posted July 08, 2005 09:22 AM              

Interesting though that you would perceive Big Daddy as a mirror. Following that analogy, possibly you too possess those elements of his manner/personality/thought processes which sometimes so irk you? And some which you admire?

Or do you believe you are consciously mirroring him so as to teach him a lesson? It's an old strategy. Oddly enough, just yesterday I was discussing with a master of that particular game, that we must learn "to defeat ourselves" in the form of another person. It's an interesting theory, I think. And now I see everyone (myself included) sniffing out people who have the same personality traits, looking for a good fight with themselves. Oh the insanity!

Out of curiosity, what are you trying to teach?

Thanks for bringing up another fun subject!

posted July 08, 2005 12:56 PM            

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Teaselbaby,

I've already had that conversation with Aries-chick here. If you want to believe there's nothing to gain from astrology, you don't have to.

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I didn't say there's nothing to gain from astrology ~ I did, on the other hand, ask you a question. My sister shares your birthday, by the way; she was born in 1976 though.

posted July 08, 2005 05:38 PM            

You haven't been rude to me.

posted July 08, 2005 06:47 PM            

TP.. I don't think having Uranus in Sag makes me feel anything all towards you. If that was the case, I would have Libra's throwing themselves at me - yet I seem to attract earth people..specifically those with Taurus risings (whether they are Earth or Fire it seems).

posted July 08, 2005 07:05 PM            

Here is something else that is kind of funny... You are a Gemini rising ruled by Merc.. and I am a Virgo rising also ruled my Mercury - both of our chart rulers are conjunct the other person's sun sign... and it just so happens that is the Merc sign that drives us crazy LOL

Are you an early or late Gemini rising? Most of the late Taurus rising / early Gemini risings that I have met usually have an immediate reaction to me - especially if they also have Neptune in Sag in their 7th house. My Sun / Venus falls into their 7th house most of the time.

posted July 08, 2005 07:06 PM            

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Interesting though that you would percieve Big Daddy as a mirror. Following that analogy, possibly you too possess those elements of his manner/personality/thought processes which sometimes so irk you? And some which you admire?

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That's a very involved statement. I don't perceive him as a mirror, but, as you suggested later, I intentionally mirror him.

Elements of his manners and thoughts are elements I've had in my youth. In fact, my big argumentative, opinion speaking mouth is eventually what led me to shut up. In Junior High there were a couple of girls in my group of friends whom I would tell my opinion of their singing. Years later, long after starting my journey toward censoring myself one of those girls would not sing around me, because of what happened in Junior High. I couldn't believe it at all! Such a sad, harsh truth to learn. I mean, we were even friends, and she wouldn't sing around me.

It was in Junior High that I learned people weren't all that interested in my every opinion. That's when I started toning down my own aggressive personality. In early High School I looked a couple years older than I was, and I decided that in order to appear older I'd be more quiet. I started noticing how much more you can learn about people when you are quiet.

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Out of curiosity, what are you trying to teach?

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A few things:

- The irony of trying to discredit biased media, whilst also buying into and posting biased media. This is the most fun aspect, because it's the most absurd.

- Name calling doesn't change the facts at hand.

- Changing the subject doesn't change the facts at hand.

- 59 million people voted against his side this past presidential election, and these people have not only worth, but worthy opinions.

- There are good people on both sides of the aisle. Likewise, there are not so great people on either side.

- If a biased media source is the only place you find facts supporting your argument, then you probably don't have an argument to make.

posted July 08, 2005 07:11 PM            

Ascendant Gemini 02°53'38

posted July 08, 2005 10:01 PM              

So you're saying that by nature you're a loudmouth? You keep quiet out of fear of hurting someone? (admirable but sad) You keep still to better observe others? (strategic! But what's the goal? ) Might I be rude and ask how young you are? I notice the Junior High and High School references and I wonder how recent that was. In other words, how far past those experiences you might have progressed. They must been emotionally powerful to have transformed you so.

I'm struck by your "censoring myself" admission. I agree - it is a sad, harsh truth. And a most difficult way to live, I imagine.

Pardon my probing. I'll stop now.

posted July 09, 2005 06:32 AM            

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So you're saying that by nature you're a loudmouth?

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Yeah, but so far removed now I don't remember how to go back. I'm 32, so those events were half a life ago.

