posted August 09, 2006 05:18 PM            

Unlike you and the flustered tumbleweed Stainbow I ADMIT what I have done and I also admit that I will most likely refer to certain people in a certain manner.

You posted Bear's picture with a compliment- sweet, but creepy. Like he said... do you have our damn pics bookmarked to go back and forth to or did you save it on your hard drive? I highly doubt you have a photographic memory and pulled out that pic from the crevice of your mind.

YOU and Stainblow are both quick to point out when YOU feel someone has crossed the line, yet you can't see when you've done it yourself.

That is pathetic.

Stainblow.. keep up the psycho frantic talk. They do manufacture anti-psychotics that you may want to take a look into.

Then again.. I am sure you will use your same 8 year old tactic of "No you are" "I know you are but what am I" ..."No Pidaua, I'm not a liar... you're a liar"

Damn woman, can't you come up with something of your own?

Child...

PS... queen of the idiots (that would be you) the Barney Fife thing means nothing to me remember, I've always had color TV. Maybe you could stop living in 1925 and bring yourself up to our age with relevent topics.

posted August 09, 2006 05:25 PM              

the U.S. military town and base on which i worked illustrated this standard further to me...these personnel always conducted themselves in accordance with these principles, even in the face of opposition.

very, very few people on this website, even GU, lower themselves to this kind of behavior, of using personal insults and derogatory commentary towards the members here. it is one of the main reasons people distance themselves from this forum, and a disappointing one at that, for it is not necessary to conduct oneself this way to have a political debate.

as such, it is very disheartening and disappointing to see a U.S. military officer conduct himself in this manner, in such a public way. of course he could, and should, take every opportunity to express dissenting views if he so wishes, but to do so in such a personally repulsive manner is frightening and irresponsible. he is given great power in his office, and to use it in this way, for the purpose of political debate, is reprehensible.

posted August 09, 2006 05:28 PM            

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Mirandee and I DON'T insult people on this board...(as a rule...) but sometimes we retaliate when someone takes a shot at us....

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Umm...this is a total and complete untruth. You and Mirandee have both been insulting to people on this forum, without prior provocation.

Period. Fact, not opinion. Fact because it can be proven and illustrated by your posts on this forum, which I am not going to dig up because quite frankly, I have better things to do. If people don't believe me I invite them to do their own research on the matter.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bustin' your balls about being rude and insulting - it's not like you are the only ones who are. But to try to act the innocent or imply that you only do it in retailiation for it being done to you is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happens.

posted August 09, 2006 05:39 PM              

the first time you displayed Leo the Bear's photograph in the LL photoshop for the entire world to see i had a good laugh at his buddy wearing the Che Guevara shirt...i thought it was so utterly ironic that someone such as you would display something like that. lol...

perhaps you, and even Leo the Bear, didn't have any idea who Che Guevara was? how funny.

of course that image always returned to me, with laughable irony, each time i read one of Leo the Bear's histrionic pseudo-anti-terrorist personal insults.

when he posed this question,

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Oh my, look the twit twins have spoken. Obviously you two see me as a person of superiority and authority, cause, just like our government you want to rebel against any form of authority or anything that makes any type of sense. When I grow up, can I be like you two? You know I want to be a terrorist especially when I grow up, just like you two, to support terrorism and be blind to the fact that media is full of lies and yet I will still believe it.

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i thought it quite acceptable to ask him if he himself supports the same, with those he associates with.

posted August 09, 2006 05:47 PM            

And incidentally, it's men like him that protect all of our right to say whatever the hell we want. While we sit here on our computers in our air conditioned homes bitching about the state of the world, men and women like Bear are out doing something about it. You may not agree with what it is he's doing to make a difference, but at least he's doing something - he's putting his life on the line for his beliefs.

None of us are, and few here have served in the military.

So what if he has has a buddy w/ a Che shirt? You really can't just post what it is that he says that is offensive and counterpoint that? You have to stoop to criticizing and ridiculing what his friend is wearing in a pic?

posted August 09, 2006 05:52 PM            

You are NOT in touch with reality. I also grew up in a Military / Law Enforcement family, have lived near Army and Marine bases / posts and the dream world you speak of doesn't exist.

