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Cardinalgal
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posted July 07, 2005 07:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just heard on the news that there have been several bomb blasts in London this morning.
3 double decker buses have been blown up and there have been devices found at several tube stations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659093.stm

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posted July 07, 2005 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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"The important thing is this: to be able at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become." Charles Dubois

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posted July 07, 2005 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Group Claims Responsibility

A previously unknown group, "Secret Group of Al Qaeda's Jihad in Europe," claimed responsibility in the name of Al Qaeda for the blasts, saying they were in retaliation for Britain's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The group claimed the attack in a Web-site posting and also warned Italy and Denmark to withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Arabic satellite television station Al-Jazeera said it had received a phone call from the same group claiming responsibility.

Neither claim could be verified.

The Web site carrying the posting is popular with Islamic militants, according to Elaph, a secular Arabic-language news Web site, and Der Spiegel magazine in Berlin, which published the text on its German- and English-language Web sites.

"Rejoice, Islamic nation. Rejoice, Arab world. The time has come for vengeance against the Zionist crusader government of Britain in response to the massacres Britain committed in Iraq and Afghanistan," said the statement, as translated by The Associated Press in Cairo. "The heroic mujahedeen carried out a blessed attack in London, and now Britain is burning with fear and terror, from north to south, east to west."

FBI and Justice Department officials say that it was still too early to determine that the London attacks were the work of Al Qaeda.

One U.S. counterterrorism official emphasized to FOX News that in previous Al Qaeda attacks, such as on Sept. 11, 2001, and the embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, there was no immediate claim of responsibility.

The group making the London terror attack claims has not been heard of before. While many are drawing comparisons to the terrorist bombings on four commuter trains in Madrid on March 11, 2004, that killed 191 people. But the official noted that the Madrid attacks were carried out by a group that was inspired by Al Qaeda and not one in which Usama bin Laden himself ordered the attack.

What is of interest in Thursday's attacks in London is the extreme coordination, the rush-hour hit for maximum casualties and that the attacks targeted the transit system, counterterrorism officials told FOX News. In London's case, the sites hit provided opportunity for maximum casualties since some, but not all, of the stations involved were both commuter train and subway hubs.

"It was chaos," said Gary Lewis, 32, who was evacuated from a subway train at King's Cross station. "The one haunting image was someone whose face was totally black and pouring with blood."

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The disgusting behaviour of those that use murder / terrorist attacks on innocent people to get their inane point across has got to stop. Whether it comes out to be linked to a militant Islamic group or an anti-G8 group, it is STILL terrorist.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161768,00.html

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ozonefiller
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posted July 07, 2005 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My condolences to you and the peoples of your country Cardinalgal, I only hope for the asured safety of Britans and swift recuperation for the victims and they're families of this horrible event!

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The disgusting behaviour of those that use murder / terrorist attacks on innocent people to get their inane point across has got to stop. Whether it comes out to be linked to a militant Islamic group or an anti-G8 group, it is STILL terrorist.

...and I couldn't agree with you more Pid, but most of the troops from both the US and the UK are over in some desert fighting for oil for corporate interests, instead of protecting the citizens from those maniacs who come out from some dirty holes called "terrorist cells" that rest in our very own countries waiting to attack us "one more time"!

But what could we do?! I guess we have to deal with it!

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pidaua
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posted July 07, 2005 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ozone,

Really? Can you prove it? Or is that just your own conspiracy mind making up delusional stories about Corporate America backing the troops. Give it up. This isn't to the time to spout your Anti-American crap.

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PeacefulWarrior
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posted July 07, 2005 05:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am new to this site, but I have been reading everyones posts for some time. Unfortunately my first post will come at at time when gravity permeates throughout the global conscious. The recent attacks on London are yet another example of the push for a centralized global fascist order. It is clear that British Intelligence new of the attacks, yet still allowed them to happen. Another terrorist attack was inevitable because of growing public skepticism over the war in Iraq and the fight against terrorism. I know this claim may seem outrageous to many of you, but I urge you to take a moment and free your mind of misconception. I can't take all day, but try going to davidicke.com. This site will explain everything. Before you become too quick to dismiss the idea, remember that is unique individuals like yourselfs who have to innate sensibility to trust your intuition, but also allow new thoughts and ideas in. Thanks all

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pidaua
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posted July 07, 2005 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Peaceful.... maybe you could take your own advice and free your mind of the delusion of being in the quagmire of a conspiracy theory. Post some facts (and not David Icke's lizard man crap)

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PeacefulWarrior
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posted July 07, 2005 07:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidaua, I can't believe you get your news from Fox. It is far and away one of the least credible sources of news in existence. As far as deception goes, it is you who has been deceived by the propaganda of the corporate media. By the way I will have facts to come in the future, although they won't be facts to you because the stories will not come from the most heavily filtered, fascist source of news around. Just a couple of parting thoughts. 1) How is the supposed barbarianism of the fundamentalists any different from our innocent slaughtering of Iraqi citizens....except in scale. And 2) If terrorists really are a concern and you really want to succumb to a constructed fear campaign then I suggest you never get in an automobile again because you're chances of dying in a car accident as opposed to terrorist attacks is much higher. (By the way, nothing I say is a personal attack against you. I like most everyone I come in contact with and hope to keep it that way)

