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jwhop
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posted July 21, 2006 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Din That Heralds Terror
Lowell Ponte
Friday, July 21, 2006


Out of the Thursday night darkness, the shock waves hit my office window – thud, thud, thud – like the jolting sound of nearby thunder, next-door fireworks, or gunshots.

Miles up the shore of the Pacific Ocean, named for its calmness, at Camp Pendleton U.S. Marines were practicing with high explosive weapons.

Fireworks, indeed, and the thunder of a storm whose lightning bolts are being honed to strike soon somewhere, probably in Iraq, Syria, or Iran.

Such noise is part of the shock and awe of modern battle, our scientific version of past armies' marrow-chilling, wall-shaking trumpets and rebel yells, using powerful sound quakes to shake an enemy.

In his new book, "Noise, the Fuzzy Logic," maven Bart Kosko turns his ear and pen to how such vibrations affect, and may even have played a role in creating, life.

Kosko, an engineering professor at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, in "Noise" touches on how the military is developing new ways to use such vibrations as a weapon – via eardrum-shattering high decibels, fear and awe-inducing infrasound, emotion-wrenching music comingled with the screams of dying rabbits, and more.

We have been watching terror rain down on Israel in recent days in the form of limited range, unguided rockets. But as the polymath Kosko cited in his remarkable 1997 novel "Nanotime," researchers now fear that with every decade the accuracy of cruise missiles is doubling and the cost of such missiles is falling by half.

Within a decade, therefore, Israel and the U.S. could awaken one morning to find a swarm of 50,000 cruise missiles flying over our borders from all directions. Each such missile, acquired by terrorists via the black market or from wealthy patron nations like Iran, could cost less than the average new car. But each such cruise missile would be able to fly, hugging the ground to avoid radar detection, for 1,100 miles.

It would be able to do so with pinpoint accuracy, targeting the open window of the exact room where the president is giving a speech. (Parents, don't let your children grow up to be Secret Service agents protecting the president.)

Such an attack could be launched across borders from small trucks or aircraft, or from small private boats offshore near major ports.

Could a small nation such as Israel survive a mass attack of 50,000 such cruise missiles with chemical, biological or nuclear warheads saturating and potentially overwhelming its defenses?

Both Israel and the United States have been working frantically to develop rapid reaction weapons – from self-aiming laser cannon systems to ultra-fast Gatling guns – to confront this threat.

Meanwhile our talk shows and cable news channels are filled with another kind of noise, the chatter of PsyOps – the psychological propaganda operations of partisans trying to turn the current Middle East conflicts to political advantage.

The Shia Islamist terror group Hezbollah, whose cross-border attacks against Israelis triggered the current conflict in Lebanon, has its own satellite television station beaming to the Muslim world, Al Manar (Arabic for "The Beacon") TV.

Al Manar features children's cartoons and other programs that honor and encourage Muslims to become martyrs by killing Jews.

It has broadcast a game show resembling "Jeopardy" where contestants win prizes by parroting Islamist anti-American and anti-Israel propaganda.

Al Manar TV receives funding from Shiite Iran, just like Hezbollah. But it has also been distributed elsewhere in the world with grants from such left-leaning American entities as the Knight Foundation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, and – a name familiar to viewers of our Public Broadcasting Service PBS – the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, a member of whose founding family also runs the far left Harper's Magazine.

America's own left-skewed networks such as CNN and MSNBC during the past week have sounded more than a bit like Al Manar. These networks have relentlessly pushed images of death and destruction in Lebanon and overloaded their airtime with voices blaming Israel and President George W. Bush for the Israel-Hezbollah clash.

Once again we see the anti-Semitism at the heart of the left, a hatred of Jews almost as evident today as it was in the National Socialism of Adolf Hitler and toxic anti-Semitism of the late Soviet Union.

To understand the left-wing roots of modern anti-Semitism, seek out a copy of "The Socialism of Fools: Anti-Semitism on the Left," by the socialist editor of the journal Tikkun, Rabbi Michael Lerner.

What socialism and anti-Semitism have in common is not only their hatred of capitalism but also their collectivism, their view that the individual is nothing, the collective everything, and that people are to be regarded and judged only as members of groups, not as unique individuals.

As America's November mid-term elections draw near, the mainstream media is dropping any pretense of fairness or balance. On MSNBC's "Countdown," for example, sportscaster host Keith Olbermann now delivers an hour of entirely one-sided conservative-bashing and left-boosting – in effect, a free hour-long commercial for the Democratic Party courtesy of NBC.

