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jwhop
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posted March 03, 2006 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't pay any attention to acoustic's snappishness lotus. He's just "feeling" threatened by fact, logic and truth.

"Feeling" threatened by fact, logic and truth is default mode for leftists.

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hehe, I know, I was just having a little fun..
in this crazy world..well, anyway, it's been a joy conversing with you, Jwhop..

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posted March 03, 2006 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As usual acoustic, you're a little short on facts. Facts challenged in a facts rich world.

First a trickle, then the flood.

They're lyin, they're dyin. And, they're dyin in the midst of a rapidly expanding economy..which has been rapidly expanding for at least 3 years.

Hehe, they even lie about their circulation numbers...and get caught. That p*sses off advertisers a whole bunch.

Media Layoffs
More than five years of job cutback reports

Media companies are continuing to tighten their belts and, sadly, cut jobs. Many cutbacks are attributed to the slowing economy and advertising market, disappointing results at online units, restructurings in the aftermath of mergers, and business shutdowns (Remember APBNews.com? Brill's Content? Talk magazine?) This tabulation of news reports of U.S. media layoffs, begun shortly after the start of the dot-com bust, has recorded nearly 72,000 job cuts since June 2000.

New York Times Co.
500 Jobs Cut
The company's planned layoffs include jobs at the New York Times and the Boston Globe.
Source: MarketWatch, "New York Times to Lay Off 500," 09/20/05

Dow Jones & Co.
About 20 Jobs Cut
The publisher of the Wall Street Journal is reorganizing.
Source: Dow Jones, "Dow Jones Sets New Operations Structure," 02/22/06

Time Inc.
66 Jobs Cut
The publisher is cutting both editorial and business jobs in the latest round of layoffs.
Source: Advertising Age, "Update: Time Inc. Cuts 66 Employees," 01/30/06

Newsday
65 Jobs Cut
The Tribune newspaper is eliminating jobs in pressroom and transportation.
Source: Newsday, "Newsday Employees Ratify New Contract," 01/09/06


McGraw-Hill
500 Jobs Cut
The publisher is cutting jobs in a restructuring "to enhance long-term growth prospects."
Source: Dow Jones, "McGraw-Hill Cut 500 Jobs In Restructuring Move," 01/05/06

KVTV
??? Jobs Cut
Eagle Creek's KVTV in Laredo is dropping its newscast due to poor ratings.
Source: AP, "Laredo TV Station Drops Newscast, Staff," 01/04/06

Time Inc.
105 Jobs Cut
Time Warner's magazine publishing unit is letting go employees in an effort to cut costs.
Source: Advertising Age, "Time Inc. Cuts Deep Into Top Management," 12/13/05


Journal News
19 Jobs Cut
Gannett's Journal News in White Plains, N.Y. is laying off employees for the first time.
Source: Editor & Publisher, "In First-Ever Layoffs, Gannett's 'Journal News' in N.Y. Lops 19," 12/09/05


Tribune Co.
900 Jobs Cut
To cut costs, the company is cutting jobs, mostly at its newspapers: Chicago Tribune, etc.
Source: Dow Jones, "Tribune CEO: '05 Job Cuts to Total 900," 12/07/05


St. Louis Post-Dispatch
130 Jobs Cut
The Lee Enterprises newspaper is offering early retirement packages.
Source: AP, "St. Louis Post-Dispatch Sheds 130 Workers," 11/01/05


U.S. News & World Report
10 Jobs Cut
The struggling newsweekly will shift its focus to its Web site.
Source: Washington Post, "U.S. News Gives a Top Political Writer the Pink Slip," 10/05/05


San Jose Mercury News
60 Jobs Cut
The newspaper is reducing its staff, first with buyouts but with layoffs if necessary.
Source: San Jose Mercury News, "Mercury News Plans to Offer Buyouts to Cut News Staff 15%," 09/24/05


San Francisco Chronicle
120 Jobs Cut
The newspaper says it plans to cut jobs.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle, "San Jose Mercury to Cut 17% of Newsroom Jobs," 09/24/05


Birmingham Post-Herald
43 Jobs Cut
E.W. Scripps is shutting down the 55-year-old afternoon newspaper in Birmingham, Ala.
Source: AP, "Birmingham Post-Herald Announces It Will Close Friday," 09/22/05


