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Topic: What's an Iraqi Life Worth?
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jwhop
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posted July 13, 2006 12:58 AM
  
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DayDreamer
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posted July 13, 2006 01:01 AM
Well if you read anything I post you would know what my answers are.PS You're the one that cops out. You dont answer half of the questions I ask you. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted July 13, 2006 01:10 AM
The same could be said for you, DD. And pretty much all of us here. We all sit around splitting hairs about it all - but in the end, it all boils down to a person's fundamental belief system - something that is pretty deeply ingrained in a person. My belief system tells me that we all MUST learn to coexist in a spirit of cooperation and tolerance. Those who can't do this - are the catalists to war, because that is the one thing we must be intolerant of. And that is why I support the war on terror. Period. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted July 13, 2006 01:14 AM
And a good point lioneye,"My belief system tells me that we all MUST learn to coexist in a spirit of cooperation and tolerance. Those who can't do this - are the catalists to war, so that is the one thing we must be intolerant of." And that is why I dont support the US wars. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted July 13, 2006 01:45 AM
So, let me get this straight. Do you agree that terrorism is the plague of modern times, and those who commit terrorists acts must be put in check? I'm going to assume your answer is yes.But you don't support the U.S. being involved in this at all? I'm going to assume your answer is no. Did I get that right? Let me make this connection more clear, as I see it. Terrorism has at it's roots a fundamental inability to coexist in that spirit of cooperation and harmony. Acts of senseless killing are carried out for the sole purpose of trying to "get rid of" those who the terrorists do not wish to coexist with in this world, based entirely on who they are as a people. And, these same acts of senseless killing are also carried out on those who support or are sympathetic to the peoples that they want to be rid of. If you don't see anything wrong with that, well I'm sorry, - but that suggests you're one of them. The U.S. only got involved because on 9/11 terrorism became a global problem, not just a M.E. problem. And I'm sure the whole country wishes to God they could just bring the troops home and get the hell out of there. But they simply can't do that at this point. The sooner people stop behaving like savages there, the sooner some progress can be made, the sooner the area will stabilize, and the sooner they can leave. 2+2=4 simple. IP: Logged |
geminstone
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posted July 14, 2006 12:01 AM
... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EymYwYc43iE&search=911%20wtc ... How is it that some don't see a little wierdness in being told not to listen to conspiracy theories? Has anyone checked out the 're-open911' files? How is it that asking questions can get one tagged? I don't even understand where the 'theory' exists, at this point... which gives one very good reason why questions return only 'terrorist' tags... The above mentioned files, are on youtube.com. The video of this woman has made hearing someone plug this 'terror war' with some line about bringing some kind of false closure to the families of 911 victims, seem as if they have never had contact with one of the families... not that every family is necessarily questioning but, this video is heart breaking. I won't close my eyes... I've never been a politics pusher... always felt that the system itself is full of only the few... for themselves... on the back's of those who trust them. They all are hypocritical. When in all actuality, it is a hypocrisy that is 'big bro', then I guess it seems fairly normal to me, why and where questions are born. Being told and, in a sense, threatened not to do what seems only natural to me,... only brings about 20 more questions. The first of which being, why I am told how to live my own life... why I am then told to place my trust in a system that appears to hold more concern for places and lives, outside of home and this 'life' of mine...no questions asked? That's just me though and, I don't think that my way should be 'THE WAY'... neither do I trust when force is used to make one for me...and no, I do not think that taking another's life is right, period. Two wrong's don't make it so either. IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 14, 2006 02:30 AM
geminstone.....I hear ya! For more on the big cover up read my thread titled......ABOUT THAT PHONE CALL....I'll bump it up.... IP: Logged |
Planet_Soul
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posted July 14, 2006 05:20 AM
The US constantly assists other nations, and yet we're still seen as the bad guy. Go figure.IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted July 14, 2006 11:02 AM
I know!! You're damned if you do, damned if you don't!! That annoys the crap out of me. It's just not fair. IP: Logged |
Venusian Love
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posted July 14, 2006 01:29 PM
Lion eye, The war on terror is a war on terror. Not a war on the innocent civilians in another ****** country you idiot. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted July 14, 2006 01:48 PM
D'uh...really? I didn't know that.  perhaps you could point out on the map where Terroristland is...  I don't see it... IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted July 14, 2006 02:02 PM
Edit: this map is too big - makes the page too wide. Annoying.Still don't see Terroristland, though. IP: Logged |
Venusian Love
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posted July 14, 2006 02:28 PM
What the hell is the map for?What the hell are you talking about you stupid idiot?
