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jwhop
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posted March 27, 2006 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are those who suffer from headuptheirassitis. Those whose ignorance is so ill informed they believe night is day, good is evil, up is down, day is night, the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, 2+2=5 and the whole is not equal to the sum of it's parts.

If Yassar Arafat was not a terrorist, then the word terrorist should be stricken from every dictionary in the world, the word terrorist having lost it's meaning.

JEFF JACOBY
Arafat the monster
By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist
November 11, 2004

YASSER ARAFAT died at age 75, lying in bed surrounded by familiar faces. He left this world peacefully, unlike the thousands of victims he sent to early graves.

In a better world, the PLO chief would have met his end on a gallows, hanged for mass murder much as the Nazi chiefs were hanged at Nuremberg. In a better world, the French president would not have paid a visit to the bedside of such a monster. In a better world, George Bush would not have said, on hearing the first reports that Arafat had died, "God bless his soul."

God bless his soul? What a grotesque idea! Bless the soul of the man who brought modern terrorism to the world? Who sent his agents to slaughter athletes at the Olympics, blow airliners out of the sky, bomb schools and pizzerias, machine-gun passengers in airline terminals? Who lied, cheated, and stole without compunction? Who inculcated the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich? Human beings might stoop to bless a creature so evil -- as indeed Arafat was blessed, with money, deference, even a Nobel Prize -- but God, I am quite sure, will damn him for eternity.

Arafat always inspired flights of nonsense from Western journalists, and his last two weeks were no exception.

Derek Brown wrote in The Guardian that Arafat's "undisputed courage as a guerrilla leader" was exceeded only "by his extraordinary courage" as a peace negotiator. But it is an odd kind of courage that expresses itself in shooting unarmed victims -- or in signing peace accords and then flagrantly violating their terms.

Another commentator, columnist Gwynne Dyer, asked, "So what did Arafat do right?" The answer: He drew worldwide attention to the Palestinian cause, "for the most part by successful acts of terror." In other words, butchering innocent human beings was "right," since it served an ulterior political motive. No doubt that thought brings daily comfort to all those who were forced to bury a child, parent, or spouse because of Arafat's "successful" terrorism.

Some journalists couldn't wait for Arafat's actual death to begin weeping for him. Take the BBC's Barbara Plett, who burst into tears on the day he was airlifted out of the West Bank. "When the helicopter carrying the frail old man rose above his ruined compound," Plett reported from Ramallah, "I started to cry." Normal people don't weep for brutal murderers, but Plett made it clear that her empathy for Arafat -- whom she praised as "a symbol of Palestinian unity, steadfastness, and resistance" -- was heartfelt:

"I remember well when the Israelis re-conquered the West Bank more than two years ago, how they drove their tanks and bulldozers into Mr. Arafat's headquarters, trapping him in a few rooms, and throwing a military curtain around Ramallah. I remember how Palestinians admired his refusal to flee under fire. They told me: `Our leader is sharing our pain, we are all under the same siege.' And so was I." Such is the state of journalism at the BBC, whose reporters do not seem to have any trouble reporting, dry-eyed, on the plight of Arafat's victims. (That is, when they mention them -- which Plett's teary bon voyage to Arafat did not.)

And what about those victims? Why were they scarcely remembered in this Arafat death watch?

How is it possible to reflect on Arafat's most enduring legacy -- the rise of modern terrorism -- without recalling the legions of men, women, and children whose lives he and his followers destroyed? If Osama bin Laden were on his deathbed, would we neglect to mention all those he murdered on 9/11?

It would take an encyclopedia to catalog all of the evil Arafat committed. But that is no excuse for not trying to recall at least some of it.

Perhaps his signal contribution to the practice of political terror was the introduction of warfare against children. On one black date in May 1974, three PLO terrorists slipped from Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. They murdered two parents and a child whom they found at home, then seized a local school, taking more than 100 boys and girls hostage and threatening to kill them unless a number of imprisoned terrorists were released. When Israeli troops attempted a rescue, the terrorists exploded hand grenades and opened fire on the students. By the time the horror ended, 25 people were dead; 21 of them were children.

Thirty years later, no one speaks of Ma'alot anymore. The dead children have been forgotten. Everyone knows Arafat's name, but who ever recalls the names of his victims?