KPHL/KSWB
60 Jobs Cut
Tribune is eliminating news operations at its TV stations in Philadelphia and San Diego.
Source: San Diego Union-Tribue, "KSWB News Changes Hands; 30 to Lose Jobs," 09/22/05
Philadelphia Inquirer and Daily News
160 Jobs Cut
The publisher of the two newspapers plans to eliminate jobs through buyouts or layoffs.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer, "Inquirer and Daily News Announce Job Cuts," 09/20/05

Newsday
45 Jobs Cut
A scandal over inflated circulation continues to plague the Long Island newspaper.
Source: Newsday, "Newsday to Cut 45 Jobs," 09/02/05


Houston Chronicle
??? Jobs Cut
About 7% of the staff will be cut as the newspaper restructures for the "multiplatform world."
Source: Houston Chronicle, "Chronicle to Pare Its Work Force," 08/19/05

WXLV/WUPN
22 Jobs Cut
Sinclair's two Winston-Salem stations are shutting down their news operations.
Source: Winston-Salem Journal, "WXLV and WUPN Will End Newscasts," 07/29/05

Boston Herald
??? Jobs Cut
Staffers are taking buyouts and being laid off at the struggling tabloid.
Source: Boston Globe, "Amid Cuts, Herald Loses Newsroom Veterans," 06/11/05

Gannett
14 Jobs Cut
Gannett will shut down the struggling Green Bay News-Chronicle on June 3.
Source: Appleton Post Crescent, "Green Bay Newspaper Will Cease Publishing," 05/27/05
CBS News
50 Jobs Cut
CBS News is canceling its news program "60 Minutes Wednesday."
Source: New York Daily News, "Viacom Execs' Pay Irks Shareholders," 05/27/05

Time Warner Cable
38 Jobs Cut
Time Warner Cable is consolidating three New York 24-hour news outlets.
Source: Albany Times Union, "Time Warner Consolidating News Operations," 05/25/05

New York Times Co.
190 Jobs Cut
The New York Times Co. plans to cut about 2% of its work force.
Source: Reuters, "New York Times Planning to Cut 190 Jobs," 05/25/05

Christian Science Monitor
10 to 15 Jobs Cut
Due to a "reallocation of funds," the newspaper is cutting editorial positions.
Source: Christian Science Monitor, "Bergenheim Named New Editor of Monitor," 05/11/05

WISE
50 Jobs Cut
Indiana TV station WISE is merging newsrooms with another local station.
Source: Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, "WISE, WPTA Align; Pull Plug on 50 Jobs," 03/09/05

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
??? Jobs Cut
Management is consolidating offices and telling employees that layoffs are coming.
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, "Shakeup at the Tribune-Review," 01/20/05

Seattle Times
90 to 110 Jobs Cut
The planned job cuts are aimed at returning the newspaper to profitability.
Source: Seattle Times, "Seattle Times Plans to Cut Up to 110 Jobs," 01/14/05

U.S. News & World Report
??? Jobs Cut
In a round of cutbacks, employees are taking buyouts and exiting.
Source: New York Post, "Been There, Dunne That," 01/05/05

Durham Herald Sun
81 Jobs Cut
Paxton's acquisition of the newspaper resulted in a restructuring and massive layoffs.
Source: Independent Weekly, "Black Monday at the Herald-Sun," 01/05/05

Hartford Courant
10 Jobs Cut
The newspaper is cutting jobs, citing an ongoing budget crunch.
Source: WTNH.com, "Hartford Courant Eliminates 10 Newsroom Positions," 12/06/04

Newsday
100 Jobs Cut
About 3% of Newday's work force will be cut following the paper's circulation scandal.
Source: Newsday, "Newsday to Cut Staff by 100," 11/12/04

Orlando Sentinel
20 Jobs Cut
The paper is cutting positions across all departments, citing tough times.
Source: Editor & Publisher, "Orlando Sentinel Cuts Staff," 11/09/04

Houston Chronicle
243 Jobs Cut
The Houston Chronicle is cutting jobs to help reduce operating expenses.
Source: Houston Chronicle, "Houston Chronicle Cuts 10 Percent of Work Force," 10/26/04
San Francisco Chronicle
??? Jobs Cut
The paper is laying off staffers due to flat revenue and a difficult economy.
Source: San Francisco Business Times, "Chronicle to Lay Off 10 Percent," 10/20/04

New York Times
??? Jobs Cut
The New York Times Co. is shedding almost half of its pressmen.
Source: Dow Jones/Excite, "NY Times to Reduce Pressmen Staff, Limit Wage Increases," 09/13/04

