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jwhop
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posted June 20, 2006 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pacifist fever: Don't catch it

Posted: June 19, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com
Doug Powers

You wish the world could be completely peaceful, and so do I. There, now that we've got that out of the way, we can work our way back to the real world, almost, and talk about the upcoming World Peace Forum in Vancouver,Canada, which begins this Friday and runs through June 28.

Here's the basic description of the event from their website:

The mission of the Forum is to create a global culture of peace. This is how we propose to implement our mission:


Publish a World Peace Forum statement:

''Building a Culture of Peace and Sustainability,'' for the global community,

outlining what individuals, communities, cities, groups, and nations can do locally to create a culture of peace and sustainability.

Create an ongoing legacy of bi-annual World Peace Forums, in cities around the world, to refine, promote, and expand the culture of peace and sustainability.

Encourage communities and nations to plan for peace, for example, by inaugurating Departments of Peace at city, regional, and national levels of government.

Celebrate and protect diversity of culture locally and globally.

Make war abhorrent, peace popular, and the restoration and protection of our global ecosystems a priority.

This all has the makings of some bumper sticker slogans that are sure to be adorning hybrids everywhere in the coming year, but after that we're still stuck with vastly differing perspectives.

For example, I thought the U.S. did have a ''Department of Peace,'' and it's called the ''military.'' And who busted those would-be terrorists in Toronto before they fulfilled their sick dreams and killed who knows how many, perhaps including, heaven forbid, peace activists?

The world has yet to see a single tin pot wingnut or murderous thug brought down by a bumper sticker, picket sign or bed-in.

The peace activist also has an inability, or more accurately put, an unwillingness, to target the message to the proper market. Consider Yoko Ono, wife of John Lennon, peace activist, and "singer" whose shriek is the mating call of the Tinnitus Warbler.

In 2003, Ono rented a billboard in London, which read: ''Imagine all people living life in peace.'' Now that cashiers at Piccadilly Square gift shops and bellboys at The Conrad have read the message, is the world that much closer to eliminating the threat of war?

Why don't peace activists hold their events and display their billboards not in Canada, London or New York, but in places where they can preach to the sinners instead of the choir? How about Tehran, Beijing, Pyongyang, Mogadishu and in the backyards of drug cartels? Because pacifists are bright enough to realize it's incredibly dangerous to espouse pacifism outside walls heavily guarded by that which pacifists stand firmly opposed.


This is why peace forums will always be held in nations that, for the most part, have been historically smart enough to not base any policy whatsoever on the advice of the kind of people who go to peace forums.

When I was a kid, a rudimentary economic idea sprang to mind: If everybody worked for free, everything would be free. This brief flirtation with quasi-Marxist/Leninist/Idiotarian philosophy at the age of around ten exited my head at the speed at which it arrived.

Why? Because I realized how stupid it was at the same moment it occurred to me. Even then, I knew that if everything were free, nobody would work. Heck, it's hard enough to get some people to work even when everything is expensive.

Pacifism is a similar belief, because it's simply not possible in the real world. The simple truth is this: Thanks to wars, we're free to pursue pacifism.

Whenever I write about pacifism, I get letters from readers saying that pacifists have less to do with "world peace," and more to do with pushing communist, Marxist-Leninist, or some wacky off-shoot thereof, political agendas. If this is true, then those particular pacifists are among the biggest warmongers of them all, because totalitarian regimes spend "Paris Hilton on a shopping spree''-sized dollars on militarizing everything to the point where even their cats and dogs are goose-stepping to the tune of "It's hip to be Tiananmen Square."

If there's something that should be gleaned from the past, it's that the idea of global peace in the absence of sane strength is, in reality, a dangerous goal and should be considered (by anybody interested in retaining their breathing privileges for any length of time) in the same way you'd enter "Pat and Teddy K's Driving School": with extreme skepticism and trepidation.
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posted June 20, 2006 12:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Celebrate and protect diversity of culture locally and globally.

Make war abhorrent, peace popular, and the restoration and protection of our global ecosystems a priority.


Sorry is there something wrong with this?

If we didnt do this, there would be a lot more chaos and hate in the world.