What I was referring to was.....It's one thing to go after terrorists. But to bomb a whole ****** country over it?
Does that make sense to you?
Because it doesn't to me. And if it does to you.............then you are a dumb piece of ****.
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pidaua
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posted July 14, 2006 02:51 PM
Actually nimrod, Lioneye has it right. Let me put it on terms you might understand. If Bruno the pimp kills your fellow guttersnipe for not turning over all the soup kitchen coupons that she earned, he has comitted a violent act. BUT, if he was then hired and trained by and offered refuge by the pimp-mafia to blow up corners where guttersnipes routinely hang with their shopping cart man-lovers. Don't you think the whole group should be punished? If the pimp-mafia has an underground area where they house and protect the pimp-terrorists, you can bet we'd take out that area- one only needs to look at past raids by law enforcement agent- collateral damage happens here in the US as well. We are NOT bombing an entire country freak-zilla - we are bombing strategic areas. If the idiot terrorists would quit hiding behind old women and children, using them as shields, they wouldn't be killed. You, DayDreamer and the rest of the terrorist sympathizers cannot get through your pea-brains. Terrorists kill innocent people because they HATE that race, religion or to prove a stupid point. We kill terrorists to keep them from killing innocent people and sometimes innocents are killed ON ACCIDENT - but mostly because the cowards hide among school houses and mosques.
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lioneye68
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posted July 14, 2006 03:10 PM
 Bruno the pimp...fellow guttersnipe...soup kitchen coupons... Ah, Pid you slay me IP: Logged |
Venusian Love
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posted July 14, 2006 03:28 PM
Of course the whole damn country is being bombed. Innocent civilians die everyday. Don't hear the news?
Oh wait I forgot.
Your local media of course will never show it to you so what would you know?
I hate it when ugly desert beasts swear thwy know everything.
Even more annoying is when they have a troll named lion eye being a cheer leader.
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lioneye68
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posted July 14, 2006 03:33 PM
Troll, the locals are killing each other off at much higher rate than the number of deaths by coalition forces, which I might add, happen circumstancially, not intentionally. On the other hand, they're killing each other intentionally. What's an Iraqi life worth to other Iraqis? Nothing, apparently. Still waiting for you to point out the country of Terroristland on the map, btw.  IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted July 14, 2006 04:14 PM
Offer her a Soup Kitchen coupon and she might Lioneye.... geez... I thought we would have learned by now. LMAO.....VL - we still get the pony express. I only have internet because I use my tin-foil helmet for reception. You know what I mean? Kind of like you're tin-foil helmet you wear to keep the aliens from listening to your thoughts LMAO.... IP: Logged |
Planet_Soul
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posted July 14, 2006 05:41 PM
In a perfect world, there would be no war and destruction. Unfortuantly, the world is far from being in a state of perfect peace. Human nature being what it is, war happens. I doubt anyone is glad that is does, and that innocent people die. It just is. It is sad that there is a war going on, but I'm not going to put my blinders on. Before WWII, we were a country cloaked under Isolationism. We turned the other way as one country after another fell to the Axis powers. Then, we too were attacked (without provacation). History tells me that we may wish to stay out of world affairs, but the world mayt still attack us (as with Pearl Harbor and 9-11). So what do we do now? Do we go back to being isolated, stand back and watch the countries of the world dela with their own problems? If so, will we still get attacked in the future (as in the past)? Or do we continue to fight this war on terror? IP: Logged |
geminstone
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posted July 14, 2006 07:22 PM
Ok, to the comments regarding the US 'assisstance' everywhere... I don't think that the idea, in itself, is anything but a wonderful thing... unfortunatly, it's the intention behind this 'aide' that is so incredibly falsified. Besides, I still seem to have missed that invitation the US was sent, requesting 'assisstance' . Like I said, I now have my doubts about it being sent via 4 airliners so, the 911 events won't work for me... unless questions can be believably, answered... not just tag the inquirers as 'terrorists'... It's really quite amazing, if read carefully and, with any ounce of objectivity, how the posts trying to justify this war, are only serving to contradict themselves... which only pins that 'terrorist' tag, to their own puffed up pride...the pump being the box of entertainment, news and, 'necessity', situated and almost sacred, in the home...
Again, all I believe is that, the taking of another's life is not right... and, two wrongs will not make it right.