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posted July 07, 2005 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LMAO..I get my news from multiple sources... I have to, especially with my new position. I have to watch everything- the attack is something my group has to prepare for in case it should happen in this county. Terrorist attacks ARE a concern... as it is my BUSINESS.. it is what I do.. and unfortunately I am privey to more information than others since I deal in Bioterrorism for humans and animals.

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TINK
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posted July 07, 2005 08:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello there Peaceful Warrior

I see that you recommend David Icke's site. Most of us here are familiar with him and we've had a few healthy debates about his theories. I have visited it in that past. I found that sorting out the plausible from the ridiculous was a tiresome effort. Curiously, I feel the same way about Fox.

Looking forward to your "facts to come in the future".

Pid ~ you are the best GU Welcoming Committee I can think of. Who better than a saggie to come galloping through the gates?

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ozonefiller
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posted July 07, 2005 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You need to excuse Pidaua Peaceful, she seems to make of certain that of anything that would make one wonder with doubt over the policies that the current American government has with those other countries that involved with the war in Iraq, has to be an "Anti-American" and she should know, she's one of those "Academic elitists", she either believes in absolute scientific-reasoning to things or absolute scientific-facts "founding" that only get spoon fed to her through "environ-mental hypnosis", juuuust liiiike thhheeee waaaaay Duuuubya spee..taaalks!

What do you expect from someone that splices fish genes and goes to LL to seek anyone that might be prejudice against those certain astrology sun-signs on her spare time?!

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TINK
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posted July 07, 2005 08:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is that true, pid? Do you splice fish genes? Naaaahhh. I don't believe it. pid wouldn't do that. She's got more sense than that.

How have you been ozone? Haven't seen you around in a bit.

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ozonefiller
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posted July 07, 2005 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been pretty busy myself Tink, working and all, either doing odd jobs or painting or moving people around, this is the time to do it too ya know!

Gotta make that quota before the first snow flies!


Howz things around here(as in LL and all)? Good I hope!

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pidaua
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posted July 07, 2005 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No TINK. I work in bioterrorism for my county. I conduct surveillance on syndromes and watch infectious diseases. I write the response plans for any terrorist attack that should occur in this county or along our Border with Mexico. Most of this is based on my background in microbiology and infectious diseases. Every state and county has this type of Unit and we all work independently and together planning for event such as what occured in London and Madrid.

At the same time we also use our same plans for responses to natural outbreaks such as Pertussis (an epidemic now here in Arizona) and Influenza. We run drills similar to what Homeland Security did in New York (with the inert gas) to test our response capabilities.

I no longer work in biotech research and I never worked on gene splicing. Mine was mostly microbiological methods of detection and environmentally friendly larvicides.


But yes, I am working in Bioterrorism. Of course Ozone would have to say something as assnine as me being an elitist, which is an absurd notion. What is even more of a joke is that I somehow derive my thoughts from some kind of environmental something or other...wouldn't that go against being an Earth hating Republican LOL...(another one of Ozone's accusations).

I do what I do at half of what I used to get paid because I feel like I am doing something for my community. Even in my last position I conducted research that would benefit people and the environment. So in a nutshell Ozone, I put myself through college so that I could come out and try to make things easier for people through my chosen profession. You can say that I put my money where my mouth is instead of constantly complaining about it.

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posted July 07, 2005 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No TINK. I work in bioterrorism for my county. I conduct surveillance on syndromes and watch infectious diseases. I write the response plans for any terrorist attack that should occur in this county or along out Border with Mexico. Most of this is based on my background in microbiology and infectious diseases. Every state and county has this type of Unit and we all work independently and together planning for event such as what occured in London and Madrid.

Hmmm... just like London and Madrid you say? Well, I watched the news today and spokes people in Washington are saying that you guys are doing a pretty crappy job at protecting us! I guess that your staff needs to cut down on your(2 a day) 1 hour coffie breaks and 2 hour lunch breaks and get crackin' already, Bush can't waste anymore time scaring the crap out of Americans in other countries!

What are you guys doing, impressing eachother with your "know how"? Do you guys rate each other with an "OOOOOOOO!" and an "AHHHHHHHH!"?!

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pidaua
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posted July 07, 2005 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, you would say that Ozone. Your bitterness overshadows any wit you may have. I feel sorry for you.

How horrible you are to laugh at the expense of the people horribly killed in London. What kind of sick human being are you? God, get some help you embarrass yourself.

