posted December 22, 2005 12:33 PM            

Your theory, to use American military forces to assist intelligence services in finding and rounding up terrorist sleeper cells in the United States must come from the same place leftist lawyers get their legal theories..Daffy Duck comic books.

Illegal under US Law Ozone.

After more than 3 years Ozone, I'm still waiting for you to cite an instance where the Patriot Act has been used against an "ordinary American citizen." Still waiting for you to tell me exactly what rights you claim to have lost Ozone...and where I would find those rights listed in the United States Constitution...the document which spells out the rights and privileges of American citizens. So far Ozone, you have erected a Zone of silence around my questions to you. Care to take a shot at it this time?

It's obvious you and other leftists are still attempting to help the terrorists by taking the military heat off them and withdrawing the US forces which are capturing and killing them in Iraq and elsewhere.

posted December 22, 2005 02:52 PM            

Not to mention one Craig Livingstone, who no one will admit to hiring or even knowing, much less directing him to order up private, confidential raw files from the FBI on...who else? Republicans...more than 900 Republicans when the story first broke.

So, who hired the former bar bouncer from Arkansas, Livingstone for a Clintonista White House position? Not me! Who? Never heard of him! Hahaha

Thursday, Dec. 22, 2005 11:03 a.m. EST
The Patriot Act Abuse Myth

Yesterday, one of the Senate's leading Republican critics of the Patriot Act explained that his opposition wasn't to the security measure itself - but rather to the prospect that it could be abused under future presidents who aren't as respectful of civil liberties as President Bush has been.

That critic, Sen. Larry Craig, mentioned presidential candidate Hillary Clinton by name, asking ominously during an interview with Rush Limbaugh: "Who will be her attorney general, and what might he or she do to your liberties and mine?"

One wonders, however, where Sen. Craig was, along with the rest of the civil liberties crowd, during the eight years prior to the Patriot Act - when civil liberties went out the window with Hillary and her husband actually in charge.

Sen. Craig, for instance, has yet to demand the release of Independent Counsel David Barrett's report - which reportedly documents how the Clintons used the IRS to target their political opponents.

But even without Mr. Barrett's findings, we know that Clinton accusers Billy Dale, Gennifer Flowers, Elizabeth Ward Gracen and Juanita Broaddrick were all targeted by IRS audits.
After turning down an offer to settle her sexual harassment suit against Mr. Clinton, Paula Jones was not only audited - but had her confidential tax returns leaked to the media.

In a Sept. 17, 1997 report, the New York Daily News had no compunction about exploring the details of Jones private IRS return in print.

Apparently oblivious to the massive civil rights violation that he was in the midst of committing, late News columnist Lars Erik Nelson even complained that Jones was profiteering from her lawsuit - based on the fact that she had "reported [her legal] defense fund to the IRS on a Schedule C: 'Profit or Loss From Business (Sole Proprietorship)'."

Outrage from the civil liberties crowd? Zippo.

Neither did the Clintons need the Patriot Act to have 1,100 FBI files shipped over to the White House Counsel's office, where - according to Linda Tripp [whose file was among those requisitioned] - the FBI dossiers where stacked floor-to-ceiling in the office of one-time Hillary crony, Associate White House Counsel Bill Kennedy.
When the Clintons explained that it was all just a "bureaucratic snafu," today's Patriot Act opponents bought their laughably transparent excuse hook, line and sinker.

The civil liberties brigade was also AWOL when Hillary's advance man admitted that he regularly recruited "goon squads" to stifle protesters at events where she spoke during her 2000 Senate campaign.

"Less genteel souls sometimes referred to them as goon squads," wrote Patrick Halley in his 2003 memoir, "On the Road with Hillary." "But I objected to that term. I was proud of the fact that not one of them had ever been arrested."

Halley unabashedly recalled that whenever an anti-Hillary protest looked likely, he'd "sprinkle" his goons throughout the crowd "so there was always someone able to respond quickly."

He said his enforcers "could certainly be intimidating if the occasion called for it," lamenting: "Sadly, but inevitably, things sometimes got a little frisky."

Nowhere in Halley's book does he describe how the Patriot Act allowed Mrs. Clinton's campaign to get away with roughing up protesters - probably because at the time Halley was working crowd control for the then-first lady, it wasn't on the books yet.

posted December 23, 2005 01:22 AM            

Ask silly questions, get silly answers!