Not even for officers - remember, there is a difference between an officer, who goes to college and gets some training then is listed as an officer verses an enlisted Soldier that moves through the ranks, in battle and out.

Bear is an NCO, but he is still enlisted. He has seen more crap than alot of others and didn't earn his wings by just reading through a freaking book and going through officer training. He has been offered to go through the training, to become of the "officer elitists" but refuses to do so because he would not be in the trenches with his fellow Joes...

These men and women have some of the FOULEST mouths I have ever heard and guess what- it's not because they are the dredges of society. It's the culture, it's what they see, it's from getting BS from people LIKE YOU.

My uncle retired from the US Navy- an Officer- he cursed like it was no bodies business and had no problem putting someone in their place regardless if they are man or woman. (not violently of course) He was an officer, three of his boys are going through Annapolis and West Point. They aren't boyscouts. Hell they knew more curse words by the age of 3 than I knew by the age of 19.

If you truly lived a life in the Military you would understand that while the Soldiers are respectful, when someone is disrespectful to their spouses, their family, their country or to them - you better be prepared for a good tongue lashing.

Stainblow, Mirandee and VL have insulted him repeatedly, spoken ill of the Military in the form of lies and called me names on along the lines of "wh*re" "gash" and B1tch. What kind of Man WOULDN'T stick up for his wife? EVEN you commented on the disgusting things Stainblow posted.

In any case, I am sure your Military family is proud at how you hold the Soldier's to a double standard. Either that or they are praying you wake up from your dream world.

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000489.htm

posted August 09, 2006 05:54 PM              

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And incidentally, it's men like him that protect all of our right to say whatever the hell we want. While we sit here on our computers in our air conditioned homes bitching about the state of the world, men and women like Bear are out doing something about it.

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as far as has been related here, Leo the Bear is sitting in his air conditioned dwelling in germany at his computer insulting female LL members while pounding his chest about being a military officer, expounding his exalted status to educate everyone else about the events in iraq.

ummmm.....how close is germany to iraq??

posted August 09, 2006 05:56 PM            

Review a few pages back and my dialogue with Eleanore concerning Che. You will learn the exact age when I learned about him and how I feel concerning his "revolution".

Give it up - you and the others try to act innocent as though you never say anything..but like Isis pointed out - that is an untruth.

YOU are all guilty of name-calling- yet for some reason you either won't admit it or you blame it on the actions of someone else.

posted August 09, 2006 06:00 PM              

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My uncle retired from the US Navy- an Officer- he cursed like it was no bodies business and had no problem putting someone in their place regardless if they are man or woman.

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there's an enormous difference between conducting oneself this way in private, among friends and family members, and in a very public place, for the whole world to see.

posted August 09, 2006 06:05 PM              

i couldn't care less about your education regarding Che Guevara. that thought occurred to me when i saw that you had posted that picture.

posted August 09, 2006 06:08 PM            

"as far as has been related here, Leo the Bear is sitting in his air conditioned dwelling in germany at his computer insulting female LL members while pounding his chest about being a military officer, expounding his exalted status to educate everyone else about the events in iraq."

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Time to prove how stupid you are;

1) It is rare to find air-conditioning in Germany

2) Bear works 15-18 hour days as an acting first SGT and Platoon SGT.

3) He is the only trained MC in the field and trains Soldiers to become MC certified.

4)He often works 6 days a week, pulling at least one 24 hour duty every other week.

5) He runs the gun range, in the heat and humidity in Germany (again, as the only qualified SGT in the field) without a break for a minimum of 6 hours a day. When he has closed down the range, he takes care of the needs of his Soldiers - getting their profiles up to date, making sure they have various certifications and compiling all the data for the daily reports.

6) A typical day involves him getting up at 4-5am, going to PT, coming back and then starting the 16 hours of work he commonly performs.

