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jwhop
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posted July 30, 2005 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rice Urges World to Stop Making Excuses for Terrorists
NewsMax.com Wires
Saturday, July 30, 2005
WASHINGTON -– The U.S. secretary of state wants people to stop making excuses for terrorists.

In an interview aired July 28 on PBS's "Jim Lehrer NewsHour," Condoleezza Rice fairly bristled at the suggestion that the United States was creating terrorists with its policies. "When are we going to stop making excuses for the terrorists and saying that somebody is making them do it?" Rice said.
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Rice said terrorists are simply evil people who want to kill. They are attempting to implicate the 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide in their schemes. "They want to kill in the name of a perverted ideology that really is not Islam, but they somehow want to claim that mantle to say that this is about some kind of grievance," she said. "This isn't about some kind of grievance. This is an effort to destroy, rather than to build."
Rice pointed out that terrorists struck the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, with no provocation. "We weren't in Iraq. We weren't even in Afghanistan on Sept. 11," she said.

American servicemembers have died protecting the rights of Muslims in Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. Terrorists have embraced the ideology of violent extremism by their own choice. "No one is making them do it," Rice said. "They're doing it because they want to create chaos and to undermine our way to life."

The secretary said terrorists have attacked innocents all over the world. "They've attacked in Morocco and in Bali and in Egypt and in London and in Madrid," she said. "And until everybody in the world calls it by name - the evil that it is - (and) stops making excuses for them, then I think we're going to have a problem."

She said she hopes that after the recent bombings in England and Egypt and the suicide bombing that killed children getting candy from American soldiers in Baghdad "that people will call this by name and stop making excuses for these people."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/7/29/204707.shtml

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ozonefiller
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posted July 30, 2005 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah, I just think that the Iraq War just makes better training ground for the terrorists to work better under extreme pressure to make such strikes against England and Egypt!

I never said that anyone was making them do "it", but I think that someone is helping them do "it" rather!

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AcousticGod
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posted July 30, 2005 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm here too, Jwhop. I'm even drunk at present if you're still up. I appreciate that you still get your due even when I'm away. Maybe we can turn this into Global Unity after all.

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alchemiest
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posted July 30, 2005 10:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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alchemiest, you are not going to get away with portraying what a small number of racist people did in the US as the norm for the country. Nor will I let you forget that the US Congress and the President signed into law the legislation guaranteeing equal protection under the law and outlawing separate but equal laws or that the National Guard was sent into the South to enforce desegregation of the schools...over the objections of southern governors. I will remind you of the Voting rights Act enacted under LBJ and the Civil Rights Act under LBJ supported by a wide margin of Republicans and resisted by almost every southern Democrat politician..including Algore's father and Bill Clinton's mentor, William Fulbright.

King's peaceful demonstrations worked only because most of the people in the US were decent and believed that civil rights meant civil rights...and the same rights for everyone.

You've already admitted the British didn't kill Gandhi. I don't know exactly what point you were trying to make? You aren't confusing the British military with the British people are you?


Jwhop, I am not trying to 'get away' with anything. Are you telling me that one day, everyone just woke up and realized that MLK was right and everything was going to be just dandy from then on between the races? Are you forgetting the violence meted out by, let me remind you, a huge number of people against African Americans at that time? Let me also remind you that this was SUPORTED by a huge number of people. Was this either decent or humane? It's not a question of democrats vs. republicans, so don't try to turn it into that. If the US possessed either humaneness or decency in their dealings with African Americans, then slavery would never have existed in the first place. I am not saying that this is how it is today- we have evolved. But do not try to make it sound as though one day, the benevolent people of the US, oozing humaneness and decency, brought a full stop to all the atrocities that they were committing.
With regard to the question if India's independence, although it was not the British who asssassinated Gandhi, they could hardly be called decent and humane just because of that, as you seem to imply. Yes, they shot unarmed protestors. Yes, they killed other people fighting for freedom in the country. They didn't kill gandhi. They imprisoned him. The official British body was responsible for most of these things. However, they were supported by not only the government, but the vast majority of the British population both, in Britain as well as India. The racist attitude towards Indians did not cease at any point during this time.
You want to know what made the British leave India? It wasn't an 'awakening' of any kind of decency or humaneness- it was simply the fact that WW2 effectively booted them from the 'circle of power' that existed amongst the western presences in the Middle Eastern region (including India). It was simply too expensive to maintain control of all their colonies, and so they let them go. Not before they used Indian soldiers 9often as buffers) to push their own stance in WW2, of course. Read up on it sometime.
I find it interesting that you seem so ready to defend the aggressors who are homogenous with your own cultural affiliation.

