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Mirandee unregistered
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posted May 24, 2006 11:53 PM
quote: And now, America erupts because… the Bush administration has been secretly trying to build a database of every single phone call in the country, and it probably already includes your calls.Over the weekend, both Newsweek and USA Today/Gallup released polls showing that a majority of Americans think the secret NSA database program “goes too far,” as they say. I guess 200,000 dead, or seven and a half million, wouldn’t have been quite far enough.
I think this is what Jwhop is referring to but it was only stated sarcastically as an example of what will get the attention of Americans and what they will consider "too far" while they don't get that riled up over the war and the number of dead from that war. It was hardly what the article was all about or what it was really trying to say as Jwhop stated. IP: Logged |
Petron unregistered
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posted May 25, 2006 03:28 AM
no, jwhop knows what i'm referring to.... IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 25, 2006 09:45 AM
Posted by salome..on this thread, May 16, 2006.White House Blocks Investigations Into Spying By John Nichols, TheNation.com. Posted May 15, 2006. quote: The Justice Department claims that its attempt to investigate Bush's eavesdropping programs has gone nowhere because its staff was denied security clearance. With news reports exposing the National Security Agency's previously secret spying on the phone conversations of tens of millions of Americans
The implication of syping on "phone conversations" is "listening" to phone conversations under what is really a data mining program. Hope this answers your question about the lie...one of many too numerous to list in the articles and direct posted comments of salome and others. IP: Logged |
Petron unregistered
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posted May 25, 2006 09:53 AM
quotation marks are used to preserve an authors actual words jwhop, not to make up something that wasnt said.......thats the kind of lie newsmax generally resorts to.... apparently you were the only one confused by that article...... IP: Logged |
Petron unregistered
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posted May 25, 2006 10:00 AM
and by the way......the nsa doesnt need to ask for names and addresses,....... once it has the telephone number IP: Logged |
Mirandee unregistered
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posted May 25, 2006 01:09 PM
Jwhop is just attempting to manipulate the discussion by selecting one small thing that was only stated sarcastically in the article in an attempt to avoid a discussion of what the article was truly about and get us arguing with him about an entirely different subject. He does that repeatedly on these threads. Hasn't anyone else caught on to that tactic yet? That puts Jwhop in control of what we disscuss and nothing is really ever discussed because of the insuing argument he has started which quickly deteriorate into name calling and labeling by Jwhop and those that support his thinking. This is a control tactic on Jwhop's part and the part of the others because they do not want viewpoints that oppose theirs to be discussed on these threads. What the gist of the article is truly about is questioning why the American public ignores the crimes against humanity and all the other freedoms we are losing under the Bush leadership and do not get upset and speak out regarding those but only get upset about things that they feel directly effects them and their lives while missing the bigger picture. The other possibility, if not for control purposes, is that Jwhop's mind is so narrow that he cannot see but one isolated thing at a time in the bigger picture. Which gives a lot of credence to what this author is talking about. IP: Logged |
Rainbow~ unregistered
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posted May 25, 2006 04:58 PM
Yeah....I've seen jwhop do that, Mirandee....For example....digging up something about Mengele "proving" that he wasn't "smuggled" into the U.S.......thereby discrediting the existence of the whole MK Ultra thing and what they were doing....*sigh* Don't know if he realizes he does that or not.... IP: Logged |
DayDreamer unregistered
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posted May 25, 2006 08:40 PM
Excellent post salome (sorry about the late reply) quote: In October of 2001, the United Nations warned that due to a brutal combination of poverty, drought, dislocation, and long years of warfare, up to seven and a half million people were at risk of dying from starvation during Afghanistan’s coming months -- at precisely the time that the United States launched a post-9-11 war to displace the ruling Taliban. As the snows of late November approached, and with them a guaranteed death sentence for millions living in areas made impassable to aid trucks by winter snows, Washington refused to halt its bombing runs and Northern Alliance proxy war long enough for aid to resume. It was only through the serendipitous decision of the Taliban to withdraw to the mountains before winter’s onset that mass famine -- in effect, a genocidal invasion -- was averted. Virtually nobody in America noticed the narrowly avoided holocaust.On October 29, 2004, the British medical journal Lancet published a peer-reviewed article that made a compelling case that to date the U.S. invasion of Iraq had caused some 100,000 deaths over and above the civilian mortality that Iraq would have experienced in peacetime. Given that more time has passed since then than between the original U.S. invasion and the writing of the study, and that the insurgency has only intensified in that time, and that civil war has begun on top of it, and given the additional cumulative effects of war on public health and mortality, that number undoubtedly now exceeds 200,000 Iraqi deaths. The number continues to climb daily. You can find the details each day, a few of them, in small type, on page A27, under “World: In Other News.” And now, America erupts because… the Bush administration has been secretly trying to build a database of every single phone call in the country, and it probably already includes your calls.
quote: So: why do we care about someone knowing who we called, but not about the obliteration of whole cities or countries? Don’t we need a little, like, perspective here? Aren’t we talking not about not just criminal actions and civil liberty violations here, but war crimes? And if Saddam Hussein is on trial for crimes against humanity, why isn’t George W. Bush?
Why isn't the US government doing an Iraqi body count?? And if 100,000 deaths were estimated for the fall of 2004 imagine how many lives have been taken now that it is the summer of 2006...almost two years later and the war is still happening!!!
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