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Topic: Saddam Ordered Suicide Attacks on US
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2006 12:24 AM
Another story missing from the leftist American media.Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:01 p.m. EDT Saddam Ordered Suicide Attacks on U.S. Targets A newly translated document from Saddam Hussein's intelligence files indicates that the Iraqi dictator ordered suicide attacks against U.S. targets six months before the 9/11 attacks. Dated March 11, 2001, the Iraqi memo reads: To all the Units Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us. The document is signed by Air Brigadier General Abdel Magid Hammot Ali. While the big media has so far ignored the find, Captain's Quarters blogger Ed Morrissey notes: "If this translation stands up to further scrutiny, it will provide a substantial answer to the question of Saddam's role in terrorism, both in general and specifically aimed at America. "This memo will prove that Saddam had no intention of remaining neutralized in the region. He not only funded and encouraged terrorism, but he actively recruited terrorists from the ranks of his own military to carry out suicide attacks on American interests." http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/6/230437.shtml?s=ic IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2006 01:24 AM
Nice unsubstantiated article. Perhaps you could provide something with a verifiable reference.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2006 01:36 AM
Hey acoustic, stuff it.If you won't accept Saddam's own documents captured from within Iraq, then no amount of proof would suffice for you...probably not even a signed confession from Saddam himself would do because you're way too far invested in the leftist lie...Bush lied, people died. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2006 01:47 AM
quote: If you won't accept Saddam's own documents captured from within Iraq,
If this were printed in the NYT would you believe it? Well then I'm sure you'll understand why I won't accept the singular voice of NewsMax claiming something as true. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2006 09:34 AM
You don't take your head out very often do you acoustic? If you did, you would know NewsMax is NOT the singular source for the document detailing Saddam's order for suicide bombers to attack US interests.If you ever pulled your head out, you would know there are some 48,000 boxes of captured audio tapes, video tapes and paper documents which have been or are in the process of being released. Most are not translated into english but the process of translation is beginning and some have been translated. Of course, since the NY Times didn't print it, I'm sure you think the entire process is a hoax because you're one of those dwindling few who believe every word the Times prints. When the Times doesn't print, then for you, the story doesn't exist and it must be a hoax. March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-War documents April 5 2006 Page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654 is a Top Secret letter dated March/11/2001 six months prior to 9/11/2001, proves that not only Saddam Regime supported terrorists organization like Hamas and Al Qaeda as we have learned from other documents but also they were recruiting Suicide Terrorist Bombers to hit US interests. Saddam Regime was a TERRORIST REGIME and there was no other way but to destroy it after 9/11. Beginning of the translation of page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654
In the Name of God the Merciful The Compassionate Top Secret The Command of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base No 3/6/104 Date 11 March 2001 To all the Units Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us. Air Brigadier General Abdel Magid Hammod Ali Commander of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base Air Colonel Mohamad Majid Mahdi. End of translation of page 6 http://www .freerepublic.com/focus/search?s=Saddam+orders+suicide+bombing+of+US+interests&ok=Search&q=quick&m=any&o=score&SX=443666ee8f1e6ef9ca88536b8d986b5f17548c33
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2006 04:28 PM
quote: Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web.
http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm So now I'm supposed to believe that two Conservative sources got it right? How about this statement about the document(s) in question: quote: The U.S. Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available. http://www.dni.gov/release_letter_20060316.html
Legally they've covered their behinds ensuring that they could get away with putting out a false translation, or even a false document. I'm not saying conclusively that they did, but in the new world of American politics it's all about finding the legal loophole and getting the American people to buy the Administration's stance. They say Clinton was good, but this administration is the ultimate in misleading the public. Aside from that there are a number of interesting things to look at here: 1. "In the Name of God the Merciful The Compassionate" Since when is Saddam a religious man? His regime is always typified as being 'secular,' even by Al Qaeda leaders. 2. "Saddam Regime supported terrorists organization like Hamas and Al Qaeda"
This is a direct contradiction to your stated viewpoint that there was no collaborative relationship between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Are you flipflopping?
--------------------------------------- Did you try to open the document? It's taking forever! I've had it downloading for over the last hour and it still hasn't shown up. I'm at 16.30MB of 46.66MB right now, and our connection isn't slow. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2006 04:57 PM
It's at 19.78MB now. I wonder if it will get done before quitting time.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2006 08:18 PM
It's after 5:00 now, and the thing has downloaded. It's 427 pages. I'm at 124, and I haven't seen a single word of interpretation.Skipping to the end... still no interpretation. So the question is: Where did the translation come from? Where can you find it outside of Conservative news? Anyone know this language to translate it? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 08, 2006 08:36 PM
I'm anxiously awaiting an answer to this one.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 02, 2007 01:37 PM
Hey acoustic, if you won't accept the word of Saddam Hussien's military commanders in secret communications on the subject, whose word would you accept? How about Michael Moore, Nancy Pee-losi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy? Do you think they would be more credible sources than millions of captured documents, some top secret...from Iraqi ministries?PT Barnum was right. There is a sucker born every minute and they all have their heads screwed on with left hand threads. IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon unregistered
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posted July 02, 2007 02:00 PM
"left" handed or "right" handed - doesn't make any difference of the screw! ------------------ Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak, sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 03, 2007 02:36 PM
Even the French consider the left threaded screws to be "gauche". One of the points on which the French and I agree. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 03, 2007 02:59 PM
That's funny Jwhop considering that the documents in question didn't in any way corroborate the article you posted. I looked at them. Did you? Did you have them translated? Did you ever clear up the whole religious aspect of this interpretation taking into consideration that Saddam is an unabashed atheist?I would have to assume that given the length of time since you last posted on this thread, and given the fact that you didn't post a single word that verifies the article you started out with, that you got nothin' and this was just a regular conservative propaganda piece. Would you care to put in some diligence in proving the ridiculous assertion made by your article? ... I didn't think so. And for anyone who wishes to help Jwhop in this endeavor, I wish you luck. You're definitely going to need a miracle to pull this argument off. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 05, 2007 12:12 PM
"Dated March 11, 2001, the Iraqi memo reads:To all the Units Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us. The document is signed by Air Brigadier General Abdel Magid Hammot Ali. " Seems perfectly sensible to me acoustic....to take this secret memo at full face value....in view of the fact Saddam Hussein ordered an asassination of Ex-President George H. W. Bush. A plot with failed....much to the sorrow of leftists everywhere. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 05, 2007 06:13 PM
So you're still saying that you neither have the document, nor any proof whatsoever of it's translation? That's what I thought. You really are pretty gullible. I'd like to take this moment to remind you that it's absolutely impossible to win an argument if you can't provide any verification whatsoever to the validity of what your position is. (And, yes, I did notice how you omitted the religious reference from this current posting of the 'so-called' memo from Saddam.) IP: Logged |