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jwhop
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posted July 13, 2005 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Globaloney & Poppycock
Phil Brennan
Wednesday, July 13, 2005


I called it Globaloney, which I thought was a creative way to describe the mass hysteria known as global warming, now commonly referred to as "climate change."

Now Comes Professor David Bellamy (see credentials below) with what I think is a much better and more down-to-earth description that says it all in one simple word: "poppycock"!

Writing in Britain's Daily Mail July 9, Dr. Bellamy charges that "the world's politicians and policy makers ... have an unshakeable faith in what has, unfortunately, become one of the central credos of the environmental movement. Humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to heat up.
"They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock. Unfortunately, for the time being, it is their view that prevails.

"As a result of their ignorance, the world's economy may be about to divert billions, nay trillions of pounds, dollars and rubles into solving a problem that actually doesn't exist. The waste of economic resources is incalculable and tragic."

The global warming theory prevails principally because it gives the promoters of this classic example of junk science an opportunity to impose all sorts of restrictions on human activity that will help them accomplish their real goal: a global socialist government.

Think I'm exaggerating? Stop for a moment and take a hard look at those politicians behind the global warming fiction. Begin with the grandfather of the movement, Mikhail Gorbachev, an unrepentant socialist who never gave up on the idea of a world socialist order after socialism wrecked the Soviet Union. Communism having failed, global warming is his new mechanism for achieving his goal.

Among the world leaders lusting after adoption of the Kyoto Treaty - a dandy little mechanism for wrecking free enterprise economies such as our own - are:

France's Jacques Chirac - Socialist

Germany's Gerhard Schroeder - Socialist

Britain's Tony Blair - Socialist

Spain's Jose Luís Rodríguez Zapatero - Socialist

Etc., etc.

Needless to say, the socialist-minded U.S. media does everything in their power to promote global warming, frequently portraying any soul hardy enough to dispute the theory as an uninformed red state yahoo.

Get the picture?

Once you accept the notions that global warming is real and threatens to barbecue all of us; is a result of the increase in atmospheric levels of CO2; is largely due to us evil old humans burning fossil fuels and cooking on backyard barbecues, you can be convinced that our global big brothers can prevent a catastrophe by imposing all sorts of coercive global rules and regulations.

Needless to say, if mankind is going to take such harsh measures bound to cripple the economies of such outlaw nations as the United States - allegedly the world's worst polluter and burner of fossil fuels and serial practitioner of backyard barbecuing - somebody has to be in charge. And that somebody would in effect have to be equipped with dictatorial powers that would enable him (or her) to impose a lot of laws that would in the end reduce us all to the status of subjects of the new absolute global authority - a status none of us really wants to endure.

So, what's the real deal with global warming?

Wrote Dr. Bellamy: "Whatever the experts say about the howling gales, thunder and lightning we've had over the past two days, of one thing we can be certain. Someone, somewhere - and there is every chance it will be a politician or an environmentalist - will blame the weather on global warming.

"But they will be 100 per cent wrong. Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a myth. I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy makers are not."

Noting that "a recent scientific paper, rather unenticingly titled 'Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Concentrations Over the Last Glacial Termination,' ... showed that increases in temperature are responsible for increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, not the other way around" and he cited a petition "produced by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, which has been signed by over 18,000 scientists who are totally opposed to the Kyoto Protocol, which committed the world's leading industrial nations to cut their production of greenhouse gasses from fossil fuels.

"They say: 'Predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in minor greenhouse gasses like carbon dioxide are in error and do not conform to experimental knowledge.'"

Note that the study Dr. Bellamy quoted stated that "increases in temperature are responsible for increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, not the other way around." This is the key to the whole thing.

In a column last February (The Myth of Greenhouse Gases) I cited the book "Not by Fire but by Ice," by Robert W. Felix, who, I wrote, argued persuasively that it is not global warming but ocean warming that is pushing CO2 levels through the roof. Moreover, those skyrocketing levels of CO2 are bringing on a new ice age, which is sitting at our front door right now.

Here's how he puts it: "If today's rising carbon dioxide levels are caused by humans, then what caused the dramatic rise in CO2 levels at the dinosaur extinction?

"Research shows that there was 'a sudden and dramatic rise' in carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere at the dinosaur extinction of 65 million years ago. ... [T]today's rise in CO2 levels can be attributed to our warming oceans. After all, the oceans are known as a carbon dioxide 'sink,' especially when the water is cold.

