posted April 10, 2006 01:04 AM            

Americans support building a security fence along the entire 2,000 mile U.S.- Mexican border by a landslide, a new Time magazine poll has found.

By a margin of 56 to 40 percent, respondents said they want the wall built from sea to shining sea - not just the 700 miles stipulated in the House plan, a proposal the press calls "draconian."

In more evidence that the American people want a tougher crackdown on illegal immigration than anything favored by Congress or the media, 62 percent told Time that they favored using the military to guard the border. Just 35 percent opposed.

But the poll's biggest shocker may be on the question of deporting illegals back to their native country, an option that politicians and the press say is out of the question.

Time found, however, that 47 percent of those surveyed actually favor deporting "all illegal immigrants." 49 percent were opposed.
And 51 percent said the U.S. would be "better of" if all illegals were deported and the border sealed to prevent any more from coming in. Just 38 percent disagreed.

A full 75 percent say illegals should be denied government supplied healthcare and food stamps, with 21 percent saying they should get those benefits. 69 percent say illegals shouldn't be allowed to get U.S. drivers licenses.

posted April 10, 2006 11:43 AM            

The Times Magazine Poll was tough to find, but it also said:

* Most (73%) favor a guest worker program for illegal immigrants, with a quarter (23%) opposing. The public is split though on whether they should be eligible to register for the program in the U.S. (50%) or have to return to their home countries to apply (46%).

* About two-thirds (64%) favor granting temporary visas to immigrants not currently in the United States to do seasonal or temporary work here and then return to their own countries;

* About 3-in-4 (76%) favor allowing illegal immigrants in the U.S., citizenship if they learn English, have a job and pay taxes;

* A majority (56%) think illegal immigrants are taking jobs that U.S. citizens do not want or cannot do.

posted April 10, 2006 12:37 PM            

Sunday, April 9, 2006 10:46 p.m. EDT
Time Poll: Americans Back Border Fence, Deportations and Denying Benefits

Americans support building a security fence along the entire 2,000 mile U.S.- Mexican border by a landslide, a new Time magazine poll has found.

By a margin of 56 to 40 percent, respondents said they want the wall built from sea to shining sea - not just the 700 miles stipulated in the House plan, a proposal the press calls "draconian."

In more evidence that the American people want a tougher crackdown on illegal immigration than anything favored by Congress or the media, 62 percent told Time that they favored using the military to guard the border. Just 35 percent opposed.

But the poll's biggest shocker may be on the question of deporting illegals back to their native country, an option that politicians and the press say is out of the question.

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Time found, however, that 47 percent of those surveyed actually favor deporting "all illegal immigrants," and 49 percent were opposed.
Most, 51 percent, said the U.S. would be "better of" if all illegals were deported and the border sealed to prevent any more from coming in. Just 38 percent disagreed.

A full 75 percent say illegals should be denied government supplied health care and food stamps, with 21 percent saying they should get those benefits. A majority, 69 percent, say illegals shouldn't be allowed to get U.S. drivers licenses.

posted April 10, 2006 01:48 PM            

The numbers are what they are acoustic..no matter what kind of spin Time tries to put on the numbers with their comments.

"The debate has Americans voicing sometimes contradictory opinions. A small majority (51%) still think the U.S. would be "better off" by deporting all illegal immigrants compared to a little less than two-in-five (38%) who think the U.S. would be "worse off."

"Americans would also limit illegals' access to government services, such as driver's licenses (69% not allow), health care/food stamps (75% not allow), and attending public schools (51% not allow)."

"About 7-in-10 (72%) favor granting temporary visas to immigrants not currently in the United States to do seasonal or temporary work here and then return to their own countries;[/b]

"62% favor taking whatever steps are necessary at the borders, including the use of the military, to cut the flow of illegals into this country.
56% favor building a security fence along the U.S.-Mexican border."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1179089,00.html

posted April 10, 2006 03:17 PM            

I know you're into spin acoustic but I prefer just the information. I'll sort out what it means for myself.

posted April 10, 2006 07:19 PM            

I think it is apparant that no matter what you say, what documentation you provide or how you try to explain things in the most simplistic terms, AG will NEVER get it. Not because he is obtuse, but because he has a personal conflict with you and anything you say.

Had anyone else (well, other than me or Lotus) posted this - he would be discussing the statistics like a reasonable human being.

He does not care that there is a PROFOUND difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL migrants that come into our country. The latter come through MY HOME COUNTY - so I get to see them in action as well as the minute men, the illegal benefits and the drug traffiking. I'd love for some of these libbies to live a day out here or in Southern California where the state went bankrupt and had to recoop - slowly - only to vote to REVOKE illegals from getting aid...

It just doesn't make sense - because the cons outweigh the benefits. If the state spends BILLIONS of taxpayers money to fund the illegals yet the businesses are only saving MILLIONS in hiring them - what should be done? Penalize the businesses AND deport the illegals. At least in my opinion.