So let us recall them: Ilana Turgeman. Rachel Aputa. Yocheved Mazoz. Sarah Ben-Shim'on. Yona Sabag. Yafa Cohen. Shoshana Cohen. Michal Sitrok. Malka Amrosy. Aviva Saada. Yocheved Diyi. Yaakov Levi. Yaakov Kabla. Rina Cohen. Ilana Ne'eman. Sarah Madar. Tamar Dahan. Sarah Soper. Lili Morad. David Madar. Yehudit Madar. The 21 dead children of Ma'alot -- 21 of the thousands of who died at Arafat's command.

jacoby@globe.com.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/11/ara fat_the_monster/

Oh, and so much for the Nobel Peace prize which has now become a worthless political symbol in as much as the terrorist Arafat and the insufferable, bungling incompetent Jimmy Carter each have one.

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posted March 27, 2006 11:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<There are those who suffer from headuptheirassitis. Those whose ignorance is so ill informed they believe night is day, good is evil, up is down, day is night, the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, 2+2=5 and the whole is not equal to the sum of it's parts>>

And they all work for Donald Rumsfeld!

Jokes apart, it is true that Arafat is no angel. However, he has killed far fewer civilians than a Rumsfeld or Ariel Sharon and other Israeli terrorists.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Gandhi stands out, being Libran. which also happens to be Jimmy Carter's sign. Which means Carter is a fair and balanced peacekeeper. It is America's great good fortune and honour that such outstanding human beings could lead them and continue to do their bid to prevent Bush from fulfilling his dream of making every American a death target outside the shores of America.

I pray that Mr. Carter keep up his good work fearlessly. Let me see what the Bush "Goondas" can do about it. They must be regretting that they could not assasinate him like JFK...


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posted March 27, 2006 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, the Bush administration should revoke the bungling moron, Carter's passport.

I know there are those willing to overlook everything this idiot has done to damage the United States but I'm not one of them.

The terrorism which spread through the middle east is a direct result of Carter's idiocy. He is most responsible for bringing the radical Islamic terrorist regime to power in Iran. He is the one who withdrew support for the late Shah of Iran which permitted the Ayatollah Khomeini and his murderous little band of terrorists to come to power in Iran and wreak havoc on the civil institutions and civilians there.

Carter is as much to blame for the Iran/Iraq war as the principle parties. There was no talk of war when the Shah was in power in Iran and there wouldn't have been.

We have witnessed the end results of a bungling incompetent boob who couldn't understand the Shah's prisons held followers of radical Islam who were attempting to assassinate the Shah and overthrow his government. What happened next was far worst than anything during the Shah's reign.

Nor, should it be forgotten the boob repeated the same act in Central America with Somoza which brought the little communist dictator Ortega to power in Nicaragua. A little communist dictator who attempted to spread communist revolution into neighboring states.

Reagan had to deal with that mess which the boob Carter created.

As for what you think about Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney, you can stuff it. Carter has more blood on his hands than all of them put together.

The fact is that Carter didn't have to clean up the messes he made around the world. That job fell to someone else...and as usual, that job will get done whether you like it or not.

One last thought, I don't give a rat's @ss what you or anyone in India, Europe or elsewhere thinks about the United States, the President or Americans. Perhaps you should spend more time contemplating the messes you have within your own country/countries...or perhaps your country and others should contemplate the problem of how to become self sufficient without the direct aid and export markets for your goods that America provides.

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posted March 27, 2006 02:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As jwhop so eloquently put it.....

quote:
There are those who suffer from headuptheirassitis

....and doggone, if I didn't come up with some proof.....

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posted March 27, 2006 02:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lqhunk.....I LOVE this.....

quote:
<<There are those who suffer from headuptheirassitis. Those whose ignorance is so ill informed they believe night is day, good is evil, up is down, day is night, the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, 2+2=5 and the whole is not equal to the sum of it's parts>>

And they all work for Donald Rumsfeld!


Yes indeedy.....rummy, rummy, rummy with his
good buddy....

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posted March 27, 2006 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, how would/could Carter be censured, and what would it do????????

Just looking for the answer to the original question/post.

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posted March 27, 2006 07:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So, how would/could Carter be censured, and what would it do????????

Nothing.....

...but try and make him look like an A$$HOLE

........by the the REAL A$$HOLES....

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posted March 28, 2006 03:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<One last thought, I don't give a rat's @ss what you or anyone in India, Europe or elsewhere thinks about the United States, the President or Americans.>>
Unfortunately non brainwashed human beings exist by the ton in India and we care a lot about everyone, atleast mentally.

<<Perhaps you should spend more time contemplating the messes you have within your own country/countries...>>
Yes we should. It will help show that 50% of the problems are because of the NWO, currently under the Neocon leaderhship.

<<or perhaps your country and others should contemplate the problem of how to become self sufficient without the direct aid and export markets for your goods that America provides>>
Impossible, American got itself into this mess by forcing the Bretton Woods declarataion and it is fair that they pay the Karmic dues.