7) He is airborne and has jumped into more combat situations that you will ever know- let alone have the brains to spell the countries in question. He has over 145 jumps- earned his wings early in his career

8) He has been in combat in Bosnia and Kosovo - Maybe you should look up what a paratrooper actually is - then come back and make your stupid accusations.

9) He has never called himself a Military officer- he is an NCO (which again leads me to doubt you have any real knowledge about the Army or other branches of the Military).

10) He posts on here rarely, since he is 9 hours ahead in Germany

11) As far as Iraq, he is training Soldiers to become ready to go - will he go? If they need him yes- it's not his call. Right now the US Army has him training, since he is the best, and getting qualified men and women out to the field- using the skills taught BY him to keep THEM alive. How does he know about Iraq? Hmm... because he also has to debrief the guys coming back? He has to train them to be combat ready in their specialized field which means... he needs to know what is going on. Damn you are dumb.

ANY fool knows you can't send everyone over into battle. Only a fool uses the argument you just posed.

posted August 09, 2006 06:19 PM              

what a poor victim Leo the Bear is!!

one would think that he wouldn't have the time or the inclination to sit around insulting women with derogatory comments in the fashion he does. seems he would have much more important things to do.

i'm sure that an honorable military officer would come to his family members' defense in a much more honorable manner than stooping to the juvenile and petty degradation that Leo the Bear has here.

posted August 09, 2006 06:20 PM            

"couldn't care less about your education regarding Che Guevara. that thought occurred to me when i saw that you had posted that picture."

Okay.. let me get this right. YOU said that I had no clue who Che was - so I indicate you need to look at the past posts... to which you intelligently answer with the above quote.

Then you, for some really dumb reason, have to keep bringing the point back to me posting a picture in an ablum that has my husband in it (as you would describe as the "stunner") with a friend that has on a Che shirt. For some reason, because HIS FRIEND is wearing a T-shirt with Che (not like it was Hitler, Osama or Saddam) but Che, I should have NOT posted it? Why, because an insecure little person like yourself with someday try to use it against me or Bear in a post?

Are you kidding? Are you really that off the wall? Does anyone BUT you, Mirandee and Stainblow, find some kind of link between Bear being in the Military and his friend wearing some stupid T-shirt as being something so important that we need to have a million posts about it?

Oh wait, you're the one that also believes in this mind-control, NWO crap aren't ya? Post after Post on conspiracy theories.

Huh.... so what, deep down Bear is really an Anti-American, Che supporting, woman bashing Lizard man? LMAO...

posted August 09, 2006 06:27 PM            

So Salome, what you are trying to say is that using foul language and stating what one feels in response to someone else ONLY belongs to people that are lower on the socio-economic strata?

Me calling Stainblow, the mistress of lies, a tumbleweed liar is wrong because I have an education and a good job -or it is because I have a killer office with windows?

Freedom of speech only applies to some in your world doesn't it?

posted August 09, 2006 06:27 PM              

of course you should post whatever photos you like pidaua....i just said i thought it was funny....no big deal. and neither did i say that you were clueless about anything, if you actually were to exercise the renowned reading comprehension that you so blaringly trumpet. it was a rhetorical question that occurred to me.

and i asked Leo the Bear a relevant question about his assertions given the position he has so voluminously made apparent throughout this thread and others.
again, no big deal.

posted August 09, 2006 06:33 PM            

Welcome, Just for your information I dont care what my friends wear. I dont dress them, I am not there parent.

Another thing for your personal knowledge. Thanks but no thanks on the promotion to an Officer. Thats why they call us NonCommissioned Officers (NCO). Let me spell it out for you since the newest twit club member made a really bad ASSumption. Non is equal to not being. Commissioned is what an Officer is. Next time get your facts straight because no one on here has ever called me an officer but you and the twit club.

Oh my, You really dont know what you are talking about do you? I am doing more than my share here in Germany. Which is only a few hour flight to Iraq for your information but wait you would know that already since you know so damn much.
Another ASSumption by yourself is that I have air conditioning. My office doesnt even have air conditioning. Not that I would be in that often during the day when the joes are at work anyway. Its after they go home that I actually get to do my work. So you stay home in YOUR air conditioning. Then thank god that people are out here protecting the constitutional rights that give you the right to sit there and make ASSumptions that are totally incorrect. Pull your head out of your fourth point of Contact.

posted August 09, 2006 06:34 PM              

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So Salome, what you are trying to say is that using foul language and stating what one feels in response to someone else ONLY belongs to people that are lower on the socio-economic strata?

