part of my right inferior pubic ramus (the lower wing of the "butterfly" of the pelvic bone). I rested for a bit, but then went back into training before being fully healed (because I was 18, super human, and could take it). I was also good enough at hiding pain that I walked without a limp for my physical therapist.
Once back, it, of course, broke some more.

Long story short, a year goes by in a TRADOC environment (not the most fun place to be as a Private), and the Army really doesn't want to let me go because they'd already sunk a bunch of money into a Top Secret Clearance for me (I was to be a 98G, though I think that that's now been folded into 98XL...maybe I have that backwards).
But I had had enough and pushed for a Med Board.
They came back saying that, yes, I am disabled, but disabled at a 0% rating (which got me discharge money but nothing yearly).
A few of my Drills were irate, saying that I should've gotten at least 15% given the severity and duration of my injury, but I hadn't really seen myself as having done anything *for* the Army, so I didn't fight it.

posted May 14, 2005 02:47 PM              

Thinking about it, I had signed up for a six year enlistment (they ran long anyway considering the training length for the MOS) after which I could've fed pretty much directly into the NSA, perhaps the DIA, or re-enlisted, most likely then becoming a warrant (it's my understanding that a large number of those in that MOS who stay past their initial commitment go the warrant route).
I signed-up in the spring/summer 1998.
If I had re-enlisted and had in fact gone through WOCS, I very well may have gone through at the same time as my husband (the Winter/Spring of 2005, allowing for selection board time on my part).
Of course, I wouldn't've known him yet, but we may have still met.

posted May 14, 2005 03:58 PM              

How on earth did your vision improve???? Maybe there’s hope for me. My eyesight has gotten pretty bad in the last 5 years! Reading, lack of sleep and excessive amounts of computer use especially from school has done away with mine eyes. That is one sense I could not live without, since reading and hence learning are so very important to me.

Ok so people either didn’t like me or I wasn’t persistant. Well because they never hung up or insulted me, and many would stay on for a nice chat, I would say that it wasn’t that they didn’t like me. I do channel my emotions in a different, rather altruistic way. I can be too sympathetic, for other peoples’ good. I can’t see how I could channel it any other way, without feeling deceptive in a a way.

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Let's see, you had in depth conversations with random prospective clients when you were a telemarketer...which means what?

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Good question (and insights). It means a few things at different times, but mostly:

1. Yes I bought into their scenario and I am sympathetic to people and their financial situations. I felt better about doing that then pushing or convincing them to buy a product which wasn’t worth their while.

2. If I genuinely believed they would have benefited from the product then I would’ve tried to convince them. They had to sign into long-term contracts for a ton of magazines laden with advertisements and which actually had hidden costs that we weren’t to mention during the sale. And the hook to get them in...oh so cheesy...congratulations, you have been selected to enter our draw for such and such money or such and such entertainment system. Everyone was selected! How would you create a need for a product you believe to be a waste of money (and with such a pathetic script)?

3. I like to understand and get to know people, their experiences and their cultures. And how different people think, communicate and interact with others.

posted May 14, 2005 04:00 PM              

The combination of Sun/Mercury in your 10 th would definitely be more obvious. Plus your rising is in Scorpio (so you would feel the effect of Pluto on the 10 th, or could it be you would think that it is Pluto in that regard when it may be more of your rising, an so Pluto would have a less obvious role to play?). You were undeniably born with strong and aggressive leadership qualities!!

Chiron I myself am still trying to figure out. With your Moon on MC you are more likely to rule with your emotions as well, which have similar origins as your ego/Sun. You have to watch for maintaining a proper balance I suppose I was a “wuss” in a past life too (my south node in pisces 11th house). Still curious to know what drew you to lindaland?

Guess!!!! What do you think are my signs??

posted May 14, 2005 09:15 PM            

Hopefully you won't always know when the weather's going to change.

That's a pretty exotic MOS you had. Mine was 111, very rare

posted May 14, 2005 09:46 PM            

Standing on a corner watching all the girls go by
Standing on a corner underneath the pale blue sky
Brother you don't know a nicer occupation
Matter of fact, neither do I
Than standing on a corner watching all the girls
Watching all the girls, watching all the girls go by

I'm the cat that got the cream
Haven't got a girl but I can dream
Haven't got a girl but I can wish
So I'll take me down to Main street
And that's where I select my imaginary dish

Standing on a corner watching all the girls go by
Standing on a corner giving all the girls the eye
Brother if you've got a rich imagination
Give it a whirl, give it a try
Try standing on a corner watching all the girls
Watching all the girls, watching all the girls go by

Saturday and I'm so broke
Couldn't buy a gal a nickel coke.
Still I'm livin' like a millionaire
When I take me down to Main Street
And I survey the harem parading for me there.

posted May 14, 2005 09:47 PM            

Well, I don't think you failed at telemarketing because people didn't like you...they never met you. But they did sidetrack you and as you said, you bought into their story and probably because you weren't sold on your company or product yourself. Only the deceptive can sell something they don't believe in. There is a vast difference between selling and order taking.

posted May 15, 2005 09:30 PM              

Yes this summer I plan on giving my eyes a rest, and a more healthier workout outdoors

I learned early on that sales (i guess at least on small or petty items) isn’t my thing. Right now I’m teaching or should I say managing and guiding teens (I should be fixing up some coverletters now for new jobs in Sept, and feeling guilty that I’m procrastinating...yes I'm easily led off track when it comes to routine!!). I’m also good at convincing students to buy into the fields of math and science. I won’t back down when it comes to those subjects, and they’re both big ticket items that are hard to sell especially with more and more students being diagnosed with learning disabilities, behavioural problems and ADD/ADHD. So I guess I can sell something
Have you ever taught??

posted May 15, 2005 11:09 PM            

One of the reasons I'm seldom conflicted is because my Moon is in the same sign as my Sun. Most people don't know or forget Leo is a very practical sign so, when issues arise, practical solutions are sought. While some with Leo Moon may be ruled by emotions, that's not me...at least most of the time. Let's say I'm passionate about things and people I care about but underneath that is an analytical Mercury in Virgo which saves me...perhaps.

I was a member of the original Linda Goodman site and later, a member of Conscious Evolution which was the follow on site. I knew someone who was a moderator on the original site and later at another astrology site and then later, here so it was pretty natural I would join and be involved in the various Linda Goodman sites.

posted May 17, 2005 12:26 AM              

I can tell that your sun moon combination in Leo is very practical. And it is a trait that I admire and wish I had more of. Why did you bring up the idea of being conflicted...are you suggesting that I am conflicted? Is practicality always the best way to go about solving a problem? And are you sure your Virgo Mercury really saves you?!? I don’t think your Mercury is what lies “underneath.” It looks like one of the more apparent parts of you.

The original LL site?..how was that and does it still exist? I’ve seen Conscious Evolution before, but I like the format and the topics in this place better...looks much more fun here!