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posted March 28, 2006 03:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be fair to JWHop, atleast he agrees that Bush/Cheney and Rummy have blood on their hands.

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posted March 28, 2006 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iqhunk, in a quantitative sense, is some more than none?

So now, you can 'splain what karmic debt the US owes for the Bretton Woods agreement.

After you finish 'splaining that, you can 'splain how the NWO figures into the ancient Indian policy of the appalling discriminatory caste based social system and don't leave out the "untouchables".

How can anyone from such a society have the moral authority to be speaking to faults in any other other?

Seems to me iqhunk that your time would be better spent cleaning up your messes right there at home....of which the caste system and the "untouchables" are only a part. When you've done that, perhaps I'd be more receptive to what you have to say about America.

JIMMY CARTER'S TRAIL OF DISASTER
Christopher Ruddy
Monday, May 13, 2002
Jimmy Carter is off this week to save Cuba.

With Carter on the loose, the American public needs to watch out.

It seems that almost wherever he goes and whatever positions he pushes, Jimmy Carter leaves a wake of devastation and disaster.

Carter, we should note, has been cozying up to North Korea for years. He helped the U.S. and the communist country come to agreement during the Clinton years to defuse a tense situation over North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

Under the wacko deal Carter arranged, the U.S. would stop complaining about Korea's nuclear weapons program as long as the U.S. gave aid to North Korea and helped the communists build more modern nuclear reactors.

The U.S. was well on the path to doing this when the new Bush administration sounded the alarm and immediately stopped the cockamamy plan dead in its tracks.

North Korea was not cooperating with the U.S. to stop its weapons program, but we should continue helping them to build nuclear reactors. Make sense?

Of course not.

But that's Jimmy Carter for you.

It's also Jimmy Carter the hypocrite. Carter has always claimed to be the champion of human rights worldwide.

Yet North Korea is one of the most, if not the most, repressive regimes on the planet.

The Stalinist nation is headed by a young madman named Kim Jong-il. Kim likes to watch American movies like "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and then act out his fantasies on his own citizenry. Millions of North Koreans are starving at any given time.

Does Carter have much to say about this?

Of course not. North Korea is an enemy of the U.S., so Carter goes easy on them. When he met Kim, Carter didn't criticize him – he kissed him!

But there is nothing new here.

The media would have us forget Jimmy Carter's presidential record.

But I won't.

Remember Carter's human rights program, where he demanded the Shah of Iran step down and turn over power to the Ayatollah Khomeini?

No matter that Khomeini was a madman. Carter had the U.S. Pentagon tell the Shah's top military commanders – about 150 of them – to acquiesce to the Ayatollah and not fight him.

The Shah's military listened to Carter. All of them were murdered in one of the Ayatollah's first acts.

By allowing the Shah to fall, Carter created one of the most militant anti-American dictatorships ever.

Soon the new Iranian government was ransacking our embassy and held hostage its staff for over a year. Only President Reagan's election gave Iran the impetus to release the hostages.

I believe Carter's decision to have the Shah fall is arguably the most egregious U.S. foreign policy mistake of the last 50 years. [Former President Bush's decision to allow Saddam Hussein to stay in power is a close second.]

With the Shah gone, the whole region was destabilized. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan; no doubt a direct link to the rise of the Taliban can be traced to this invasion. Iraq also took advantage of the Shah's departure to invade Iran. A long war followed that helped make Saddam's Iraq a great Middle Eastern power.

And decades after Carter's ignominious act, Iran is still bent on destroying America. President Bush named it one of the three nations in the "axis of evil." Iran is developing both nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver these weapons to its enemies.

We can thank Jimmy Carter for all of this.

Since Carter left the presidency, he has had little to say about the human rights abuses in Iran. Why should he? Iran opposes the U.S.

Instead, he has focused his attention on Israel, America's lone democratic ally in the Mideast. Recently, Carter suggested that the U.S. should cut off aid to Israel, so angry was he after Israel sought to defend itself in the wake of suicide bombings.

Fair enough. But what has Carter said about Arab or Muslim countries that have had long records of human rights abuse – Syria or Libya or Iran or Iraq?

Not much. One reason may be money. As NewsMax's Dave Eberhart reported recently, Carter and his Carter Center foundation are recipients of millions of dollars of Arab money. (See: Carter's Arab Funding May Color Israel Stance.)

So I give Carter his due. At least he is not a hypocrite in one sense. He is good to the dictators and butchers who give him money.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/12/164726.shtml

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You know, I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Jimmy because of those solar panels.

And I still haven't forgiven Ronnie for taking them down.