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Ozone

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Hey there JW, so you finally acknowledge that I'm still alive and well in GU! I betcha that the temptation was rather excruciating for you not to contest over my little rants here lately!

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Your theory, to use American military forces to assist intelligence services in finding and rounding up terrorist sleeper cells in the United States must come from the same place leftist lawyers get their legal theories..Daffy Duck comic books.

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Yeah, those damn leftist lawyers don't you love em', always leaning to the left while disguising themselves under this facade over representing the rightist affiliate branches of the government! You know, like the ATF, CIA, FBI....

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Illegal under US Law Ozone.

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Now you wait right codpickin' minuut daar JayDubya, I didn't even get to the president yet, your just gonna have to be patient til' I explain myself with your other claims about me! Besides, it wouldn't be the first time that King George did any of those "illegal" things, I'm sure that he's a pro at it by now!

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After more than 3 years Ozone, I'm still waiting for you to cite an instance where the Patriot Act has been used against an "ordinary American citizen." Still waiting for you to tell me exactly what rights you claim to have lost Ozone...and where I would find those rights listed in the United States Constitution...the document which spells out the rights and privileges of American citizens. So far Ozone, you have erected a Zone of silence around my questions to you. Care to take a shot at it this time?

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Well time sure flies when your having fun, right JW? I'm sure however that I've already mentioned all this before somewhere on a post due to the same exact questions that you continuously insist to ask of me over and over again way back! And since I don't really like going throughout this whole entire forum just to appease you with that post, I'll just use my uncanny super-human powers and tell you exactly what those rights are that were violated and I'll say them with someone elses heart and mind to show you that I mean business!

Those rights were:

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Firstly, the spying upon Americans without probable cause, due process and a warrant supported by evidence and sworn before a competent magistrate violates the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th and 14th Amendments of the US Constitution. It is essential to the argument to understand that the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not create the rights of citizens, but places our government in the position of GUARANTEEING these inherent and INALIENABLE rights. Infringing upon these rights in any manner is
UNLAWFUL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IMMORAL, AND EVIL.

- The Telecommunications Privacy Act of 1984 (TPA)
- The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986
(ECPA)
- The Privacy Act of 1974
- The Wire And Electronic Communications Interception
And Interception Of Oral Communications
- The Wireless Telecommunications Privacy Act of 2000
- The Freedom of Information Act

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Am I good, or what?!

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It's obvious you and other leftists are still attempting to help the terrorists by taking the military heat off them and withdrawing the US forces which are capturing and killing them in Iraq and elsewhere.

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Yep, I got the battle plans right here next to me on my desk!

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Protection of your little leftist, socialist and terrorist friend Saddam was the first order of business for the left as they marched in the streets under the banner of the Workers World Party/A.N.S.W.E.R...a communist organization, I might add. But the left failed there and they will also fail to deter the US from defeating the terrorists, militarily and politically in Iraq.

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Oh yeah JW? Well, let me just tell you that the last time that I even talk Saddam Hussein over the phone even, we never mention anything of that sort whatsoever! So I really don't know where you are getting your information from, you better re-check your so-called "reliable sources"!

In fact(when I last recalled), the conversation went something like this:

*ring ring*

Translator: "Hello, WMD appliances"

Ozonefiller: "Yeah, is the Sad-meister there"

Translator: "Who?!"

Ozonefiller: "You know, your boss! Tell him that Ozone wants to speak with him and your gonna have to translate for me, OK?"

Translator: "Sure, whatever! I'll call him to go the other line!" *over the back ground* "aba od di ombabiosey"

Saddam: "Ka-boo?" *cheers from the audience*

Translator: "He said 'Hello?'"

Ozonefiller: "Yeah, just ask him if he saw the news today and what he thinks about the towers going down!"

Translator: "Ozonefiller asks, 'How are you?'"

Saddam: "Fine, very fine!"

Ozonefiller: "Ask him what was his very first impression of this event!"

Translator: "Ozonefiller asks, 'This is a trivia: On the Flintstones, what was Fred Flintstone's expressional sound-off when he was happy?'

Saddam: "YABBA... DABBA.... DOO!"

Ozonefiller: "Oh really?! Well ask him what he thinks will be Bush's impression of the whole event will be!"