Christian Science Monitor
21 Jobs Cut
The newspaper has eliminated jobs since the start of 2004, in an effort to cut costs.
Source: Christian Science Monitor, "The Monitor's Path Ahead," 07/16/04

Tribune
200+ Jobs Cut
Due to a slowdown in ad revenue, Tribune says it will cut jobs at its 14 newspapers.
Source: AP/Yahoo! News, "Tribune Co. to Cut More Than 200 Jobs," 06/07/04

Detroit Newspaper Agency
60 Jobs Cut
The agency that serves the Detroit Free Press and the Detroit News is cutting jobs.
Source: ClickonDetroit.com, "Detroit Newspaper Agency Announces Layoffs," 02/27/04

Tulsa World
38 Jobs Cut
Hit by the economic downturn, the newspaper is reporting its first layoffs in 87 years.
Source: Associated Press, "Tulsa World Cuts 38 Newspaper Jobs," 01/29/04

Newsday
26 Jobs Cut
The newspaper is eliminating jobs outside the newsroom as part of an effort to cut costs.
Source: Newsday, "Newsday Announces Layoffs," 01/07/04

Boston Herald
19 Jobs Cut
The job cuts include 12 full-time newsroom workers who accepted buyout packages.
Source: Boston Globe, "Herald Reports Staff Cutbacks; 19 Are Affected," 11/15/03

Tribune-Review Publishing
??? Jobs Cut
The newspaper publisher is cutting jobs at its six daily newspapers.
Source: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, "Staff at Newspapers Cut by 4%," 11/06/03

Hartford Courant
23 Jobs Cut
The newspaper says it is continuing to struggle with a "significant decline" in revenue.
Source: Hartford Courant, "Courant Plans to Eliminate 23 Jobs," 07/29/03

http://www.iwantmedia.com/layoffs.html

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AcousticGod
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posted March 03, 2006 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please do take heed of my snappishness Lotus, and appreciate my courtesy in being gentle in asking you to find somewhere else to entertain yourself. I know that's the only reason you're here. You've never said anything politically relevant.

Also be happy you've chosen the side you've chosen, because my 'snappishness' is nothing compared to Jwhop's snappishness towards opponent making meaningless comments.

Hey Jwhop, did you know Lotus and Mystic Gemini/Atlantic Myst/Tranquil Poet are best friends here? How ironic, huh?

As far as feeling threatened, why would I 'feel' threated by something I'm in command of? I don't have any difficulty with logic, fact, or truth. I don't even have any problem with pesky charts put out by the Pew Research Center.

Shall we get back on topic, night owl?

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posted March 03, 2006 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obviously all of those companies are still around aren't they? Are they shutting down? Are they being wiped off the planet by the Right? No, they're not.

Does your source say anything about these cuts being the result of people not believing what they've printed? I bet it doesn't. People get their news online these days. They have to adapt and overcome like anyone else. Capitalism and all that. Ask the record and film industry.

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Back to the topic, are you conceding on the Pew Chart?

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posted March 03, 2006 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me suggest you retire for the evening acoustic. Your snappishness with lotus and the mental fog you're in is an indication you need all the rest you can get.

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posted March 03, 2006 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I go to your source, and there it is right at the top of the page:

"Media companies are continuing to tighten their belts and, sadly, cut jobs. Many cutbacks are attributed to the slowing economy and advertising market, disappointing results at online units, restructurings in the aftermath of mergers, and business shutdowns (Remember APBNews.com? Brill's Content? Talk magazine?)"

quote:

Newsday
65 Jobs Cut
The Tribune newspaper is eliminating jobs in pressroom and transportation.
Source: Newsday, "Newsday Employees Ratify New Contract," 01/09/06

Don't need a pressroom or transportation to get on the internet.

quote:

U.S. News & World Report
10 Jobs Cut
The struggling newsweekly will shift its focus to its Web site.
Source: Washington Post, "U.S. News Gives a Top Political Writer the Pink Slip," 10/05/05

Shifting it's focus to it's website.

quote:
New York Times to lay off 500

By David B. Wilkerson, MarketWatch
Last Update: 6:28 PM ET Sep 20, 2005


SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - The New York Times Co. warned late Tuesday that third quarter earnings will be lower than expected and said it will cut 500 jobs, or 4% of its staff, as it struggles to cope with a weak media advertising environment.