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posted March 28, 2006 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iq,

Your narrowmindedness just amazes me. That you would actually base someone's ability to be fair and impartial on their zodiac sign is ludicrous and demonstrates that you really don't have a handle on astrology at all.

You don't understand this country and yet you make that painfully clear with your biased comments. How can you say that Rumsfield killed more people that Arafat? Do you have the totals? I'd love to see a spread sheet that displays the number of deaths directly attributed to Rumsfield, Bush, Cheney, Saddam and Arafat.

Infact, let's look at how many people THEY led their thugs to execute. We can leave out the myth of the war numbers, meaning there was no decree from Bush to murder women and children with a bomb- but you can attribute deaths to Arafat to said executions.


Even if we did incorporate all the collateral damage, there will still be less than that which has been perpetrated by Arafat.


To say that just because YOU live in India means you care about everyone is such a joke I almost died when I read it. DO YOU think you somehow have some kind of block on Peace? Are you kidding? The same people that have a Caste system that is alive and well to this day? (I have worked in the Science and Tech industry for years and had several friends go home to marry a person of "like" stature).

"Chennai, (formerly Madras) the first city of Tamil Nadu, is a comparatively new city. The erstwhile villages of Mylapore, Triplicane, Ezhambur (Egmore) etc. all now a part of Chennai, have a recorded historical past centuries older than Chennai. Chennai, the present gateway to the South of India, is itself, however, only about 350 years old.. "


"Madrassis are zealous gaurdians of Tamil culture which they regard as inherently superior to the hybridized cultures further north. They have, for instance, been among the most vociferous opponents of Hindi being made the national language, and Chennai is the film Center of tamil Nadu - even the State Chief Minister, Jayalalita*, is an ex-movie star."


Huh...seems like you come from an area that has it's own issues with other people. Hmmm... yet you enjoy telling us about our country.

Jwhop is right.. it really doesn't matter what you or any other European thinks of us since you can't even get your own country in order. (God, just look at France)

Hmmm...how about more info:

PROTEST: Puthiya Tamizhagam leader K. Krishnasamy leading a demonstration in Chennai on Monday demanding the Government to implement the High Court order on Kandadevi temple car festival. — Photo: K. Pichumani


CHENNAI: The Puthiya Tamizhagam has urged the Governor, Surjeet Singh Barnala, to use his Constitutional authority to put an end to "caste atrocities" in southern parts of Tamil Nadu, where Dalits were not allowed to participate in a temple car festival at Kandadevi despite a Madras High Court order.

A memorandum, submitted to the Governor on Monday by the party president, K. Krishnasamy, said this year the Dalits were virtually prevented from participating the festival by the police. Scores of Dalits, including women were arrested well in advance.

The memorandum requested the Governor to summon the State HR and CE Minister and officials and get an explanation from them for their "failure to obey the High Court order."

Party volunteers, led by Dr. Krishnasamy, staged a demonstration on Monday demanding that the Government implement the High Court order on Kandadevi temple car festival in letter and spirit.

Another:

fact finding report
Attacks on Dalits in Koothirambakkam near Chennai

Team members
1. Sheelu, President , Tamil Nadu Women's Collective
2. T.S.S. Mani PUCL, Chennai - Chengai District Committee.
3. Ponnuthai, Women's Forum Against Violence on Women, South Tamil Nadu.
4. W.G.Latha - Tamil Nadu Resource Team.
5. Jessy , Kanchi People's Forum
6. Mahesh, Kanchi People's Forum
7. Kannan, human Rights - Tamil Nadu Initiative
8. Pasarai Selvaraj, Dalith Activist, Kancheepuram
9. Mahandran, Kanchi People's Forum

The above team from different parts of Tamil Nadu concerned about social harmony and human rights are pained by the communal clash at Koothirambakkam, in Kancheepuram District on 29th March 2003. Hearing about the incident on the same night, human rights activists from Kancheepuram rushed to the village on 30th March 2003 in the early hours. The team has met both sides of the community. It has met with the daliths as well as the vanniar representatives, particularly the village Panchayath President Ms.Kasthuri.

Description of incident
Koothirambakkam village lies about 15 kms from kancheepuram on the National High way. This village consists of around 300 families of caste Hindus predominantly vanniars and about 58 dalit families. The dalit colony is prominent by the group houses constructed by the state government. The clashes between the caste hindus and dalits is a long standing one. There are several incidents of caste clashes on village deity festival celebrations, leasing temple land, etc.,

Many a times the villages under the leadership of Mr.Madurai has threatened to convert to Islam. Everytime the District administration seems to have appeased them with some immediate benefits. It is believed that 3 years back the district administration gave fishing permission in the Periyeri tank which lies 5 kms away from the village to the dalits and this permission was got in the name of Mr.Arumugam. The same year when they decided to catch fish there was heavy rain and they were not able to catch fish in the particular season. Since then every year when the dalits attempted the caste hindus objected. The year 2003 being an unusually drought year, Periyeri tank was almost empty and the dalits decided to execute their rights.

