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Topic: Imagine Jesus today....
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lotusheartone
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posted July 13, 2006 02:09 PM
 
God does not control everything on Earth..His/Hers Universal Laws do..which were
given to US..and again with the Ten Commandments..
you get what you give..you reap what you sow..so sow only good seeds..and your fruits will be bountiful. ...
sow bad ones..and you'll have wrotten apples, hehe
it's all very simple..
your Free Will determines..your actions..and your actions..will have re-actions..
best to undertake to do everything with LOve and Light..and God. ...bringing Peace on Earth... . IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 13, 2006 02:17 PM
from Tink.... quote:
His Kingdom was not of this world, Rainbow. heaven and earth will pass away. Those that look for the Savior on earth to lead a march on Washington will be disappointed.
Tink you silly girl.....I don't think anybody's looking for that.....  It was all a..."What if....?" Imaginary scenario....
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lotusheartone
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posted July 13, 2006 02:19 PM
it could and can happen..yet we will still exist..and the human race will most certainly go on. ...IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 13, 2006 02:38 PM
jwhop says.... quote:
For those who believe, let me suggest it's a very dangerous pastime to put words in the mouth of Jesus..also to add to or take away from what he had to say or the Commandments. Of course, those who have actually read the Bible would already know that.
umm...too late, jwhop........one could say that the Bible has already been 'tampered' with from the git-go..........which "might" suggest that words have already been added AND taken away from it..... I have three Bibles in my house..... The Catholic Bible
The Living Bible
and...The King James version.... I've read them all....and am still not sure what the exact message is.... The Catholics have books in their Bible which the protestants took out of their version.......and the King James "Version" speaks for itself...it's HIS version... ...and the Living Bible uses "different words" than you'll find in the King James Version too....*sigh* What's more....when you go back to Deuteronomy and quote from it.....Jesus wasn't even around then. Anyway, in spite of my ownership of the three different Bibles, I certainly don't claim to be any expert on the subject.... I read them quite awhile ago, because I was curious.... I guess the gist of this post, it to point out that it's might be really difficult to determine just what HAS been added and taken away.... One may discern that for themself, I would say.
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Isis
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posted July 13, 2006 03:13 PM
Ok, I'm not Christian, but it seems to me to be pretty presumptous for someone to imply they know what Jesus would say or do if he came back. I think if Mohammed came back - well, from what I know about Islam he would be happy at the state of things on one hand (jihad going on in allah's name), but disappointed that Islam hadn't spread globally yet, either through violence or otherwise. But then again, what an ignorant statement, right? How can I possibly know the mind of a "prophet"? <edited> comment removed... /shuffles off to get more coffee...I must have misread something somewhere, my apologies. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted July 13, 2006 03:38 PM
Isis,well Im glad that you at least realize that it's an ignorant thing to say  You can usually get a clue what may be in the mind of a prophet by the recorded sayings and practices of what a prophet preached. IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted July 13, 2006 03:46 PM
Tink, I understand what you're saying.  ------------------
"To learn is to live, to study is to grow, and growth is the measurement of life. The mind must be taught to think, the heart to feel, and the hands to labor. When these have been educated to their highest point, then is the time to offer them to the service of their fellowman, not before." - Manly P. Hall IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted July 13, 2006 06:25 PM
I`m on the same page as tink. I add that I believe Jesus would have no reason to be sad. He knows God`s will and how it applys to current events vs. our perspectives of them. I have Faith Gods Will will be done on earth as it is done in Heaven. An imaginary 'what if' Jesus scenario, just imagine  ------------------
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Rainbow~
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posted July 13, 2006 07:30 PM
In case anybody forgot.....I DID say this..... ....just a reminder quote:
Of course, we know that is not going to happen. Jesus doesn't have to come back here in the flesh to know what is happening.... he knows... and is probably pretty sad about it... ...but bush and his goons have to work out their own karma, without interference from "higher ups." I believe it is a Universal Law, which of course is God'd law...IMHO....*sigh*
I do still think he's probably - well if NOT sad...then at least disappointed....and not only disappointed in the so called "Christian" Americans, but in
mankind in general.