I don't even care if you attack me or what I do, that's fine since you can't even fathom the depths of responses to emergency. But to use terrorist attacks to justify your own hatred or bitterness is just plain vile. You make me want to puke.

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ozonefiller
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posted July 07, 2005 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Stop Pid! Stop trying to convince everybody on this forum that I'm this mean evil human-being by twisting my words and using scare tactics over another terrorist attack in Europe!

It sure seems to me that it's not the terrorist that want to make an effect over providing a movement of a conservative ideology by killing a few people just to keep those ratings up for the Bush adimastration over here and then the rest of the world!

But you know, you do such a good job at being a spokes person for Bush rather then protecting Americans(or that is what we're really paying you for)!

Don't worry Pid, I'm only laughing at you though!

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TINK
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posted July 07, 2005 09:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Things are progressing along just fine, ozone. Thank you for asking. Not sure about LL. After my Jesus police fiasco on another thread, I've kept to GU where its calm and safe.

pid, that sounds like an interesting job. Must scare the crap out of you sometimes though.

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posted July 07, 2005 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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pid, that sounds like an interesting job. Must scare the crap out of you sometimes though.

Of what, being a spokes person for Bush?!

Naaaahhhh! I don't believe her about Bush!

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TINK
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posted July 07, 2005 09:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, that's not what I meant, but being a spokesperson for Bush would certainly scare the crap out of anyone.

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ozonefiller
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posted July 07, 2005 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah Tink, now wouldn't that be something to do!

But alot of people seem to be doing that for him lately!

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Petron
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posted July 08, 2005 01:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

British Officials Say They Had No Warning


By DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: July 7, 2005

LONDON, July 7 - For nearly four decades, this city has been on almost perpetual high alert for terror attacks. Again last month, police officials warned that a large-scale attack in Britain was inevitable. But this morning, the police and the intelligence services, considered by their peers to be among the best in the world, were taken by surprise by the coordinated bombings of the London underground and a crowded city bus.
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Attacks in London

There was no warning or even a hint that an attack was imminent among the blizzard of intelligence accumulated in recent days by the Metropolitan Police and MI5, the domestic intelligence services, according to police and counterterrorism officials. "There was no intelligence in our possession that these attacks were going to take place today," Cmdr. Brian Paddick of the Metropolitan Police said. "We were given no warning from any organization that this was going to happen."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/07/international/europe/07cnd-intel.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5094&en=f1b5c46ca6728ec9&hp&ex=1120795200&partner=homepage

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Petron
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posted July 08, 2005 01:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning

By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 7, 7:14 AM ET

JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.


Israeli Finance Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties.

Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position.

The Israeli Embassy was in a state of emergency after the explosions in London, with no one allowed to enter or leave, said the Israeli ambassador to London, Zvi Hefet.

All phone lines to the embassy were down, said Danny Biran, an Israeli Foreign Ministry official.

The ministry set up a situation room to deal with hundreds of phone calls from concerned relatives. Thousands of Israelis are living in London or visiting the city at this time, Biran said.

Amir Gilad, a Netanyahu aide, told
Israel Radio that Netanyahu's entourage was receiving updates all morning from British security officials, and "we have also asked to change our plans."

Netanyahu had been scheduled to stay in London until Sunday, but that could change, Gilad said.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

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posted July 08, 2005 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Prior warning...BS

Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:43 a.m. EDT
Israel: Our Information Came After Blast

This article was written by Julie Stahl, CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief

Israel's Finance Minister and former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on his way to address British businessmen at a London hotel when the first bomb exploded in a nearby London Underground station Thursday morning.

Israel denies reports that Netanyahu had received advance information about the attacks and was warned to stay away before the blasts happened.

Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev dismissed those reports as "rubbish."

Regev said he wanted to make it unequivocally clear: "All our information was afterwards."

Netanyahu's adviser Amir Gilad explained what had happened in a radio interview.

"We were exactly on our way to the hotel [located over a subway station - the first one to blow up," Gilad said.

"We were asked by the British security sources not to arrive at the hotel. Still it was not clear what was happening. We stayed in the hotel where we were guests," Gilad said.

Netanyahu was due to open a large conference at the time of the explosion, Gilad added.

"Now we are receiving updates all morning from British security sources that are speaking about terror attacks in the underground train and also in buses throughout the city," he said.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had no immediate comment on the attack on London.

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said that Israel was standing with the British at this time, and he said that Israel has long warned that terrorism is a problem not only for Israel but for the entire Western world as well.

"Terrorism can attack every country in the world that has the ideology of freedom, of democracy," Shalom said in a radio interview.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/7/104644.shtml

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alchemiest
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posted July 08, 2005 11:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only 'silver lining', if it can even be called that, of this whole terrible affair is that the death toll was not higher- 40 dead and 700 wounded, which is awful as it is, but not nearly as bad as it could potentially have been. If you guys have been on the subway in london, you know just how crowded it can get. It could have been a thousand times worse. Thank goodness it wasn't!

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