Translator: "Ozonefiller said that he has a hard time hearing and that you have to say your answer to the last question that he has just asked to you"

Saddam: "YABBA DABBA DOO!"

Ozonefiller: "WOW! Well, ask him what he thinks the people of Iraq will say if Bush gets impeached for stealing the 2000 election!"

Translater: I'm so sorry great Hussein, but Ozonefiller really has a hard time hearing you, can you repeat that again?"

Saddam: "YABBA DABBA DOO!"

Ozonefiller: "What does he think that Bush would be feeling at this point about this tragic event of the World Trade Center!"

Translator: "Ozonefiller says that your such a good spirit about all of everything, he thinks that you should say that answer one more time!"

Saddam: "Ha Ha, Yaaaabba Daaaba Doooo!"

Ozonefiller: "OK, well tell him that I got to get going and tell him to stay out of trouble,OK? C-YA!"

Translator: "Ozonefiller says, 'Good-bye!'"

Saddam: "OK Peace out, brother from the far west-crib!"

So, you really have nothing to worry about JW, no matter what, Saddam doesn't suspect a thing that is going on anyway!

But I'm sure however, Newsmax will be able to to do a good job of keeping Saddam off the information tract by all means. Just like they do with anybody that listens to they're noise!

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NewsMax.com

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NewsMax.com is a conservative news website that was founded in September 1998 by journalist Christopher Ruddy, who is its current CEO, editor-in-chief, and runs the website in West Palm Beach, Florida.

Ruddy is perhaps best known for his work on the Arkansas Project, which was described by R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr., the founder and editor of the American Spectator as "an attempt by the Spectator, best known for its acerbic and lively commentary, to get into more investigative reporting" [1]. Ruddy received funding for a conspiracy book surrounding the Presidency of Bill Clinton and Vincent Foster's suicide from Joseph Farah (the founder of World Net Daily, and co-founder of the Western Journalism Center) and the Western Journalism Center.[2] This group supplied Ruddy with "additional expense money, funding for Freedom of Information Act requests, legal support and publicity during his" book "research" of a Clinton conspiracy surrounding the suicide of Foster. [3] Ruddy's ties to the Spectator and the project created unease with the rank of conservatives. According to the Washington Post, "describe Ruddy as 'a very heavy breather' whose book contained 'very few direct quotes, but a great many insinuations'"[4] Nonetheless, Ruddy and Richard Mellon Scaife (who funded the Arkansas Project) remained connected through their promotion of conservative ideas. Before starting NewsMax, Ruddy was a reporter for the Scaife-owned Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.)[5] Eventually, Scaife became an investor and the third-largest stockholder of NewsMax [6].

Consequently, NewsMax contains a right-wing viewpoint, promoting itself as "a leading conservative news source providing an Internet alternative to the liberal mainstream media" and featuring a section devoted to media bias [7]. Unlike other right-wing webpages, it does run mostly its own content and that of a collection of guest editorial writers in much the same way that conservative websites Alamance Independent, World Net Daily (due in part to donators ties) and the Drudge Report do.

NewsMax originated sales of the "Deck of Evil" playing cards and followed up with the "Deck of Weasels" lampooning prominent opponents of the 2003 invasion of Iraq as well as the "Deck of Hillary" and the "Deck of Reagan". The website provides links to comics, such as: Dan Lacey's "Faithmouse," "The Leftersons" by Colin T. Hayes, Bruce Tinsley's "Mallard Fillmore",to name a few.

Criticism of NewsMax has been over incorrect information about politics which specifically targeted liberal leaders and politicians. NewsMax has been accused of being a hub of conspiracy theories about Democrats, and Bill Clinton in particular.