Economic factors?!! During a conservative administration? Incidentally, in the two layoffs I read about so far from the NYT they cut 4% and 2%. Pretty small cuts.

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posted March 03, 2006 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could, and, if I'm not mistaken, have come here even drunk and tired and still put out a more sensible argument than you can conjure.

I will be retiring before long, but when you're around it's like an addiction for me -- I can't stop knocking down your arguments. You bring this incredible string of nonsense that is absolutely compelling.

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posted March 03, 2006 05:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We could have some fine arguments Cardinalgal. Cardinalgal...would that be Libra?

Ooh I see you're interest (or perhaps your indignation ) has been sparked enough to trawl the forum to find my sign jwhop! I'm truly flattered! Now careful, or I shall think you're stalking me you naughty little redneck you!


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wow, so many assumptions..

I have not take any sides..and frankly I'm not concerned what you think of me..but then you name names, and well some I don't even talk to..so, Acoustic God, now your as bad as the press, cuz you don't have your facts right...

it's still free country, right?

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posted March 03, 2006 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry Lotus. I didn't realize that you aren't aware of Mystic Gemini's previous names. I was only speaking of one person (MG) with multiple names.

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thanks so much for clearing that up, and for keeping tabs on MysticGemini and I..very kind of you..

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posted March 04, 2006 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still waiting to hear back from Pew that I'm right oh Director of Reality?

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Your so vain, I bet you think this song is about you..hehe

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posted March 04, 2006 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"Media companies are continuing to tighten their belts and, sadly, cut jobs. Many cutbacks are attributed to the slowing economy and advertising market, disappointing results at online units, restructurings in the aftermath of mergers, and business shutdowns (Remember APBNews.com? Brill's Content? Talk magazine?)"

You really are in a fog, aren't you acoustic, or is it your eyesight?
You skipped right by the real reasons the papers are cutting staff on your way to picking out the least of the media's problems.

Apparently, you think the news media are going to admit the reason they're losing circulation, losing advertisers and are experiencing declining profits is because people don't trust them enough to buy their product...democrats, Republicans and Independents.

The only thing the news media has to sell is information...as I told you months ago, and people won't continue to buy a faulty, lying, twisted, slanted and fabricated news product.

They blame a slowing economy...which doesn't exist BTW, for their woes and declining advertising markets. But advertisers are spending more than ever, just not with them.

"Media companies are continuing to tighten their belts and, sadly, cut jobs. Many cutbacks are attributed to the slowing economy and advertising market"

Your lapses, failures in analysis, in comprehension and flights into fantasy land might be more understandable if you could claim you were drunk. Give it a try, someone might buy it.

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posted March 04, 2006 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still waiting to hear from Pew?

While we wait, why not share with us exactly what you asked Pew?

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posted March 04, 2006 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ooh I see you're interest (or perhaps your indignation ) has been sparked enough to trawl the forum to find my sign jwhop! I'm truly flattered! Now careful, or I shall think you're stalking me you naughty little redneck you!

Nope Cardinalgal, I've just encountered the Libra style of argument...ummmm discussion before

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posted March 04, 2006 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:03:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "Acoustic God" <acousticgod@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: News Audiences Increasingly Politicized
To: info@people-press.org

In section 5 (V.) of this report, there is a chart or graph reflecting your study:

Would you categorize the following statement as true based on your graph? :

"About 80% of Americans already don't believe even half of what the news media reports."

If you were asked to specify the meanings of the columns, how would you describe each column?

A friend and I are debating this chart of yours, and we appreciate it if you'd be willing to shed some light on this. You may determine which of us is wrong.

Thanks,
AG

I can forward you a copy if you like. You can see I didn't attempt to affect the outcome. You know why? Because I'm right. I bet you haven't written them.

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If you think the news is going away, and it's due to credibility, then you're just plain foolish.

quote:

July 22, 2005
Online driving WSJ, NYT earnings
Two interesting earnings reports this week - from Dow Jones/WSJ and the New York Times.

At Dow Jones, despite an overall decline in earnings, earnings for the WSJ digital division were triple that of the print business - $29M vs. $7M for print. Electronic revenues were reported at $128.4M, the growth driven largely by two major factors: subscriptions to the WSJ Online edition increased by 60,000 to 744,000, while the acquisition of MarketWatch from CBS added to advertising revenues. The subscription increase is significant, because while WSJ Online had been able to increase its pricing in recent years, subscriber growth has been pretty flat during that period. A nearly 9% growth in subscribers bodes well for their model.