They sold their right to a Kancheepuram based fishing community which is locally referred to as Sembadavars. On Friday they approached the local Panchayat President Ms.Kasthuri wife of Mohan who happened to be a caste hindu seeking permission to catch fish. They however denied permission saying that fishing would leave the tank water very slushy and it will be difficult to use the water for irrigation purpose. The dalits realised that by denying permission to them the vanniars have already started stealing the fish from the tank and so they decided to execute their rights on Saturday the 29th March. Eight fishing community members and around 10 dalit community members went to the tank for fishing around 2 p.m. Nearly 200 members from the vanniar community came with deadly weapons to the tank and objected and there were wordly quarrel. The use of derogative words against paraiyar caste resulted in clash. The vanniar group caught hold of 8 members and they were beaten and locked inside the Perumal temple which is located in the vanniar side of the village around 4 p.m. Of these 8 people 2 were from the fishing community (Mr.Durai Nadar and Mr.Ramakrishnan) and the other 6 were dalits.

Those dalits who were chased away from the tank ran to the colony. The caste hindu group which preceded to the dalit colony after the lockup show under the leadership of their panchayat president Kasthuri with sticks, Sickles and stones. They stoned the dalits and ransacked the group houses and huts. Household articles, cycles were broken to pieces and is found scattered all over the colony. They beat up old persons who were unable to run for safety. Mr Pandurangan S/o of Anandan whose house was broken and was pulled out of the house and beaten up. The incident was reported at the taluk office by Mr. Madurai around 3 p.m. When many of them ran to the fields, they were beaten up in the fields also. All these incidents happened in a matter of one hour. The people who ran away reported at the local police station.

The police came to the village around 8 p.m. and rescued the locked up people and they also took the injured to the Kancheepuram government hospital. About 18 injured are admitted in the hospital of whom 11 are women and 7 are men. The oldest is Visalam wife of Velu 80 years old and the youngest Rajiv Gandhi 12 yers old son of Murugan. It is said that 3 children Raja (14 years), Rajesh (8 years), Anbu (9years) are found missing from the village. Ms. Amsaveni W/o Anandan, who was returning to the village after some errand at Kancheepuram was beaten up in the field on her way back to the village. The FIR was filed on the basis of her statement.

Findings

The tentacles of untouchability entangle the dalit people even though they stand so close to the State Capital Chennai.

The dalit people are panic striken and could not go for job or send their children to school which is situated in the vanniar area.

The clashes are common and frequent where only the dalit casuality is high.

Three children Raja (14 yrs), Rajesh (8 yrs) and Anbu (9 yrs) are missing from the incident time.

Old women, men and children were the main targets.

There is an ongoing clash between the community particularly the recent incident of government ordering re-auction of Pillaiyar palayam, Thirumateeswarar temple land as Dalit protested the Hindu Religious Charitable Endowments department's failure to inform both the community.

The caste hindu women leading the clash with deadly weapons in hand shows the degree of prevailing caste hatred.

The attack on hapless old persons like Visalam (80 years), Ekambaram (75 years), Annammal (70Years) and Shanmugam (70Years) shows the extend of cruelty of the caste hindus.
Recommendation
We would like to place before the government of Tamil Nadu and the Public the following:

Steps must be taken immediately to give confidence to the members of the dalit community by giving full protection and taking rehabilitation methods immediately.

The dalit of Koothirambakkam have to be compensated for the losses incurred by those families by the district authorities.

The dalit colony is minority colony and so protection must be given to them from the caste hindu community.

Cases have been filed against the caste hindus under section 147, 148, 234, 307, 312, 506/2 and 1989 SC/ST prevention of atrocities act , immediate action should be taken. On the FIR.

All injured dalits should be adequately compensated under 1989 SC/ST Prevention of Atrocities Act.