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You keep quiet out of fear of hurting someone? (admirable but sad)

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Oh yes, definitely. I hate being the bad guy, or the mean guy. Since getting into astrology I figure it's my lack of water (just Mars in Scorpio), plus my high Air content (I admit it, that's funny ) that makes me a bit insensitive. My Capricorn sun probably also contributes a bit to that, but my capricorn sun is also probably part of the solution to that (because we thrive on being well-liked).

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You keep still to better observe others? (strategic! But what's the goal? )

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There are SO many uses for this.

You're right, it can be strategic. A passive-aggressive capricornian method of retaliation requires careful study of the enemy whereby we generally just sit and wait for the person to undo themself (screw up), and then point it out to them and anyone else that happens to be around. The enemy gets really p!ssed, but they never mess with the Cap anymore.

Mostly, it's awesome to observe others, because you can try to gain insight into people, and make connections and categorize. Like I personally believe left-handers are more emotional, artistic, articulate, and more prone to do well in life (due to their extreme sensitivity to criticism).

Ultimately, that goal is just a tool I want for evaluating people. I want to be able to size people up easily so that I can know how to be around them. For instance, I don't get along with Aries too well, but if I'm stuck talking with one I know topics that are interesting for them include themselves, sports, history, animals, holidays, and music. I also know that they really like to talk, so once I find a subject they like I'm off the hook to try to keep the conversation up myself. Of course, they might notice I have no interest in most of the things that they're into, and I'm not going to be their cheerleader, so they may wander off to find a better audience. If I manage to get through the conversation without p!ssing them off, though, I've likely made a friend, because they are a lot more trusting than I am.

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Might I be rude and ask how young you are? I notice the Junior High and High School references and I wonder how recent that was. In other words, how far past those experiences you might have progressed. They must been emotionally powerful to have transformed you so.

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32, as I said earlier.

They were emotionally powerful come to think of it, but in general I look for lessons as well.

Like never be the person someone is cheating with, because (in my mind due to personal experience) they will always go back, and stay with who they're with.

Always look for subtlety. There are SO many ways a person can tell you something, but you really have to be alert to notice them. I had a Cancer co-worker once who dated a girl that worked at our company temporarily. He never told anyone he was seeing her, and he was shocked that I kept bringing it up. He finally admitted that my suspicions were right.

Aside from general information, though, so many of a person's bad experiences can be linked directly to subtle hints they got along the way. It makes so much sense, you have to stay vigilant in noticing everything you can about a situation. Right now I'm close to learning the lesson about not trying to force into reality what is essentially wishful thinking. I have to learn to let some things be what they are and nothing more.

I believe the next lesson I'm going to learn is how not to antagonize my future bosses. Somehow I always end up in situations where I'm at odds with the person with the most power. Not 'always' just often enough for me to pay attention to that trend.

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I'm struck by your "censoring myself" admission. I agree - it is a sad, harsh truth. And a most difficult way to live, I imagine.

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You get used to it, AND you find outlets for it in other ways. When people are of like minds and values (friends), you can express more of yourself without fear. The negative things I used to spout about people, I now just hold in quietly. People are obvious about how unsettling they are. It's best to just allow most of them to make their mistakes, and only confront if they've done something personally to you.

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posted July 10, 2005 04:37 PM            

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Mercury in the Seventh House

You are attracted to people who seem intelligent, because communicating with others is very important to you, and you enjoy being among friends with whom you can have good talks. You do your best mental work with someone else, because you know how to cooperate in such a way that the two of you get excellent results.

You understand how to get along with others better than most people of your age, and you use this ability to help the people around you get along. You may become known as a peacemaker, because you are able to understand others' points of view.

Mercury in this house may mean that you enjoy a good argument, simply as an exercise of wits. You find that arguing with someone sharpens your understanding.

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posted July 11, 2005 01:21 PM            

My Natal Mercury is in my 4th house.

Mercury was found in the fourth house at the time of your birth. Your inherited constitution and psychological potential is that of a quick and alert person with a natural bent for mental work. There seems to be a physical legacy consisting of manual dexterity and literary inclinations. Your life appears directed to commercialism, business practices, and study.

Generally speaking, your life is characterized by inconsistency. Many changes of residence due to business obligations can result in aggravating the lack of stability. On the positive side, you shall be given reason and all strictly human traits entirely free from bestial emotions.

LOL.... I have MOVED alot in my life- some because of my Dad's moving around and also my own career has taken me to several different states / cities. I think I am finally ready to settle down now though... It does seem to take the Sun in the 4th house person a while to finally come into our own.