Meanwhile, over at the New York Times, a similar story. While net income overall declined by 20% as compared to Q2 '04, online ad revenues were up 27% for the quarter due to ad rate increases during the past year. Interestingly, About.com posted a 39% gain in ad revenues for the quarter, with net income of $2.5M on $12M in revenues. It looks like About has found a much more suitable partner in the Times than it had during its tumultuous days at Primedia.

I guess, in some ways, the most interesting part of these releases is that they're not big news. Even for old-line newspaper publishers, electronic revenue is the key to growth, while their supposed core business of print continues on a downward path.
http://www.contentmatters.info/content_matters/2005/07/online_driving_.html


quote:

The Internet ad revenues included in the three media groups above increased 22.0% due to strong growth in display and classified advertising.

The New York Times Company (NYSE: NYT), a leading media company with 2005 revenues of 3.4 billion, includes The New York Times, the International Herald Tribune, The Boston Globe, 15 other daily newspapers, nine network-affiliated television stations, two New York City radio stations and 35 Web sites, including NYTimes.com, Boston.com and About.com. For the fifth consecutive year, the Company was ranked No. 1 in the publishing industry in Fortune's 2005 list of America's Most Admired Companies. The Company's core purpose is to enhance society by creating, collecting and distributing high-quality news, information and entertainment.
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=NYT&script=411&layout=-6&item_id=814232


http://www.associatedpress.com/FOI/index.html
No wonder Republicans are waging this war on the media.

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Facts

Founded in 1848, The Associated Press is the backbone of the world's information system serving thousands of daily newspaper, radio, television and online customers with coverage in all media and news in all formats. It is the largest and oldest news organization in the world, serving as a source of news, photos, graphics, audio and video for more than one billion people a day.

AP's mission is to be the essential global news network, providing distinctive news services of the highest quality, reliability and objectivity with reports that are accurate, balanced and informed. AP operates as a not-for-profit cooperative with 3,700 employees working in more than 240 worldwide bureaus.

AP supplies a steady stream of news around the clock to its domestic members, international subscribers and commercial customers. It has the industry's most sophisticated digital photo network, a 24-hour continuously updated online news service, a state-of-the-art television news service and one of the largest radio networks in the United States. It also has a commercial digital photo archive, a photo library housing more than 10 million images and provides advertising management services.

The Associated Press has received 48 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other news organization in the categories for which it can compete. It has 29 photo Pulitzers, the most of any news organization. http://www.ap.org/pages/about/about.html


Yeah, they're going to drop off the face of the Earth due to a Republican vendetta.

Who needs a reality check?

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Nope Cardinalgal, I've just encountered the Libra style of argument...ummmm discussion before

Well then, you should be used to losing I also have Cancer asc and Capricorn Moon... hence my screen name. Bit of a 'Cardinal' tour de force I'm afraid!

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posted March 04, 2006 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

"The public is increasingly cynical toward the news media, as reflected in the slumping credibility ratings for many outlets. More generally, a majority of(*MOST) Americans (53%) agree with the statement "I often don't trust what news organizations are saying." And while 43% disagree with that statement, just 9% completely disagree with it."

You really have to give it up acoustic. Even when asked a different way...straight out, and straight up, MOST respondents say they do not trust news organizations. And on the flip side of that question only 9% totally disagreed with the statement. Those just as gullible as you are acoustic. So, of that 21% who say they believe all or most, only 9% are the true believers, the gullible one's...like you acoustic.

Given the fact the main stream media have been serving the interests of the hard radical left for more than 50 years, it's understandable why you would be a "true believer" acoustic.

The credibility of the AP is even lower than the NY Times...and given the lying, twisting, distorting, slanting and fabricating news that goes on at the NY Times, the AP had to work hard to beat the Times in that race to the bottom of credibility ratings.

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Every story stands or falls on it's own truth of falsity Petron.-jwhop

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jwhop..you are making perfectly good sense to me..the thing is..there are some that just will not ever see it..and that's okay..I don't get the paper, and I don't watch the daily news..well, once in a while..I mean it's pretty clear..if you look around you..on a clear day..that it's time re-verse this, or we are headed for disaster..what happend to the World?

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posted March 04, 2006 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You seem to have convinced the crazy, Jwhop. The rest of us, with critical minds don't buy it.

We can play battle of the Pew reports all day. The fact of the matter is Republicans have a vendetta against mainstream news.
What is gullible is the idea that this Republican idea is going to gather steam and destroy media as we know it.