Olbermann, who was given his own show on this last-place cable news network with only a handful of viewers, has slightly increased his tiny audience. He has done this by pitching his show to True Believer neo-Marxists, the kind of loony left "Cossacks" who read the Daily KOS and Huffington Post on the Internet and contribute to MoveOn.org.

Olbermann's notion of political discussion is to hurl infantile personal insults at everyone to the right of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean.

Needless to say, he has been promoted as a rising star by comrades in the leftist press, from The New York Times to The Washington Post-owned magazine Newsweek.

America's left-wing media used to have a monopoly dominance that enabled its PsyOps to drown out all dissenting voices with noise. But as Kosko's new book notes, certain kinds of noise paradoxically can make other signals easier to hear. The left-wing media's noise has become so strident, screeching, and monolithic that American ears are tuning out and seeking more honest sounds.
http://newsmax.com/pundits/Ponte.shtml

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TINK
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posted July 21, 2006 02:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anti-Semitism? Where?

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AcousticGod
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posted July 21, 2006 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think American jews would have a wholy different opinion.

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pidaua
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posted July 24, 2006 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm I don't think so since the Jewish American population is one of the drives that pushes us to donate more and more money to Israel.

But maybe we could ask those of Jewish decent on the board how they feel about the Muslim game shows and cartoons with their anti-jewish slogans?

I wonder if anyone of Jewish blood here would think it was okay for lefty organizations to donate money to promote hate?

Then again.. .I suppose the lefties rather enjoy donating money to anti-jewish and anti-American groups - it promotes hatred which fuels some people.

Let's face it.. the Left LOVES the war- it's a way to blame Bush for the death of Soldiers- that belong to a Military most lefties resent with a passion. Why should money go into defending our country when it can be better served going to artists that smoke crack and use urine / feces to cover the face of Christ and call it art?

Besides, if it wasn't for this war, where would the anti-American groups protest? Where would the lousy, no good- has been musicians go to stage their comeback? Hell, they need the war- they need to protest.

It shouldn't be blood for oil.. more like war for starving artists and musicians and 60's throw backs that people had forgotten -to try and make a few more bucks. LOL....

I LOVE how these old has-beens crawl out from their rocks "Oh.. I hated the war in Vietnam and I hate it now.. although I could careless if those mideast f*ckers blow themselves up, but if the US has an interest to help.. well, then I must sing a song against the US" Yeah.. have some more weed old man.....

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jwhop
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posted July 25, 2006 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seldom or never is heard any condemnation of terrorists...Hamas or Hezbollah for deliberately targeting Israeli civilians...or Iraqi civilians for that matter.

What is heard from the leftist press, from leftist groups and leftists here is condemnation when Israel strikes a terrorist missile or rocket launch site and civilians are injured or killed.

This double standard is disgusting but it's standard fare for leftists and terrorist supporters.

Now, it's being claimed Israel's reaction is not proportional.

HELLO, is there any intelligent life out there?

Terrorists have struck Israel across an internationally recognized border. That's an act of war but terrorist supporters and leftists don't believe Israel has a right to defend itself or it's citizens against acts of war committed by terrorists.

This is bullsh*t and it isn't going to fly...in fact, it's not flying now and some Arab states are becomming increasingly hostile to both Hamas and Hezbollah for committing acts of war against Israel.

So, the title of this thread is true. It's leftists, in the press, in leftist groups and leftists here who condemn Israel but overlook the acts of war committed against the state of Israel and their civilian population....and that's anti-semitism pure and simple.

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posted July 25, 2006 03:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG~ can you elaborate please.

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"This is bullsh*t and it isn't going to fly...in fact, it's not flying now and some Arab states are becomming increasingly hostile to both Hamas and Hezbollah for committing acts of war against Israel."

There are some who are becoming hostile to these groups. And there are others who continue to support them because of Israel's actions.

Also...back to this original article...where's the anti-semitism?

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posted July 25, 2006 03:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop we have repeatedly said that we are against terrorism of any kind. We have repeatedly said that we are not on the side of the terrorists. We just do not feel that Bush's policies are helping anything but the creation of more and more terrorists. We have stated that we need to address the root causes of terrorism. If people are treated justly and humanely the extremists would not be able to get any recruits. People who are oppressed and who harbor hatred for nations that attack them in wars and kill family members are easily recruited. Why is that so difficult for you to see? Israel has built a wall around Palestine and throws bombs over those walls killing innocent people and they are starving out the Palestinians in what can only be considered an attempt at genocide. The Bush administration condones those tactics and participates in the sanctions. It was the oppression by Israel that caused the people of Palestine to elect a Hamas leader because they needed to feel that someone would protect them and they needed to believe that someone would would save them from Israel. They sure as hell knew the U.S. government wasn't going to be their savior with Bush as leader of this country and going into and taking over Iraq while still at war in Afghanistan. Why is it so difficult for you to put the pieces of the puzzle together?