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Why don't peace activists hold their events and display their billboards not in Canada, London or New York, but in places where they can preach to the sinners instead of the choir? How about Tehran, Beijing, Pyongyang, Mogadishu and in the backyards of drug cartels? Because pacifists are bright enough to realize it's incredibly dangerous to espouse pacifism outside walls heavily guarded by that which pacifists stand firmly opposed.

Ok...more peace forums in areas of the world where there isn't peace is a good point.

But, he didn't convince me at all that pacifists are the biggest warmongers.

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posted June 20, 2006 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really, it was the peaceniks who made the Second World War inevitable.

It was the so called antiwar protesters who made this war in Iraq inevitable.

In fact, peaceniks are some of the most dangerous people in the world to peace.

Peaceniks think slogans and protests change the world reality.

All they do is embolden enemies and weaken the resolve of native nations to resist the evil while there is still time to resist.

When peaceniks get involved, there is almost always war..just a little later than it would have happened if an aggressor didn't back off. For that reason, there is war on the terms and at the time of the aggressors choosing. Those wars are far more destructive and kill a hell of a lot more people.

So, as the author of the article pointed out, why don't the peaceniks take their slogans, ribbons, bumper stickers and peace protests to Iran, to communist China, to communist North Korea, to Syria, to Sudan, to Congo and to Somalia.

Of course, peaceniks wouldn't live a week there before they were jailed and executed...and that's the reason they keep their rears nice and safe in western nations who are generally keeping the peace in the world by putting down dictators and aggressors who won't stay within their own borders and refrain from attacks on their neighbors or who threaten other nations...like Iran. Those western nations who put up with their nonsense when no one else on earth would.

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posted June 20, 2006 12:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting that Jwhop..it makes alot of sense to me. ...

LOve and Respect for ALL..

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posted June 20, 2006 02:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wannbee Red Neck fever. Don't catch it


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posted June 20, 2006 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The world has yet to see a single tin pot wingnut or murderous thug brought down by a bumper sticker, picket sign or bed-in."


LMAO.. that is so true.

I wonder if peaceniks apply that anti-war crap to everything? Would they stop a rape or murder from happening by any means necessary? What about the sentiment towards the terrorists that waged war on us?

Their rhetoric doesn't make sense and seems to apply to only certain groups of people.

Off topic...

God what stinks to high heaven? Damn, it smells like gutter stench.. is there a troll loose?

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jwhop
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posted June 20, 2006 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TP is the best reason I can think of for a universal military draft.

6 months of basic, intermediate and battalion unit training...and discipline with a couple of years of doing something useful for a change might even turn TP into an American.

Instead of the swamp gas we get now from a no brainer.

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juniperb
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posted June 20, 2006 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The article reminds me of a poem written by a man on Hamburg Hill in Viet Nam.

The line in particular that stuck in my memory:

Only a Saint, Pacifist or Fool
Believes in things like the Golden Rule.

Lots of layers in that statement & I`ll probably ponder it til the day I die.

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

- George Eliot

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posted June 20, 2006 04:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We can only control our own beliefs, not those of others. That's why pacifism doesn't work. You can be all love & light, that's fine - but know that it doesn't mean someone else won't kill you just as soon as look at you.

You're a sitting duck if you think so.

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salome
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posted June 20, 2006 05:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i love that Juniper...thanks.

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pidaua
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posted June 20, 2006 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juni,

That's a beautiful quote.

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posted June 20, 2006 06:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting quote, Juni

3 levels of the same archetype

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posted June 20, 2006 10:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont agree with your logic on pacificsts or peaceniks. These direct correlations that you're claiming are ridiculous.

I just got in so I'll explain later.


Interesting quote juniperb. It's not easy being a fool

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jwhop
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posted June 20, 2006 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll be all ears when you get around to 'splaining it all to me.

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posted June 21, 2006 08:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On second thought, I don't feel like "splaining" this...I'd only be stating the obvious...your points are too easy to refute.

Maybe another day when Im in the mood.

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jwhop
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posted June 21, 2006 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thought so.

Couldn't think of anything, eh? Or did you actually have a look at how World War II began?

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posted June 21, 2006 08:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that I couldnt think of anything...there's plenty to say.

Guess Im just lazy?

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