Even though I have Merc in Cappy - I also have the chaotic aspects: Merc Square Uranus and Merc Square moon:

Mercury Square Uranus

You are attracted to excitement and exciting ideas, but you may not be a very careful thinker. You tend to jump to conclusions without having enough experience or knowledge. But if you can learn to control your mental energy, this aspect can help you escape from the limits of everyday thinking. You are able to grasp ideas that others cannot even imagine, because you have an unusual ability to think abstractly. But without self-control you will not carry these ideas far enough.

You enjoy challenging other people's beliefs, forcing them to look at their ideas in a new way. This can be very constructive, although it may not be the best way to win friends, especially since you are not very sensitive. By doing this you can genuinely hurt people when you don t need to and shouldn't.

AG... where is your Pluto position? Does it make a square or tense aspect to your Sun? I have Pluto squaring my Sun and it has taken me years to sit back and NOT get into it with person's of authority.

My dad has Pluto in Leo in the 7th house... he has had his fair share of run in's with his authority figures as well... Hmmmmm...

posted July 11, 2005 02:01 PM            

He was one of those stubborn types (Taurus) and I am stubborn as well..so you can see how the was an eternally futile battle.

I resigned though, to move out west and never-the-less, didn't burn any bridges. As much as he hated my ethics and honesty, I think he respected my ability to stand up for myself - at least during the first 4 years. He then started to get wacky (he was 85 at the time) and all bets were off. LOL...

He moved us out of our offices and into cubicles so he could "keep an eye on his science staff". As though we were going to invent something and steal it while being in our offices. He never had the satisifaction of seeing me in the cubicle since I left before he came back from vacation.. Ahh.... sweet victory

Last I heard the company took a nose-dive and their stock has not been able to hit over $1.80 per share.

Yeah..the aspect is tough as you know. I also had the unfortunate luck of being in the middle of a cosmic sandwich a while back (actually, you might be feeling a bit of it residually) where Pluto was playing ping pong between my Sun / Venus and Saturn was in Gemini opposing the hell out of me. Yep.. fun times LOL...

When Pluto goes into Capricorn you'll be feeling it the same as I am. It isn't bad really - especially if you already have Pluto strong in your chart. When it hit my venus I realized that I couldn't settle for less in certain...ummmm venusian ruled areas. The Sun / Pluto conjunction has taught me so much already... and at least it ain't Saturn (I am SO ready for that planet to move into Leo).

Saturn in not all that strong in my chart- it's retrograde in Taurus in my 8th house. The energy is not as familiar to me as Pluto or the Sun / Venus energy in my chart. The cold authority figure that is typical of Saturn makes me want to squirm - yet I know I need those lessons. Saturn in Cancer rocked my poor T-square and it DID teach me about prioritizing in my life. I had let my career rule everything and put family / love on the back-burner.

Everything in Balance.. LOL....

posted July 11, 2005 06:36 PM            

I like to look the chart as a whole, the aspects and house placements. I also spend time on the transits, but not in much of a doomsday manner. I see some people just freaking out over the transits, but we are going to go through them whether we freak or not.

posted July 11, 2005 07:22 PM            

I like the idea of progressions if they bring positive aspects into my life. I think a natal chart is probably the most powerful and lasting bit of a person's makeup, but if we can add to ourselves along the way that would be cool.

This reminded me our conversation earlier:

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Mercury in Sagittarius

Your mind is very curious and you want to know the answers to every question. To learn as much as you can, you ask questions of everyone who might have some new information. You are particularly interested in subjects that study the universe as a whole, such as science, or that cover a broad area of human activity, such as history or social science.

When you believe you are right, you speak very bluntly. You think it is dishonest to speak indirectly in the way that others consider polite. But you must be careful not to hurt people's feelings by your bluntness.

A particular strength of this position of Mercury is that you are able to handle new ideas and concepts that others find hard to accept.

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posted July 11, 2005 08:14 PM            

I do have a filter though and that may be the Mercury in Capricorn (trining my Pluto / Ascendant and my Saturn). Sometimes I can be rather loquacious, but for the most part I have a tendancy to weigh my words before speaking or writing.

I have done that only out of experience (of the negative sort) for blurting out too much and causing too much pain. The old adage "Stick and stones.....but words will never hurt me" is a bunch of bull. There is a fine line between honesty and cruelty depending on the intent of the person.

In my own relationships I am upfront and honest. I just don't blurt everything out and that is even more true in business. I WILL however point out when someone is doing anything unethical or downright illegal.