Misinformation
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Hillary Clinton
On May 26th 2001 Newsmax started an urban myth about Hillary Clinton reapeatedly refusing to meet with the Gold Star Mothers, a group whose members are mothers who have lost children while serving in the military. [8]

Another example occured on June 5, 2005 when in a subscription only email. NewsMax correspondent John LeBoutillier, interviewed Ed Klein, and "LeBoutillier writes" Klien's book will reveal Daniel Moynihan's (who died in 2003) alleged resistance to Clinton's candidacy:

"Still, a few months later Hillary got what she wanted: the prized photo op at the Moynihan's upstate farm. Oddly, Pat Moynihan never uttered Hillary's name -- not even once -- during this event. He could not bring himself to mention Hillary by name -- but the press reported his 'endorsement' just the same."[9]
and yet a July 7, 1999 CNN interview with Pat Moynihan (who was deceased by the time of the 2005 Newsmax article and so could not provide a rebuttal of their claims himself):

"Moynihan: Before you do -- before I do, and, my God, I almost forgot -- yesterday, Hillary Clinton established an exploratory committee as regards candidacy for the Senate, United States Senate, from New York, a seat which I will vacate in a year and a half. I'm here to say that I hope she will go all the way. I mean to go all the way with her. I think she's going to win. I think it's going to be wonderful for New York, and we'll be proud of our senator and the nation will notice."[10]
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John McCain
On November 29, 2005 Newsmax was the source of a rumor that John McCain himself validated the use of torture. This accusation was then picked up and repeated by Rush Limbaugh.[11] Newsmax specifically claimed:

"Sen. John McCain is leading the charge against so-called “torture” techniques allegedly used by U.S. interrogators, insisting that practices like sleep deprivation and withholding medical attention are not only brutal – they simply don’t work to persuade terrorist suspects to give accurate information."
"Nearly forty years ago, however – when McCain was held captive in a North Vietnamese prison camp – some of the same techniques were used on him. And – as McCain has publicly admitted at least twice – the torture worked!"
The article contradicts itself by demonstrating that torture does not provide intelligence:

"For the next four days, I was beaten every two to three hours by different guards . . . Finally, I reached the lowest point of my 5 1/2 years in North Vietnam. I was at the point of suicide, because I saw that I was reaching the end of my rope."
"McCain was taken to an interrogation room and ordered to sign a document confessing to war crimes. "I signed it," he recalled. "It was in their language, and spoke about black crimes, and other generalities." [12]
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Plame-CIA Leak
On October 29, 2005 Newsmax published an article which claimed that "Patrick Fitzgerald Retreats From Plame 'Covert' Claim." The article commented that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald:

"declined to bring any charges to that effect, casting even more doubt on the claim that her (Valerie Wilson) CIA job was a closely guarded secret."[13]
Yet, in the October 28, 2005 Federal indictment of Scooter Libby, page 3, section f stated:

"At all relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment status was classified. Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson’s affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community."[14]
Moreover, the indictment page 2, section b stated:

"LIBBY was obligated by applicable laws and regulations, including Title 18, United States Code, Section 793, and Executive Order 12958 (as modified by Executive Order 13292)"[15]
And Title 18, Section 793 is the Espionage Act.

About the Propaganda Sensationalist Central Input Control Bureau

posted December 23, 2005 11:14 AM              

I big corrupt mess!

posted December 23, 2005 11:19 AM              

your driver's lisense is put in a chip in you
how far will the Patriat Act go
or what will be put in place

to protect the American People

I will tell you, that we common people
are the farthest thing from their Mind

And we are under control more than you think
if we knew everything they did
it would cause a Revolution
of evolution

posted December 23, 2005 11:32 AM            

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your driver's lisense is put in a chip in you
how far will the Patriat Act go
or what will be put in place

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...and everything else that you just said Lotusheartone!

Why do you think that I've been ranting and raving about the Real ID act that will be enacted by May 2008 for?!

This is exactly what I'm talking about and yet, I don't see anybody talking enough about this subject in this forum!

Yes, I do find the Real ID national card a violation to my rights, while our boarders remain still unprotected, is the govenment really keeping an eye on terrorists or is the government watching us Americans instead?

Does anybody else have a problem with how I really feel about this?

posted December 23, 2005 11:33 AM              

I can tell you, that boy is no more
His Mind is not his

very sad

This is Our Government
Brain Wash the Soldiers
re-peat
re-peat
re-peat eat eat eat

posted December 23, 2005 11:36 AM              

I believe they will use our eyes for ID
none the same, and won't add cost

I will not be I scanned
BS

posted December 23, 2005 12:02 PM              

God is coming within US
the Government is scared
the prophecies are true

they have the mysteries, But not God
so they can do nothing

the First generation
has the codes within
all the ancient secrets
will be revealed

posted December 23, 2005 12:10 PM            

Here's all that you need to know to start off with the Real ID, National ID card are the links that follows!

posted December 23, 2005 12:18 PM              

My license for the U.S. is tied to My Alien Card, last time I renewed my license, because I only had two years left on my Alien Card
they renewed liscense for only 2 years

this license ID, is just the Beginning, and we cannot allow it...