Sorry but I have no patience with slow thinkers and even less patience with people who don't think at all.

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posted July 25, 2006 08:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most people fall somewhere in between those extremes, jwhop. I certainly understand that Israel has a right to defend itself; however, I cannot help but question the number of civilian casualties. How can you see the pictures of the dead children and not feel your conscience tugged at? It makes me feel sick inside and I feel the exact same way when an Israeli child is blown up by a suicide bomber. Anti semite? I think not. Some of us are trying to understand the different aspects of this conflict and what is at the heart of it. As far as the television network you mentioned, I think it's disgusting. Targeting impressionable children, that's obviously the way they work. I hope that was one of the first things blown up, so they could no longer broadcast........now THAT I can support totally. I would never support those programs or anyone who does support them. As a matter of fact, it's the people manipulating and targeting the children I see as the real enemy here.

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posted July 25, 2006 12:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the truth is..each person..chose the life that they would live..before coming to Earth..this is about karma and The Universal GOD Laws..you get what you give..each life incarnation..carries over..
you reap what you sow..

all could come full serpent circle..and forgive and LOve..
ending the cycle of Karma..that is probably not going to happen..so this will continue..and debts will be paid..it's judgement..human..and nature. ...

get ready..if we don't change ourSelves..
this will intensify..til things are balanced..

LOts of LOve and Light to ALL...

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AcousticGod
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posted July 25, 2006 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gooberz,

Quite a bit of the Democratic Party is made up of Jews.

I see this as just another transparent ploy by Jwhop to create division. I guess he's not a Uniter like his pal the Decider claims to be.

It's outrageous stuff like this that makes it truly a futile effort to come here for meaningful debate. I am encouraged by people's attempts to get this forum on the track of Global Unity, though. Kudos to those people.

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pidaua
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posted July 25, 2006 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes AG your comment would be true to a point. You see many Jewish people are democrat.. BUT they are Jewish first and when Israel is attacked, such as they are now, all affiliations to a political party take second place. If that party DOES NOT support their goal of saving Israel or speaks out against their defending Israel, the Jewish population will turn their backs in a second.

You also need to do a little research on the different Jewish sects before making a blanket statement. Many "new generation" Jews are democrat, but almost all major Orthodox Jews are Conservative.

jwhop is not making anything up- he's just stating facts - you know.. the kind that are researched and not just thrown out there with the hopes that the impressionable will just "believe"

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posted July 25, 2006 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are Jews in both parties. I'd be surprised to see a Jewish exodus away from the left.

As far as Jwhop using well-researched material, save it for someone who may be inclined to believe it. Most of us already know better.

NewsMax

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posted July 25, 2006 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh that's right... because you are of superior intelligence right AG? I think the term "god" in your name went to your head.

You haven't got a clue and you hide behind an authorative tone- which probably works in some circles but not with most educated people. Keep dreaming though and we'll see well the Dems fair if they keep up their crap about Israels right to fight.

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posted July 25, 2006 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Newsmax gets its articles from a variety of sources, the most common being the same place everyone else gets their news: the AP, Reuters, etc.

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posted July 26, 2006 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you read the article itself Isis it's clearly a NewsMax staff writer. You can tell by how it's written. AP isn't vicious toward the Left, and it's much more fair toward the Right (than the Right is toward the Left). I'm sure you can see the difference yourself. When compared with NewsMax the AP is the clear winner of which is less politically biased.

Pid,

We hate what's reflected back at us, don't we? You're no different than me, except that I can actually present an argument when I want to. Otherwise our arrogance is the same. Notice how differently people treat us individually, though. Why do you think that is?

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Jwhop, you are right about the anti-semitism.

However, you are wrong about this being a left/right issue.

Do you know how many "leftist" Jews support Israel??

Jews will (or in some cases, won't) support Israel -- regardless of political party.

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posted July 26, 2006 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG... I am different than you and I can present an argument like it's no ones business. I get paid to write and my writing brings in money for education. I am over $200,000 in funds right now for a very rural county and I am judged alongside the counties that house Phoenix and Tucson.

I wrote arguments for my thesis in college and in defense of scientific reports that I presented to the board of directors. I have written grant purprosals reviewed and accepted by the CDC, USDA, Az Dept of Ed and Health.

Based on my record, I am allowed to write with authority on a number of subjects- whereas you what? Just say it and so it is "so"? Because you and those in the twit club can't deal with facts and scientific proof, that means "I" can't write an argument?