The long pending issues of the temple deity festival should be peacefully negotiated by the district authority.
List of injured
1. Mr. Pandurangan S/o. Anandan (18 yrs)
2. Ms. Amsaveni W/o Anandan (35 yrs )
3. Mr. Karunanidhi S/o.Sanmugam (40yrs)
4. Ms.Thenniammal W/o Jayaraman (35 yrs)
5. Mr. Shanmugam S/o Ellan (70 yrs)
6. Mr. Rajiv Gandhi S/o.Murugan (12 yrs)
7. Ms. Annamal W/o Erangasamy (70 yrs)
8. Mr. Duraisamy S/o.Sanjeevi (55 yrs)
9. Mr. Subramani S/o Karuppan (50 yrs)
10. Ms. Vanitha W/o Kuttiappan (40 yrs)
11. Ms. Padma W/o Kanniappan (37 yrs)
12. Ms. Batha W/o.Madurai veeran (34 yrs)
13. Mr. Velmurugan S/o Arumugam (35 yrs)
14. Ms. Chellamal S/o Mari (22 yrs)
15. Ms. Visalam W/o. Velu (80 yrs)
16. Ms. Krishnaveni W/o. Sundaram (55 yrs)
17. Mr. Murugasen S/o.Durai (45 yrs)
18. Ms. Athirupavathi S/o. Sundaram (25 yrs)
19. Mr. Ekambaram S/oNeenchimotha (75 yrs)
http://www.pucl.org/Topics/Dalit-tribal/2003/koothirambakkam.htm

Should I keep going on IQ? Let's talk about how much your country cares about everyone.

LMAO

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posted March 28, 2006 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll always remember Jimmy Carter. If for no other reasons than stagflation...high inflation and high unemployment occurring simultaneously and 20% interest rates.

Nothing sticks in the mind longer than a story about being attacked by a "killer rabbit".

Of the 2 brothers, Jimmy and Billy Carter, I always thought Billy was the sane one, although his Billy Beer brand didn't catch on. Still, it was fun to watch Jimmy squirm whenever Billy's name came up in questions by the press.

Yeah, those solar hot water heating panels gave the White House a look of affluence and sophistication undreamed of by other Presidents.

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Nothing.....

...but try and make him look like an A$$HOLE

........by the the REAL A$$HOLES....


And that's my point. So why are people wasting time and energy thinking/talking/pondering it?

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posted March 28, 2006 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, time to stop talking/thinking about censuring Carter and just do it.

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posted March 28, 2006 04:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
....to what end?????

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posted March 28, 2006 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Mychal Massie

Blame Carter, not Bush
Posted: March 28, 2006
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I recently heard Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., caterwauling how it has been three months since the Dec.15, 2005, Iraqi National Assembly elections and they still haven't accomplished anything. Besides her comments being arrogant, inflammatory, politically motivated and baneful – the more appropriate question would be: "What has she done since she's been in office?"

Feinstein has been a U.S. senator for 14 years. What has America gained from her alleged service? Apart from supporting the murder of unborn children and the genocide of blacks, homosexual marriage, undermining the Second Amendment, opposing school prayer and welfare reform, what has she done?


She, in typical liberal fashion, claimed to support the war in Iraq, only to realize she had been duped by the dumbest man in America. As "The Center for Public Policy" has reported, her claims of being misled didn't prevent her and her billionaire investor husband, Richard Blum, from personally capitalizing on this war to the tune of tens of millions of dollars and still counting. It would seem that any moral outrage she may have had has been assuaged by personal bank accounts filled with war money. (See: "The Windfalls of War" by Bob Williams)

The liberal Democrats are like an itching dermatitis covering the body politic, causing festering and discomfort wherever they are found. Senate Democrat leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., recently called President Bush "dangerously incompetent." As he sees it, Bush has no plan for winning the war in Iraq. But here again, Gollum offers no plan of his own, only the sepsis mantra of "Bush dumb, war bad." Reid has repeatedly voiced his contempt for blacks, so it comes as no surprise that he attacks Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as not properly doing her job. In his mind, the only job she is qualified for is changing sheets and mopping floors.

Liberal Democrats in New Mexico have called for the president's impeachment, because of "perceived abuses of power and corruption in [his] administration." What a novel idea – impeach the president for "perceived" wrongdoing. They no doubt borrowed that idea from one of the foreign courts they continue to argue we should pattern our laws after – perhaps one in Venezuela or Nicaragua or Haiti. Only the fatuous minds of Democrat leadership would suggest penalties based on their definition of perceptions.

The truth is the liberal party that was founded on racism, slavery and separatism are in the process of losing their minds. On the one hand, it is hysterical to listen to their mendacious diatribes. On the other, they are a sad commentary on the landscape of human existence. They are a morose collective of impuissants who, being out of power and void of constructive ideas, rely upon ipse dixit and misrepresentations. They forget, however, that there is a written record that convicts them of their duplicity.

I have outlined the president's shortcomings numerous times, but he cannot truthfully be castigated when it comes to this war. The person responsible for the instability in the Middle East and the spread of terrorism is the liberal's own Jimmy Carter. For the face of the worse president in the history of America, one need go no further than Plains, Ga.