....but there's still hope... NEVER SAY DIE! IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted July 13, 2006 07:55 PM
Rainbow,
I just felt Inspired to add my 2cents worth.
I am reluctant to attribute human emotions to Jesus.disclaimer noted (how ya doing in this heat?) ------------------
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DayDreamer
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posted July 13, 2006 07:58 PM
Rainbow don't feel sad  People are always presuming what Jesus would say or do...that's what people and institutions that believe in Jesus do all the time. I question whether people here would say anything if this article discussed what Jesus would do to Muslims.?? IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 13, 2006 08:06 PM
juni said... quote:
I am reluctant to attribute human emotions to Jesus.
Ya know, juni....you are right. He IS above that....and I really know better than to place him in a class with a regular human being.....if he is in actuality a deity...and I believe he is... ...but - did he not ask his father in heaven to please take the coming crucifixion from him? Makes one wonder if he DID fear the pain and humiliation. As I told jwhop....I surely don't know the answers to everything....and could be wrong about lots of stuff....cuz I AM only a human being..after all.... As for the heat....I have my AC on...feels good... HOw are you doing? IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 13, 2006 08:12 PM
DayDreamer.....thanks...  I appreciate your understanding..... Oh BTW, juni is a neighbor of mine - tho I've never met her... We've live about 100 miles apart (I'm guessing) and I do hope to meet her someday.... She grows those beautiful llamas...  IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted July 13, 2006 08:19 PM
yup Rainbow, that darn catch 22, we ARE only human. I try to portray my humanness by stating "I believe". It is said belief is action in motion. I attempt to live my life knowing I only believe, not Know I do see the point the author is making and thought I`d chime in w/ my very human perspective. quote:
...but - did he not ask his father in heaven to please take the coming crucifixion from him?
I am unfamiliar w/that teaching so I can`t comment. Can you point me in the direction of it? Perhaps in an e mail or new thread so your point of the thread doesn`t go to far off track? (AC.. lucky you!! I melted in the garden today) love ------------------
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DayDreamer
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posted July 13, 2006 08:25 PM
Rainbow, Im glad your not using the  icon. Only 100 miles? (Ive never met juniperb, or had the pleasure of conversing with her either) You should make a date for this year Llamas??...of all the animals that is unique. Juniperb are they your own pets, companions, or do you show them also? (pardon my ignorance...but what do you do with a llama  ) IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 13, 2006 08:27 PM
Pssst....If y'all scroll up...I've added some pics... IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted July 13, 2006 08:33 PM
Oh they are Cute to look at!Hows their personality? Are they anything like camels? IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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posted July 14, 2006 12:26 AM
Jwhop, I not only read the Bible many times over I took 4 years of Theology courses at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit, Michigan. For a solid year one of my studies was solely on Scripture even though all my other classes in theology were of course, Scripture based as well. I maintained a 4.0 grade average. So I think I know a little about what I just spoke about in my post. Anyone can recite a scripture passage, Jwhop. It's actually knowing what it means ( not just what we want it to mean for our own agendas ) and in what context it was spoken that is important. IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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posted July 14, 2006 12:34 AM
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God does not control everything on Earth..His/Hers Universal Laws do..which were
given to US..and again with the Ten Commandments..
That statement doesn't make any sense, Lotus. You contradict yourself. First you say God does not control everything on earth then in the same breath you state that his Universal Laws do. Where did the so called "Universal Laws" come from if not from God? Therefore you are both denying that God controls everything and at the same time saying he does through "his" laws. Moses gave us the Ten Commandments. Jesus did not do away with the Ten Commandments but he expounded on them. Jesus stated to his apostles before he ascended into heaven, " I leave you with just one commandment, love one another as I have loved you." Because Jesus knew that if we did that there would be no fear of us breaking any of the Ten Commandments that God gave to us through Moses. Who is US? That God gave these Universal Laws to before he gave them to Moses in the form of the 10 Commandments, Lotus? Please explain who the US is. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted July 14, 2006 12:56 AM
first..stop twisting and turning things..i state things very simply..I believe the first laws..form the Garden if Eden's, were the Emerald Tablets.. the Universal laws..judge what happens to us..you get what you give..simply..