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jwhop
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posted July 30, 2005 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
alchemiest, there isn't any need to go further than this to puncture your "inhumane/no good Americans" balloon.

The KKK, the racist group responsible for most of the racial violence, racial bias and discrimination you talk about reached the height of their power and popularity in the 1920's. Records from the time reflect Klan membership at about 4 million members nationwide and it declined rapidly after reaching those numbers. The census of the United States for the year 1930 showed the US population to be 123.2 million. I don't even need a calculator to see that's about 3% of the US population. 97% of Americans didn't buy into the racial bigotry you complain about as drawing "huge numbers".

Don't you just hate it when one of your cherished reasons to hate the United States and it's people bites the dust?

I know you don't want to discuss this in terms of dimocrats and Republicans..and I know why you don't.

The membership of the KKK and other racist groups were mostly Democrats. The political party which attempted to thwart the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act were Democrats and some of those Democrats have direct ties to the leftist icons Algore and Commander Corruption. Conversely, it was the Republicans who voted for both Acts and assured their passage.

BTW alchemiest, I'm culturally, ideologically and by birth, an American.

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alchemiest
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posted July 30, 2005 08:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL! I don't hate America at all, I assure you Jwhop.
If you wish to imply that it was the KKK that was solely responsible for discrimination and prejudice against Blacks in that era, then it is you and not I who are mistaken. As I said before, if the nation at the time were humane and decent, the issue of slavery wouldn't have existed in the first place.

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TINK
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posted July 31, 2005 03:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Records from the time reflect Klan membership at about 4 million members nationwide and it declined rapidly after reaching those numbers. The census of the United States for the year 1930 showed the US population to be 123.2 million. I don't even need a calculator to see that's about 3% of the US population. 97% of Americans didn't buy into the racial bigotry you complain about as drawing "huge numbers"."

I'm confused. 3% percent of the country are KKK members. From there we draw the conclusion that the remaining 97% hold no racist views??? Are we assuming that all racists are also on the KKK roll call? They wish.

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jwhop
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posted August 01, 2005 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well alchemiest, there must have been a decent and humane person or two in the US when the civil war which killed hundreds of thousands of Americans was fought over the issue and abolished slavery and involuntary servitude after the war. Gee, I wonder how that happened?

I'd also point out Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and the President who outlawed the KKK was Grant, another Republican

So alchemiest, what portion of the American population do you estimate to be "decent and humane"?

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jwhop
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posted August 01, 2005 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh no TINK not at all, there are racists in every ethnic group but to brand an entire nation as racist is a real stretch. To extrapolate to a position that Americans are not decent and humane is also stretching reality.

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AcousticGod
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posted August 01, 2005 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

In 1924 at the Democratic national convention, a resolution denouncing the white-supremacist Ku Klux Klan was introduced. After considerable debate, the resolution failed by a single vote. This resolution later passed during the 1948 national convention as part of a larger resolution endorsing civil rights.