Carter brought about the instability by refusing to back his threatened show of force with action when Americans were taken hostage in Iran in 1979. By failing to take action, Carter failed the Middle East and more importantly he failed to faithfully fulfill his duties as president of the United States. Carter's betrayal of the late shah of Iran not only left a power vacuum that was filled by the Ayatollah Khomeini, but his betrayal and failure allowed for the rise of radical Islam, which culminated in Sept. 11, 2001.

If Reid and Russ Feingold, D-Wis., were truly interested in holding someone accountable for American deaths, they would start with Carter. If investigative reporters were interested in investigative reporting, they would investigate why Carter continues to cozy up to dictators around the world. They would report that war is ugly, and that good men die participating in it. They would report on the war itself, not try to generate opposition to it.

But they will not because they cannot. All referenced here within have a vested interest in seeing the war effort fail, regardless the level of failure. The actions of the left and their minions clearly show they do not care about military loss of life, they care about using same as a tool to regain power.

They are blinded by self-righteous arrogance and elitism, not for a moment realizing radical Muslims hate them as much they hate the rest of us.

Paraphrasing Republican National Committee spokesman, Tucker Bounds – Reid, Feinstein, Feingold, Kennedy, et. al, are the figureheads of the cabal that has stood in steadfast obstruction to virtually every tool being used to keep America safe – with the mainstream media as their sycophant heralds.

The question remaining is: "Under what scenario does their behavior constitute love for America?"
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SecretGardenAgain
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posted March 28, 2006 06:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How in the world can Carter's leniency with Iran have anything to do with the Iraqi war?? I dont understand why people don't see the geography of the middle east and diversity in ethnicity there. Persians are a whole different ballgame from the Arabs...particularly when it comes to sunni and shia divisions the two are very very distinct in religious mentality and foreign relations.

And yes Yasir Arafat was a militant, but isnt that just a charged word for a military leader by the opposing army? According to Palestinians, Sharon is the militant, a prominent war hero in Israel, who has definitely not killed any less people than Arafat. And thats words out of reformed Rabbi Krause's mouth, who held office in Isreal government circa 10 yrs ago. The truth is simply that Arafat died out a long time ago in terms of his policy...he totally sold out and became diluted with confusion. He condemned Hamas (okay thats fine), but at the same time he was corrupt as heck and laundered aid from all over the world under the pretense of 'helping the Palestinian people' and 'building an army', both things were never done. After Egypt and Jordan lost to Isreal, basically the war was over. Arafat has never done anything to counter Isreal's dominance over Palestinian territory.

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posted March 28, 2006 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a Shame that you can't understand it SG. I am sure if you spent more time researching the cause and effects that lead to where we are today you would see the clear line between the two.

You may not ever be able to find the correlation between what has happened and what we are doing at this time. Arafat may have been Palestinian, but he waged war on more than Jewish people. He sponsored terrorism and supported terrorists.

Sure one can say that Israel has also committed acts of war, but they did not sponsor roving terrorist westerners to take out Muslim Mosque's did they?

Personally, I do see a problem with Israel and wish we could pull our money out of that country. They can't seem to follow any rules and neither can the Arab states (which sponsor the Palestinians who also harbor and sponsor terrorists).

So, just because "ethinically" they are different DOES not mean they don't come together against anyone or anything that they define as an infidel.

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posted March 29, 2006 08:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The whole point was that they are more than ethnically different. The Arabs and Persians have alwys had different mentalities, and especially now more than ever, religion divides them. Just as America capitalized on the vast gulf and misunderstandings between sunni and shia in Iraq (Shias are resentful of Sunnis because they think Saddam represented Sunnism, NOT true, why would he fight with the Sunnis in Kuwait). Similarly, the Persians are either Shia or Jewish (the two most predominant faiths), and the Arabs are heavily sunni. I posted this in another thread as well...who can forget the Iranis opening fire on the Kaaba, the holiest place for Sunnis all around the world? It was a fiasco of mammoth proportions...and created a huge difference between sunni and shiite thought. Basically, shiism isnt just beating the chest and following Ali like a lot of people think....it is a political and religious ideology which is hugely different from Sunnism. It emerged fifty years after the death of Mohammad (peace be upon him), almost 1400 years ago. And ever since then, their views on hejab, shariah, jehad, islam, and infidels have differed VASTLY. So much so that the term infidel you've used (which by the way is not even a term remotely associated with Islam, there is believer and unbeliever, infidel is a Crusade-Christianity term), has been used by the Shias to describe the Sunnis and vice versa. In fact and history has always proven that Shias have been more friendly to Western influence than Sunnis, and Shiism very closely models Catholocism...The Shiites in Pakistan (Musharraf has shiite background actually even though he is 'sunni'), the Shiites in Iran (before Khomeini, a radical of course, but his radicalism is dying out), and the Shiites in Lebanon and Palestine align themselves much more with America than the Sunnis. So in short yes there is a big difference in foreign policy between Shias and Sunnis, and the definition of unbelievers or kafirs, and the enforcement of punishment or the meaning of jehad.