God is ALL..and all are in GOD... .
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Mirandee
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posted July 14, 2006 01:02 AM
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Ok, I'm not Christian, but it seems to me to be pretty presumptous for someone to imply they know what Jesus would say or do if he came back.
Isis
Yes, it would be presumptous, Isis. In fact, the Jewish Pharisees were pretty presumptous that they knew exactly what the Messiah would be like, what he would do and what he would say, the first time that Jesus was here. So when Jesus didn't fit their mold they had him crucified.
I imagine that many of the Churches and most of the Christians would do the same thing to Jesus were he to come back tomorrow because he didn't come back the way they had the second coming all figured out to be and because he did not fit the image they had created in their minds he would be. We DO have a tendency to create God and Jesus in our own images. I am a Roman Catholic and I think that if Jesus were to come back as a female the Roman Catholic Church would be in big trouble as far as accepting him since they teach that Jesus is the High Priest and invisible head of the Church and they don't allow female priests. Big problem there if Jesus decided to come back as a woman. However, the author of this article was not really presuming he knows what Jesus would say and do when he came back. The article is written mostly as a scenario or hypothesis or a what if? IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted July 14, 2006 01:04 AM
Daydreamer,
I don`t believe we have spoken directly before either.
Once started on the subject of llamas, I have a difficult time not boring others Rainbow,like myself, has a tender spot for the glorious four leggeds. I do tend to be windy, so if you are interested, a new thread re llamas, would be a wonderful diversion. Belivers are mirrors for each other. ------------------
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Mirandee
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posted July 14, 2006 01:21 AM
Jwhop also stated that Jesus did not preach a "social gospel." What???? What was Jesus doing in the sermon on the mount if not preaching a social gospel? He gave us the beatitudes which were directions on how to live our lives. Everything he did and said was directions on how to live our lives in a society with one another. What do you think those are just nice things that you hear in church on Sunday and yet they don't really apply to your every day life and the life of a nation or the world? Jesus meant for us to live those words and take love out into the world. He meant for us to actually live those words in our daily lives in our conduct with others and to consequently make this a better world. A world of love and peace. I personally don't see how much more social the gospel could get than that.  edited to say: He even meant for us to love llamas. They are cute. A guy who lives across the road has a llama for a pet and a nice area that he lets the llama roam in. He also has his own helicopter but that's another story. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted July 14, 2006 02:27 AM
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So when we speak we may at times ignore the wealthy ( the rich and tax collectors you spoke of ) but when you speak you ignore the poor and needy so we liberals are even with you neo cons on who we acknowledge mostly and who we don't.
A neo-con, huh?  Me? Mirandee, if you think I'm a neo-con I must admit to serious lack of faith in your powers of discernment. quote:
This is one more example of how people take certain passages in Scripture, and misinterpret them to promote their own agendas rather than really study those passages for their true meanings.
I couldn't agree with you more. Speaking of which, on to Mr Miller ..... Rainbow - I hear you. My beef, if you could call it that, is with the author of this little bit of political propaganda. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted July 14, 2006 03:14 AM
Happy to see the Sermon on the Mount mentioned. Now if ever there was a Biblical misinterpretation that's it. Completely had the spirit sucked out of them, haven't they?I disagee with a blatent social engineering motive though. The Beatitudes are purely spiritual - a tour through the spiritual make-up of the individual and the spiritual evolution of mankind. A man or woman in balance has no need for etiquette classes from the Almighty. Those who have mastered themselves move through life like fish in a stream - with a goal above and beyond the earth. So it seems to me that the first step is mastership of the self. All the teachers I've come across direct the eye inward. Rightfully so, I think. Traditionally, Camelot is always destroyed from the inside out. So, for those concerned with such things, maybe it's a good idea to fix the inside before we have any real hope of a permanent and lasting peace on the outside. Short terms goals aside of course. Speaking of Teachers ... has anyone noticed how hard it is to get them to talk politics? IP: Logged |
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