"But as the water warms up, it releases CO2 into the atmosphere. This happens in much the same way that a warm bottle of home-brewed root beer will release CO2. And if you give that CO2 no way to escape, the bottle will explode. We've got it backwards. We've got cause and effect in reverse. The CO2 is not causing global warming. Instead, our warming oceans are releasing CO2 into the atmosphere. It's not global warming, it's ocean warming, and it's leading us into an ice age."

According to Felix, the oceans are warming as the result of widespread underwater volcanic activity, which he thoroughly documents. He adds that "We've forgotten that this isn't the first time our seas have warmed. Sea temperatures also shot upward 10º to 18ºF just prior to the last ice age. As the oceans warmed, evaporation increased. The excess moisture then fell to the ground as giant blizzards, giant storms and floods (Noah's Deluge type floods), and a new ice age began."

And he warns, "The same thing is happening today. Underwater volcanic activity in the Arctic Ocean far stronger than anyone ever imagined!"

In that column I wrote that "the rise of CO2, now about 370 parts per million and rapidly climbing, was being blamed on us evil humans for using fossil fuels, driving SUVs and barbecuing frankfurters on our backyard grills. [The global warming fanatics] ignore the proven fact that over millions of years, every time CO2 levels have risen above 200 parts per million, an ice age has occurred.

"And in past ice ages, we weren't around to cause the levels to rise. Mother Nature did it all on her own, and she doesn't drive an SUV."

Felix has demonstrated convincingly that rising levels of CO2 are the result of ocean warming, not because of human activities, and that high levels of CO2 cause vastly increased precipitation, which results in vastly increased snowfall in moderate temperature zones and in the polar regions, which in turn brings on ice ages.

In short, he has told us the reason why CO2 levels have gone through the roof, what caused those levels to increase and what the result will be.

Wrote Dr. Bellamy, "It has been estimated that the cost of cutting fossil fuel emissions in line with the Kyoto Protocol would be £76 trillion [$1.3 trillion]. Little wonder, then, that world leaders are worried. So should we all be.

"If we signed up to these scaremongers, we could be about to waste a gargantuan amount of money on a problem that doesn't exist - money that could be used in umpteen better ways: fighting world hunger, providing clean water, developing alternative energy sources, improving our environment, creating jobs.

"The link between the burning of fossil fuels and global warming is a myth. It is time the world's leaders, their scientific advisers and many environmental pressure groups woke up to the fact."

Amen.

*Professor David Bellamy OBE, Oxford

David Bellamy is one of the most recognizable faces and voices in conservation and ecology today. He is the author of over 40 books and the writer and presenter of some 400 television programs. His presidencies include the Wildlife Trusts Partnership, the British Naturalists Association and the Galapagos Conservation Trust. David's commitment and energy have been recognized with numerous honors and awards both at home and abroad.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/7/12/192037.shtml

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posted July 13, 2005 07:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


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Listen, I recognize that the surface of the Earth is warmer and that an increase in greenhouse gases caused by humans is contributing to the problem......junior

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050706-3.html

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posted July 13, 2005 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Petron, a picture of Bush won't cut it in a discussion of facts about ocean warming...and the coming of a new Ice Age.

Hey, if it makes you feel better, then...why not. You on the left need something to take your minds off all your political defeats.

Don't you have something to post from one of the leading lights of the hysterical global warming loons? I recall a veterinarian at the forefront of the movement..though I can't remember his name. Perhaps you could find a plumber to bolster the global warming theory.

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posted July 13, 2005 08:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't even try to refute that info. I don't know enough to make a judgement. I do know that we mustn't stop burning fossill fuels, though. If we did Cheney would have the BIG ONE!!!!!!

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posted July 13, 2005 08:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sorry Petron, a picture of Bush won't cut it..-jwhop

that was a statement of fact by junior himself jwhop

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posted July 13, 2005 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well SC, that's very compassionate of you..sparing Cheney the "big one" by continuing to drive your SUV. I salute you!

Look Petron, Bush isn't a scientist. He must rely on whatever advisors tell him. He also isn't nearly as articulate as you are in his speech patterns. I don't know that Bush is confused, don't know who is advising him or even if he's every heard of Ocean warming and the consequences. Ocean warming is a fact and it's driving atmospheric CO2 levels higher.

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posted July 13, 2005 09:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
look jwhop...bush just said that july 6....before going to the g8......he has plenty of science to back him up....especially on ocean warming....