Me calling Stainblow, the mistress of lies, a tumbleweed liar is wrong because I have an education and a good job -or it is because I have a killer office with windows?

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i have no idea whatsoever about what you're complaining here...

i didn't mention socio-economic strata or your office windows, or even your job, financed by taxpayer $$, whose $$ you find acceptable to use while on the clock to come here and post nasty and filthy personal insults ad infinitum.

i said Leo the Bear's behavior doesn't befit the status of his office. as his wife, neither does yours befit you.

posted August 09, 2006 06:38 PM              

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Welcome, Just for your information I dont care what my friends wear. I dress them, I am not there parent.

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sounds as though you have a rocking good time together, dressing each other and such...

now that is a facet of military behavior with which i am not familiar!

posted August 09, 2006 06:45 PM              

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My office doesnt even have air conditioning.

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oh dear, the life of a military man really is such a terrible, gut-wrenching hardship, isn't it.

posted August 09, 2006 06:54 PM              

but chances are that i won't.

posted August 09, 2006 07:03 PM            

It still doesn't make sense. My husband is an NCO- 1SGT. How "I" act here by putting people in their places when I discover they are liars and calling them inventful names, is MY business.

Would I ever call a colleague "stainblow" hell no, because a person like her would not make it through the screening process in HR. When I have had to work with jerks, I effectively do my business and ignore them.

Would I address one of Bear's Joes in a derogatory manner? It depends, if he acted like an idiot, I'd tell them so.

Who died and made you the queen of status and behaviour? You really don't have a clue about the Military other than what grandpa taught you -keep in mind in grandpa's age they didn't much care for women in the Military at all and had a few good names for them now didn't they?

My reading and comprehension skills are on par and I understood what you tried to get across, but you did so ineffectively. You also insinuate that just because my husband is an NCO, I should live life a certain way. A woman does not give up her station in life based on the occupation of her husband. Would I go to a bar and act like an idiot on our town? Hell no- THAT is a reflection on ME and MY family. Would I act like some fake, demure housewife that cows-down to her mate- GOD NO!! Being married to an NCO is no more important than being married to a cop. Acting in a civil manner is something that people should DO regardless of their station in life- in the real world.

You have no clue about what you are speaking of- this is a website. I can post what I want within a certain set of guidelines which have been previously posted. GU, according Randall, has a heck of a lot more leeway than Astrology or SU- which means, people aren't banned for someone calling another person a terrorist supporting windbag.

What will people complain about next? OMG... so and so's husband is a pastor and she spoke of.. SEX.. how dare her?

Lame....

Oh yes, and your feigned martyr complex isn't worth the toliet paper you dab your fake tears with. YOU brought up the air-conditioning and YOU were proved wrong. My god woman, stop being Stainblow's doppleganger

posted August 09, 2006 07:11 PM              

it's just my opinion....that that throws you off balance so dramatically is sad and pitiable.

as a human being, your behavior here doesn't befit you, if that helps clarify things for you, although i'm quite certain it only will induce another 12 to 50 paragraphs filled with personal insults and imblazoned outrage.

posted August 09, 2006 07:18 PM              

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Oh yes, and your feigned martyr complex isn't worth the toliet paper you dab your fake tears with. YOU brought up the air-conditioning and YOU were proved wrong. My god woman, stop being Stainblow's doppleganger.

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and to answer your edited post...

oh dear, i've done it again, haven't i, caused you distress and vitriol, with your lack of ability to discern something such as irony or sarcasm.

posted August 09, 2006 07:28 PM            

My edit was to add the last sentence as well as to fix a typo. Please show me where it states using the edit function to "fix" a grammar error or to add a brief BTW is somehow the same as "erasing" an accusation or deletin something and then later saying they never said it?