Just looked at my NH license
it expires 05-30-2006, 30th, Oh my, they gave me extra days, should expire on the 5th, my B-day

posted December 23, 2005 12:41 PM              

yes already underway
that's what they did with my license

it's not to protect US
that's for sure

we are being watched
every single one of US

why are the poor so poor and getting poorer

the prophecies say the poor and humble
shall inherit the world
they don't want that...

We are all going to have to make a stand and write letters, Oh yes
and Pray to MOther and Father
they are enraged too!

posted December 23, 2005 02:40 PM            

You've been wandering around in the dark ever since, so far from the light switch you don't even know where it is.

The only inalienable rights to be found in US documents is found in the Declaration of Independence and refers to the rights to...Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness.

Too bad Ozone. Leftists don't believe in the grantor of those rights...the Creator/God and have no business attempting to claim those rights.

The 4th Amendment protects "American Citizens" against unreasonable searches and seizures Ozone...in a criminal prosecution

When the object of a search or seizure is NOT a criminal prosecution but rather the identification of and thwarting of those attempting to attack the United States or US Citizens, then Ozone, the search and/or seizure is not only "reasonable" but the sworn duty of any United States President.

The rest of your rant is simply nonsense Ozone. The statute you cite...if you had actually bothered to read it goes on to define "United States Person"...those who may not be randomly monitored. Those who are in this country illegally, those who have made false statements on applications to enter the US, even those naturalized citizens who have made false application to the United States...are NOT "United States Persons".

I have no intention of telling you where that light switch is Ozone. You are one of the perfect examples and advertisements for some of what's wrong with the loony left; which makes you a great spokesperson for conservative principles.

posted December 23, 2005 03:27 PM            

If you notice, when he tells you...

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The 4th Amendment protects "American Citizens" against unreasonable searches and seizures Ozone...in a criminal prosecution

When the object of a search or seizure is NOT a criminal prosecution but rather the identification of and thwarting of those attempting to attack the United States or US Citizens, then Ozone, the search and/or seizure is not only "reasonable" but the sworn duty of any United States President.

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He's pretty much telling you two of the same things, it's just that basically JW feels that with someone that actually makes an attempt to attack the US or it's citizens, nobody should be looking at those such in particular as criminals that should be prosecuted, rather this is an indication that it should be the other way around and that it is "us" that are law abiding and innocent Americans that should be placed under the microscope, analyzed and presumed traitors of a free and democratic nation, such as this one, I might say!

Interesting!

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The rest of your rant is simply nonsense Ozone.

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Yeah, go figure!

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The statute you cite...if you had actually bothered to read it goes on to define "United States Person"...those who may not be randomly monitored. Those who are in this country illegally, those who have made false statements on applications to enter the US, even those naturalized citizens who have made false application to the United States...are NOT "United States Persons".

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Well that... pretty much tells me JW that's about anybody and everybody that resides within the United States then. So, what's your point?

And whatever your rant is of whatever your trying to say, I can only speculate that you admit that I'm better at convincing those on the left to join in with the right alot better then you can JW!

Thanks!

posted December 23, 2005 03:57 PM              

I love America the BEaUtiful...

But something is dreadfully wrong
and we need to SEE through all the
BS

the middle and lower class
are suffering, that is why
I moved to Cananda

10 1/2 room house
hot water, heat, and electricity
included for $550.00 a month
I can live like a normal human
being now, I couldn't do that
in the U.S., living paycheck
to paycheck
Robbing Peter, to pay Paul
and _uck Mary
what an attitude, Yuck

this is the U.S.?

what has happened

where's Our Happiness?

God Bless America

posted December 23, 2005 10:34 PM            

That is a recipe that can spell disaster for those that shall be victimized by this and/or government meltdown if each and every one American becomes exposed to an identity theft, usually in astronomical measures, why not?!

Can you imagin the impact if that would happen?!

posted December 23, 2005 10:41 PM              

what a pain the _ _ _

like starting new