Arafat 'sponsored terrorism and supported terrorists' according to your post Pidaua, but can you give me the names and dates? Undoubtedly Arafat put on the 'extremist mask' to get into office and get public support. But was he really 'extremist'? I think he was a p^ssy under it all really. Extremists' causes don't die out as soon as they get office, they are supposed to be implemented then. The true extremist would be Khomeini. And as far as Hamas is concerned, every Muslim supports them to SOME degree, because all Muslims agree that they are the only caretakers of the Palestinian people. People dont understand that Hamas is the only organization actively helping the orphans and widows in Palestine. If Fatah or the Israeli government had done so, there would be no need for Hamas...and I could say with 100% confidence that they would not have won the election. People do not like them because they are terrorist (and thus do not support terrorism) they simply like to be taken care of (think how Hitler got elected in Germany).

And to answer your question, yes Israel has sponsored terrorists to take out Muslim mosques. And any honest Isreali you will talk to will even tell you that. What is the Mossad basically it is Isreali and European Jews who are taking out Muslim mosques and hunting down Palestinians who may or may not be terrorist. Rabbi Krause, who has held office in Isreal, even admitted so himself.

I agree that neither Israel nor the Arab states have been following the rules. Its a shame. The closest they came however, was the camp david accord...and so I dont understand why Carter is so villified.

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posted March 29, 2006 10:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SecretGarden says...

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I agree that neither Israel nor the Arab states have been following the rules. Its a shame.

The closest they came however, was the camp david accord...and so I dont understand why Carter is so villified


Some people have "selective memory", SG...

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posted March 29, 2006 10:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good points SGA

Here's some information about the
“The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict”

Compiled, Edited, and Published by
Jews for Justice in The Middle East
P.O. Box 14561
Berkeley CA 94712


edited to add...

Stats on the no. of Palestinans vs. Israelis impacted by this conflict:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

quote:
Action Focus #1
Israel is the largest recipient of US. aid in the entire world. It receives more aid than that given to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean, put together
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/index.html

quote:
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the world’s major sources of instability. Americans are directly connected to this conflict, and increasingly imperiled by its devastation.

It is the goal of If Americans Knew to provide full and accurate information on this critical issue, and on our power – and duty – to bring a resolution.


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thanks DD. And how could I forget to add that Iraq and Iran had a 10 year war, so it never fails to amaze me how Americans can just lump the two nations together as having the same mentality and posing a 'threat' to the US. What was the evidence for any trace of Al Qaeda in Iraq? If you look at it logically, Iraq is a Sunni nationalist regime (or was, in Saddams time), with its primary focus on ethnic cleansing of the shiites and non-sunni minorities. Iran is a radical Shia shariah-based political system, with focus on isolationism, implementation of the strict shiite shariah down to the letter, and 'jehad' against all unbelievers (MOSTLY INCLUDING SUNNI NEIGHBORS). Al Qaeda is a modern movement that stems from SUNNI WAHABISM. Sunni Wahabism is dominant ONLY in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. Osama Bin Laden clearly identifies himself as wahabi. So why can't people understand that? To Wahabis, shiites are dirty ******** , and sunni nationalists are even worse, they are traitors within the sunnis. They even hate deobundis and barelvis, which are the two major sunni schools of thought. These people are messed up (wahabis).

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SGA, that's the way the US gov't seems to play their game. Make all those who aren't their "allies" into terrorists that want to destroy America. The irony is that they are creating more and more reasons for their destruction by invading other countries and doing what ever they want.

It's unfortunate there are so many divides among so called Muslims. I personally don't follow a sect. Born a Sunni, I follow the Sunnah, which all Muslims actually do but I dont belong to a sect.

I wonder if the civil war happening in Iraq was in the plans for the US admin...that's why they're denying it. They knew once Saddam was gone the different sects would go against each other. And that bombing of the Shia mosque? Wouldnt be surprised if who ever did that were agents, or paid by agents. That is a great way to create civil war. United we stand. Divided we fall. The last thing the US admin wants to see is a strong and united Iraq. They need to put in their puppets some how so they can get their way.

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