*****

World News

February 19, 2005

Why global warming is not natural
By Mark Henderson, Science Correspondent
Report from the American Association for the Advancement of Science
THE strongest evidence yet that global warming has been triggered by human activity has emerged from a study of rising temperatures in the oceans.

The rise in marine temperatures — by an average of 0.5C (0.9F) in 40 years — can be explained only if greenhouse gas emissions are responsible, research has shown. The results are so compelling that they should end controversy about the causes of climate change, one of the scientists who led the study said yesterday.

“The debate about whether there is a global warming signal now is over, at least for rational people,” said Tim Barnett, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California. “The models got it right. If a politician stands up and says the uncertainty is too great to believe these models, that is no longer tenable.”

Dr Barnett’s team examined seven million observations of temperature, salinity and other variables in the world’s oceans collected by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and compared the patterns with those predicted by computer models of potential causes of climate change.

Natural variation in the Earth’s climate, or changes in solar activity or volcanic eruptions, which have been suggested as alternative explanations for rising temperatures, could not explain the data collected in the real world. Models based on man-made emissions of greenhouse gases matched the observations almost precisely.

“What absolutely nailed it was the greenhouse model,” Dr Barnett told the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference in Washington. Two models, one designed in Britain and one here in the US, got it almost exactly. We were stunned.”

Climate change has affected the seas in different ways in different parts of the world: in the Atlantic, rising temperatures can be observed up to 2,300ft below the surface, while in the Pacific the warming is seen only up to 330ft down.

Only the greenhouse models replicated the changes that have been observed in practice. “All the potential culprits have been ruled out except one,” Dr Barnett said.

The results, which are about to be submitted for publication in a peer-reviewed journal, should increase pressure on the US Administration to sign the Kyoto Protocol, which came into force this week, he said. “It is time for nations that are not part of Kyoto to re-evaluate and see if it would be to their advantage to join,” he said. “The debate is not — have we got a clear global warming signal; the debate is — what we are going to do about it.”

In a separate study a team led by Ruth Curry, of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Connecticut, has established that 20,000 sq km of freshwater ice melted in the Arctic between 1965 and 1995. Further melting on this scale could be sufficient to turn off the ocean currents that drive the Gulf Stream, which keeps Britain up to 6C warmer than it would otherwise be.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1490248,00.html

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posted July 13, 2005 09:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.

Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons). Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the quivalent of nearly 17,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 13.2 tonnes/year)!
http://www.sciencemaster.com/jump/earth/gases.php

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posted July 13, 2005 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Petron, that article proves nothing.

Ocean warming has been tied to volcanic activity...under the oceans. You've probably seen pictures of lava flows along the volcanic riffs...under water.

There are many other reasons why scientists want to learn more about hydrothermal vents. These underwater geysers are believed to play an important role in the ocean's temperature, chemistry, and circulation patterns. http://www.ocean.udel.edu/kiosk/bsmoker.html

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posted July 13, 2005 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're not talking about volcanoes...above the ground, although they do emit a great deal of CO2 into the atmosphere.

The oceans are the natural CO2 sinks which absorb CO2 and release that same CO2 when ocean temperatures rise...as they are now.

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posted July 13, 2005 09:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts.


Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons)[ ( Marland, et al., 1998) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2.]. Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of nearly 17,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 13.2 million tonnes/year)!
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html

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posted July 13, 2005 09:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now there you go assuming things again jwop. But then, you do it so well. Sorry, no SUV here. Very small fuel efficiant vehicle.

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posted July 14, 2005 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe you should try to jump-start the brains over at ScienceMaster Petron. Perhaps something as simple as just flipping the switch to on. Right now, it would seem there is no intellectual activity going on over there.

13.2 Tons of CO2 emitted from Kilauea per year???

Try 8,000 tonnes per day on for size Petron. Even without my calculator, that's about 3 Million Tonnes per year...from one volcano.


Exploring Kilauea's 'tiny bubbles'
Posted by HVO (*Hawaiian Volcano Observatory) at 3:23 PM on Jun 13, 2003

"Much of the buoyant CO2 floats to the top of the chamber and leaks out through the roof, escaping to the atmosphere through surface vents and fumaroles-more than 8,000 tonnes each day. The magma, however, almost continuously leaks out through the side of the balloon and is currently being erupted at Pu`u `O`o." http://www.hawaiinews.com/archives/volcano_watch/000163.shtml

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posted July 14, 2005 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww SC, you'd look great in a Lincoln Navigator. Red, or black?

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