At least one truth was taught in school...history repeats... sadly, it's the rest of the lesson that was heard outside of those walls of education... when it is not or, cannot be remembered. Funny, it would almost seem as if a very recent event, that the US failed, terribly so, to assisst it's own, has gone from recollection. It was not a 'terrorist' or any organization of such... It was known about and broadcast days in advance, on that most sacred living room fixture...nation wide even... Yet, the US failed to take such empathy of those it has told to trust in it... How many greenbacks has the system now set my kids up to bust their a@s', to pay off... under the guise of 'The Great American Way', 'Life'... All because, in a land far, far away... the US created a debt, to 'assisst' a suppressed people and play the part of savior.... If this war and it's foundation, have you not outraged... you are not paying attention... When 'big bro' appears to have turned from you, in your most desperate times...? Will attention be paid then or, will you blindly trust and only continue to pay? These are personal questions and, I have already answered them.
As far as the 'Terroristland',... I don't see it either. But then,... I won't trust a system that doesn't address something that they also appear to see, enough so, that they plaster every stitch of information, evidence and, detail to warn of what is unstoppable... leaving those who trust for dead... A system by itself, for itself. I can do that too... without manipulation of any other's life and, most definitly, without some god complex... I don't put my own life's value above any other... I find it rather disgusting that the US is so money minded, that the very first thought, in excusing any 'oopsie', is paper... When a life is eradicated, there is no excuse for the actions of those with blood on their hands. It's also hard to see where the justification comes, in carrying out the very same actions that they want everyone to believe they are 'saving' us all from. Yet, it seems they do have some believers... Go figure. IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted July 14, 2006 07:40 PM
would anyone else like to perch upon the soapbox? LOL... If not, I have some laundry to do and I would like it back. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted July 14, 2006 09:05 PM
As has been shown...the whole damned country of Iraq is not being and has not been bombed. Never in the annals of war has a nation taken such care to hold fire when civilians might be injured or killed. This, at the expense of additional US and coaliton casualties.It is not possible to know that civilians are in homes where terrorists are holed up...unless it is a given that terrorists are always hiding behind the skirts of women and their children. Let me know when leftists are willing to concede terrorists are abject cowards who put women and children LAST. For Americans and most Western cultures, women and children are first and formost among those who should be protected...along with the elderly. The simple truth is that our women are more than a match for terrorists when it comes to courage...terrorists, who are the biggest cowards on the face of the earth. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted July 15, 2006 11:58 AM
Seems to me, the root of all this conflict is the Arab world's refusal to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. They see it as an "occupation", an intrusion on their living space. This is why the conflict in Palestine, the Gaza Strip is never-ending. They repeatedly express the desire to "Drive all Jews into the Sea". Israel refuses to give up their national home land. They have ancient ties to that land, and have conceded as much as they are going to. Now, they're coming out swinging. The Jewish people are enraged, after a long history of persecution. It's a fight for survival of their people. I have a question: Why can't the Arab world give them their right to exist? If the Middle East were a football field, Israel would be like a pack of matches sitting on that field. Why can't Arabs share even a minute fraction of the land? It was the U.S's support of Israel's right to exist that got them targeted for terrorist attacks. Great Britian granted the land to the Jews in the first place, after defeating the Ottoman Empire in WWI, so they are in the cross hairs as well. Why is the Arab world so intolerant of other ethnic groups? This is what is at the root of all this conflict. IP: Logged |
Venusian Love
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posted July 15, 2006 12:15 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/15072006/323/arab-league-meets-cairo-mideast-crisis.html
The Arabic split is becoming more obvious."Egypt and Jordan have recongnised Israel and established diplomatic relations with the Jewish state, whereas neighbouring Lebanon and Syria have long been implacable foes of Israel.
On Friday, Jordan's King Abdullah II and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak condemned Israeli military aggression in Lebanon but also indirectly criticized Hezbollah for harming Arab interests.
The leaders warned of the risk of "the region being dragged into 'adventurism' that does not serve Arab interests", according to a joint statement published by the Petra news agency after the leaders met in Cairo.
Similar language was used earlier by Saudi Arabia, which indirectly accused the Lebanese Shiite fundamentalist movement Hezbollah of "adventurism" in provoking the Israeli onslaught and putting all Arab nations at risk." IP: Logged |
Venusian Love
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posted July 15, 2006 12:18 PM
The Arabs I know are not. Who are you to judge them ALL based on what some of them think?
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