LMAO.... you remember AG you are the one that stated I was "fun and fine" as long as I didn't get into a mood where I fought you or someone else on a principle..

Basically, you like those around you to be yes men and full of happy horse-sh1t, once they counter you and hit you with facts you crumble.

You and I are NOTHING alike AG- not even in the same league my friend- that much we both know is true.

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000489.htm

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posted July 26, 2006 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry you don't choose to see the truth. Keep believing how you're believing, and keep preaching what you're preaching. You see what kind of results you get. You're a terrible debater made worse because you think that you're good. Fact is, you're extraordinarily tangential, and often respond emotionally instead of rationally (fun and fine until you get into an argument indeed). I think everyone here has witnessed it. You mistake making a living in the sciences for intellectual capability, and you mistake your arguments here for rational responses to issues.

I think it's amusing how proud you are, and I'm in awe that some people actually accept your tone as proof that there's something behind it. Of course, maybe they just seem to cower while in actuality just leaving you alone due to your rudeness. Tough call.

It's true we're in different leagues. Very different. I don't p!ss people off wherever I go. I can manage a rational response to a post I disagree with (even without insult). I can stay on topic. I can provide the necessary proof to make my points. I don't revere people who make money through political controversy. I don't revere people who's minds are as closed as they can possibly be politically.

Have a nice day!

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AG....you speak with clarity and logic....as usual...

Kuddos....

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pidaua
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posted July 26, 2006 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG... you are hardly worth a response, a fact that is reinforced by the queen of the twit club giving you Kudos.

I am happy to choose jwhop over you any day -so again - I don't need your endorsement nor do I value your so called intellect. Hey maybe you can take this back to the twit club for a new voting session 'Does Pidaua give a crap about what I, AG and other members of my twit-club, think about her posts or arguments?'

Have fun.. maybe you can invite Rainbow and Mirandee into your fold.. as you can see Rainbow is one of your biggest fans... and it would work out well - Rainbow needs a strong man to lead her and you seem love to lead weak women.

PS... If I was truly as rude as you would believe, I wouldn't have made it this far in life nor would I be representing my county at state meetings. You can say what you want, but the proof is in where we are in life at our age. I have yet to see anyone cower before me with the exception of insecure men that realize they can't compete. Back-biting women don't stand a chance in my presence as I will point them out and then ignore them.

Since I have to deal with a great number of people from students to state reps, I have a way of dealing with people in a professional manner.. LOL.. but you can keep believing in your myth - tell me AG... what is your big claim to fame, besides making friends on the internet?


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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000489.htm

Provided by the lovely Lady Lioneye

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posted July 26, 2006 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I'm not worth a response, then why do it? Probably because you always do when your emotions come into play. That's why you more than any other person on this site feels compelled to respond to VL/MG/TP/AM. It's like you can't help yourself. It's a compulsion. Can't take a high road if there's a low one around.

Still smarting over finding out a group of people decided not to associate with you? For someone so tough, and who's always proclaiming (as if trying to convince herself) that she's a strong woman you sure are hung up on that. I hope you don't think that I mind you bringing it up. I welcome it. I am constant, and my soul feels no tarnish for the existence of KS.

Rainbow and Mirandee are free to join us if they feel like it. As far as the other weak women (Pix, Zala, Prox, Solane, Lia, Sue, Fayte, etc.), I won't tell them what you said. I think most people would consider them leaders in their own right.

Regarding your rudeness, of course you're not this rude in your professional life. That would be stupid, and it's true, you wouldn't survive. The internet's a whole 'nother deal, though, isn't it?

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You can say what you want, but the proof is in where we are in life at our age.
tell me AG... what is your big claim to fame, besides making friends on the internet?

I'm supposed to be impressed that you have a job? Yeah, that's not going to happen.

This is a good example of one of your poor excuses for an argument, though. Chris Isaak had his first hit at 35. Morrissey had his at 23. Britney Spears had hers at 17. Are any of them better than the other? Are they all different? Should Chris Isaak have given up? There are countless examples of how a human life can run, so saying you've got a job and asking me about my claim to fame is rather moot, certainly irrational, and a bit childish.

I'm a Capricorn. I take the long road. I get younger as I get older. I always reach my destination. I'm not concerned with the Jones'. I am the Jones'.

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keep telling yourSelf that..
Time waits for
NO ONE. ...

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AG,

I thank God for reasonable and rational people like you

Hi Gooberz ,

where is the anti-semitism on the left? Maybe I dont understand its definition...could you define what it means?

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