We have all these people crying that they can't even get a minimum wage paying position - fine.. work in the fields, clean toilets and while you're at it work in a restaurant. I did - I cleaned up dog sh1t for minimum wage to put myself through college. I made a whopping $4.25 an hour while taking classes full time at the University that I paid to attend instead of getting a full ride for being illegal and having a few kids here.

posted April 10, 2006 07:38 PM            

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your nutty but more frequented sites...Daily Kos or Democrat Underground...speaking of which, democrats are about to get buried again.

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I don't think I've ever been to either of those sites.

posted April 10, 2006 07:57 PM            

I don't find fault with the times poll, but I also think that you posting the "guest worker" stat is WAY different than what the times says later in the article about how American's feel about ILLEGAL immigration and our support (or lack of desire to support) it anymore.

The article you post says it right there in black and white -

While Americans overwhelmingly favor the guest worker option, they also want a crackdown at the border and stiff penalties for employers who hire illegals.

82% say that the United States is not doing enough to keep illegals from entering this country.

62% favor taking whatever steps are necessary at the borders, including the use of the military, to cut the flow of illegals into this country.

56% favor building a security fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.

71% support major penalties for employers who hire illegals. Contradictions and Limits to Illegals' Access to Services
The debate has Americans voicing sometimes contradictory opinions.

A small majority (51%) still think the U.S. would be "better off" by deporting all illegal immigrants compared to a little less than two-in-five (38%) who think the U.S. would be "worse off."

Americans would also limit illegals' access to government services, such as driver's licenses (69% not allow), health care/food stamps (75% not allow), and attending public schools (51% not allow). Support Beyond Guest Workers Most Americans would allow illegal immigrants to gain citizenship under certain circumstances.

About 7-in-10 (72%) favor granting temporary visas to immigrants not currently in the United States to do seasonal or temporary work here and then return to their own countries;
About 3-in-4 (78%) favor allowing illegal immigrants in the U.S. citizenship if they learn English, have a job and pay taxes;
A majority (55%) think illegal immigrants are taking jobs that U.S. citizens do not want or cannot do.
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What is it that you are trying to state? Yes, we can all agree that American's are more willing to support the guest worker program. Yes, we can SEE that both the Time Mag and NewMax have it right when they state how American's feel about ILLEGAL immigration.

posted April 10, 2006 10:26 PM            

How do you account for that acoustic? Perhaps you've all been mind conditioned using the same technique?

Perhaps you're all getting your daily talking points from the same source?

posted April 10, 2006 10:33 PM            

How can I account for something I know nothing about?

Do they get their news off of Yahoo like I do? How controversial!

Passive aggressive? Show me an example of me being passive aggressive with you. I'm pretty certain I'm downright confrontational mixed with a bit of self-discipline to at least give you the opportunity to try to dig yourself out of your holes.

And yes, if you say the world's flat when it's actually round I will call you on it.

posted April 10, 2006 10:57 PM            

Show me where the Daily Kos is mimicking me, because I don't see it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/

Here again a site that isn't mimicking me.

posted April 10, 2006 11:08 PM            

You don't get out in the real world much do you?

Well, let's see acoustic. For starters, I started this thread...Senate out of step with America. You post a Time poll attempting to prove just the opposite...even though the poll clearly shows the majority do not agree with the Senate amnesty bill but identify much more with the House Bill.

I actually go to dailykos.com and democratunderground.com on occasion acoustic, just to see what the leftist radicals are saying. Sounds a lot like your blather.

Lucky you, the earth isn't flat, you'd have fallen off the left edge long ago.

posted April 10, 2006 11:41 PM            

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You post a Time poll attempting to prove just the opposite...even though the poll clearly shows the majority do not agree with the Senate amnesty bill but identify much more with the House Bill.

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Ah, see? You misinterpret me. As I explained to Pid I posted TIME on their own poll, because I don't trust NewsMax to tell the WHOLE story (even if they get PART of the story correct).

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Wow, all that ego acoustic....you thought I was saying dailykos and democratunderground are "mimicking" YOU.

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posted April 19, 2006 07:48 PM            

You're into balance, not the truth.

posted April 19, 2006 08:33 PM              

Sending EveryOne Lots of Love..

posted April 19, 2006 10:36 PM              

It might be right because America is full of racists. Why are they not proposing a fence also be built along the Canadian border as well if it were not racist in origin?

It's a waste of tax dollars and we have a deficit now we will never be able to pay back thanks to Bush and yet they want to waste billions of dollars more on the Republicans racist policies of only keeping the dark skin people out.

Besides Halliburton doesn't mind using illegal aliens in it's clean up effort in New Orleans and Bush got Halliburton to do the job so he must be aware of that fact. Hypocrites!!!

posted April 19, 2006 10:43 PM              

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It might be right because America is full of racists. Why are they not proposing a fence also be built along the Canadian border as well if it were not racist in origin?

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