The easiest argument against your whole proposal, though, is the fact that you can't disprove the articles. If you want I'll gather you a sample of articles and you can fact check them and get back to me. If the information is public it should be really easy to disprove 'most' articles these sources put out.

People saying that they're cynics and skeptics doesn't affect the validity or the truth contained in articles. One does not equal the other. It's like when they discovered the world was round. People believing it to be flat did not change the truth of the matter.

Furthermore, a NewsMax reader calling me gullible is just plain ironic. Got any more zingers oh Director of Reality?

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posted March 04, 2006 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Careful acoustic, your neurons are spiraling out of control...both of them. Or perhaps they're just spiraling left...counterclockwise. Whatever your problem is with assimilating and processing information, it must be a real handicap in the world of reality.

You know, or should know that when only 31% of democrat respondents believe all or most of what the Times reports, then the Times is in trouble...with it's strongest group of supporters. That fact seems to escape you acoustic.

Hahaha, even the graphic you put up to prove your point shows press influence declining since 1999. Those saying press influence is growing are down 10 points since 1999. Hell acoustic, the title of the chart you put up is Press Seen as Less Influencial

I don't have to prove a thing acoustic. The cooked polls, the made up stories in the press...admitted to, by the way, the falsification of circulation numbers, the deliberate misrepresentation of facts in news stories to achieve a political result, the use of forged documents in news stories, the deliberate and lying news stories about flushing Koran's down the toilet....and so many more it's impossible to list them all...all that and much, much more is the reason few people believe the press...including 68% of democrats.

Here's the latest deliberate lie told by AP in a story they blew up which was carried by other news outlets and trumpeted around the world.

Bush was warned of hurricane
Washington: Experts warned President Bush before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in the Superdome in New Orleans and overwhelm rescuers, newly obtained videos of confidential briefings reveal...........

Four days after the storm Mr Bush said: “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.” (AP)

But, Bush was told no such thing and the AP, because lots of people have seen the video, and raised holy hell with AP over their obvious lie and misrepresentation, have now retracted their statement. It's bad enough these lying bone heads put out a headline...Bush warned of Hurricane when it was Bush who issued the emergency warning and repeatedly called Blanco...Governor of LA, warning her of the danger of the storm and asking Blanco to issue a MANDATORY EVACUATION ORDER.

This is the AP retraction of their lie and misrepresentation. I don't expect you to understand the difference between overtopping and a breach but reasonable people do....and reasonable and knowledgeable people also understand the vast magnitude of difference in potential damage and loss of life between the two. I don't expect you to, however.

AP clarifies story about Katrina, Bush

WASHINGTON — In a Wednesday story, The Associated Press reported that federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his Homeland Security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees in New Orleans, citing confidential video footage of an Aug. 28 briefing.The Army Corps of Engineers considers a breach a hole developing in a levee rather than an overrun. The story should have made clear that Bush was warned about floodwaters overrunning the levees, rather than the levees breaking.The day before Katrina, Bush was told there were grave concerns the levees could be overrun.It wasn’t until the next morning, as the storm made landfall, that Michael Brown, then head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said Bush had asked about reports of breaches.

So, the retraction...after the damage was done and no apology for the lie and misrepresentation...which is typical of the leftist press.

We also know the Governor...Blanco was telling the White House staff there were NO BREACHES in the levees..only reports of overtopping.

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WASHINGTON Mar 2, 2006 (AP)— In the hectic, confused hours after Hurricane Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast, Louisiana’s governor hesitantly but mistakenly assured the Bush administration that New Orleans’ protective levees were intact, according to a new video obtained by The Associated Press showing briefings that day with federal officials.“We keep getting reports in some places that maybe water is coming over the levees,” Gov. Kathleen Blanco said shortly after noon on Aug. 29, according to the video that was obtained Thursday night. “We heard a report unconfirmed, I think, we have not breached the levee. I think we have not breached the levee at this time.”
http://exposetheleft.com/2006/03/03/blancoleveekatrina/

The leftist press is going down acoustic and by their own hand...committing suicide is an accurate description. There is no possible reason to believe a word they say.

You would notice, if you pulled your head out of your @ss long enough to have a
look around...that NewsMax often reruns AP stories...along with the AP logo.

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I think that the very fact that they do correct themselves shows their integrity. That's what real journalists do when they realize they've made a mistake.

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