The New Deal Coalition began to fracture as more Democratic leaders voiced support for civil rights, upsetting the party's base of Southern Democrats. When Harry Truman's platform displayed support for civil rights and anti-segregation laws during the 1948 Democratic National Convention, many Southern Democratic delegates split from the party and formed the "Dixiecrats", led by South Carolina governor Strom Thurmond (who, as a U.S. Senator, would later join the Republican party). Over the next few years, many white Democrats in the "Solid South" drifted away from the party. On the other hand, African-Americans, who had traditionally given strong support to the Republican party since its inception as the "anti-slavery party", shifted to the Democratic party due to its New Deal economic opportunities and support for civil rights.

The party's dramatic reversal on civil rights issues culminated when Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed into law the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Republicans began their Southern strategy, which aimed to woo the conservative Southern Democrats. Southern Democrats took notice of the fact that 1964 Republican Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater had voted against the Civil Rights Act (an unusual departure from his previous support for such legislation), and in the presidential election of 1964, Goldwater's only electoral victories outside his home state of Arizona were in the states of the deep south.

The degree to which the Southern Democrats had abandoned the party became evident in the 1968 Presidential election when every former Confederate state except Texas voted for either Republican Richard Nixon or independent George Wallace, the latter a former Southern Democrat. Defeated Democrat Hubert Humphrey's electoral votes came mainly from the Northern states, marking a dramatic shift from the 1948 election 20 years earlier, when the losing Republican candidate's electoral votes were mainly concentrated in the Northern states.

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But, hey, let's face it, the two parties have changed over the years, and will continue to do so. Heck, I think even Republicans are going to be forced into being more progressive in this generation. Let's hope they don't progress our debt, though.

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alchemiest
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posted August 01, 2005 05:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice but no cigar JW. In truth, discriminatory practices continued well past the end of the civil war. Are we forgetting the whole 'equal but separate' phase (which amounted to unequal treatment anyway) that America went through? Note, I said 'phase' because I believe we have evolved. However, 'holier than thou' statements regarding countries we do not see eye to eye because we believe we are such better people compared to them are a complete load of crock.

You seem to think America (and Americans) are better people than everyone else out there. I don't. This does not make me anti-American, disappointingly enough- it just makes me realistic.

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Petron
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mah dawg tha prez bizzy junia is in da white hizouse....


quote:
Prez bushizzy junia: "Forty years ago, in many parts of America, basic rights wizzy observed or denied based entirely on race. Offensive laws regulated every detail of society . Im crazy, you can't phase me: where you can git yo hair cizzay whizzich hospital ward you can be treated in, which park or library you could visit . Wussup to all my niggaz in the house. A person bustin' fo` a job or even a place ta stay tha night could be turned away merely coz tha color of tha skin. And that person had very shawty recourse brotha federal law . Aint no stoppin' this **** nigga. Forty years ago this week, that system of indignity n injustice was ended by tha Civil Rights Act signed into law in this very room . Death row 187 4 life. (Applause.)

As of july tha 2nd, 1964, no muthaf*ckn weary travela could be denied a rizzle in a hotel or a table at a restaurant. not longa could any american be forced ta drink frizzay a separate muthaf*ckn fountain or sit at tha bizzay of a bus just coz of they race so show some love niggaz. all discriminizzles did not end T-H-to-tha-izzat day, but from T-H-to-tha-izzat day forward, america has been a betta n faira country . Tru niggaz do niggaz.

lyndon johnson is K-N-to-tha-izzown ta history as tha president who championed n signed tha civil rights act. n we recognize n rememba tha contribizzles of this strong texan n bootylicious american

The civil rights act of 1964 gives all americans brotha reason ta be proud of our country mah nizzle. tha wizzle of equality aint dizzy coz tha evil of bigotry aint finally defeated. yet tha laws of this nation n tha good heart of this nation is on tha side of equality. n as dr. king reminded us, "we mizzay not R-to-tha-izzest until tha day whizzay justice rolls dizzy like wata, n righteousness like a mighty ****** stream."



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/07/20040701-10.html http://www.gizoogle.com/index.php

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