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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted July 22, 2006 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Judge for yourself:

1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF (Diversified metal Products v. IRS etal. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg 816)

3. The U.S. has not had a Treasury since 1921 (41 Stat. Ch. 214 pg. 654)

4. There are no judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and codes (FRC. V. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178) http:; llcaselaw._lp_findlaw, comlscriptsl.getcae.pl?_court=us&_vol+261&invol+248

5. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)

6. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Giuliani stated on C-Span that New York City was the capitol of the world and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) (also check out Rev. 14 in reference to what happened on 9/11)

7. You own no property, slaves cant own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1 st. Session)

8. You cannot use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The mayor and Alderman of the City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

9. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 15, 1782, Treat of Peace 8 Stat 80)

10. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796). Republican v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The society for Propagating the Gospel & c. v. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.

11. Britain is owed by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213).

12. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States (elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol. 1 53-54)

13. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing, not even what we think are our children (Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1 Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.R. REP 378, 481)

14. The People does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

15. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sappv. Tallahasse, 348 So. 2nd 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F. Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

16. Everything in the United States is for sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons, airports, etc. I wonder who bought Klamath Lake? Did anyone take the time to check? (?Executive Order 12803)

17. We are Human capital (Executive Order 13037)

18. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never a part of the United States government. Even though the US government held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. v. Strang, 254 US 491, Lewis v. U.S. 680 F. 2d, 1239) http://ca_selaw.Ip.findlaw.Co m/scripts/.qetcase.pi?Court=us&vol=254&invol=491.

19. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209 IMF decoding manual)

20. We are enemies of the State (Trading with the Enemy Act 1933 Act of 1917 & 1933) Trading with the Enemy Act 1933 Act of 1917 & 1933 (People declared the Enemy) Oct. 6, 1917, under the Trading with the Enemy Act, Section 2 subdivision ( c ) Chapter 106 Enemy defined other than citizens of the United States March 9, 1933, Chapter 106, Section 5, subdivision (b) of the Trading with the Enemy Act of Oct. 6, 1917 (40 Stat. L. 411) amended as follows: any person within the United States. See H.R. 1491 Public No. 1

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lioneye68
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posted July 22, 2006 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Americans are property, not people? Can I buy myself a couple of them? I could use a pool boy and a personal shopper

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Mirandee
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posted July 23, 2006 02:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! This doesn't exactly make my day but somehow I had a suspicion that this is the way things are.

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Mannu
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posted July 23, 2006 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Take heart Mirandee. This is absolutely rubbish!!!

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted July 23, 2006 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally,
I have no idea if this is rubbish or not.
I am just passing it on,
for more politically-minded types to peruse.

Did you investigate the links, Mannu?
I'm assuming you did,
as you are so sure of yourself.
I'm curious,
What did you find?


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Mannu
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posted July 24, 2006 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand!!!

I came to the conclusion as its not how I learned history

Bits of the statements are however true.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted July 25, 2006 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You understand what?

I don't understand.
Are you unwilling to question what you were taught?

Are the statements not supported
by the verdicts in the cases sited?

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posted July 25, 2006 07:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has been travelling the web for a few years. It's not so much that they are untrue. More like they are grossly misrepresented.

#12 is a simple example. Notice it refrences Ecclesiastical Law. This is a reference to policies of the Catholic Church only. In other words, it is believed amongst Catholics that, if need be, the laws of the Vatican must supercede the laws of the sovereign nation in which the Church member resides. Understandable enough, no? It was that belief that caused an such an uproar when John Kennedy, our first Catholic President, ran for office. Sometimes nowadays people like to think it was nothing more than common prejudice against his religion but the fear was that he could not uphold the US Constitution if, as a good Catholic , it were to contradict the authority of the Pope.

Most of the statements have similiar reasonable explanations.

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pidaua
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posted July 25, 2006 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep.. this is what I found by doing a quick check -

(Posted Labor Day Weekend, 2003)

THE WHOLE THING IS A PACK OF LIES.

Geesh, where do "they" keep coming up with this stuff?


That which is posted below in red was received via e-mail on the above date. Apparently, this message was designed to provide "very secret information" about a wide variety of sinister matters for the purpose of convincing the message's reader about the validity of certain legal positions. I can only comment about certain legal points raised in this message, and then not all of them because I am not going to waste a lot of time debunking this garbage. But this type of message is representative of what lots of people unfortunately believe.

3.) The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

This contention has been promoted by many who advocate UCC arguments. I provide here the above referenced pages from 41 Stat. ch. 214, which was an appropriations act for the federal government. These pages show that this act abolished some Treasury offices and also directed the deposit of government funds with various Federal Reserve Banks. I fail to detect how Treasury was abolished.

The truth is otherwise. The Department of the Treasury was created in September, 1789; see 1 Stat. 65. In 5 U.S.C. §101, Treasury is listed as an executive department. The establishment of Treasury is codified at 31 U.S.C. §301. We certainly have a federal Treasury today; see 31 U.S.C. §302.

Rather than being deceived by incorrect information like the above, if you wish to learn about the money issue, read this brief posted on this site, and you should also read Edwin Vieira's Pieces of Eight. Edwin is the foremost legal scholar regarding the money issue.

4.) The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

For the above proposition, the message's author cites some pages from Presidential Documents, which are not posted on the Net. However, the author does cite "22 U.S.C. 285", et seq., which sections are so posted; however, review of these laws shows this proposition to be without foundation. Here is 22 U.S.C. § 285:

The President is hereby authorized to accept membership for the United States in the Asian Development Bank (hereinafter referred to as the ''Bank'') provided for by the agreement establishing the Bank (hereinafter referred to as the ''agreement'') deposited in the archives of the United Nations.

Here is 22 U.S.C. § 286:

The President is hereby authorized to accept membership for the United States in the International Monetary Fund (hereinafter referred to as the ''Fund''), and in the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (hereinafter referred to as the ''Bank''), provided for by the Articles of Agreement of the Fund and the Articles of Agreement of the Bank as set forth in the Final Act of the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference dated July 22, 1944, and deposited in the archives of the Department of State.

Both 22 U.S.C. §287 and 22 U.S.C. §288 are long and are not posted on this page but please follow the links to FindLaw. How does membership in the IMF make Treasury the IMF or any part of it?

6.) The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

The Federal Communications Commission was created by Congress via the law codified at 47 U.S.C. §151. For the CIA, see 50 U.S.C. §403. The creation of the FBI involves old matters which I merely cite. Via an act of May 22, 1908, 35 Stat. 235, a Bureau of Investigation was created. This agency was consolidated with the Bureau of Prohibition, Division of Investigation, in the Department of Justice via E.O. 6166 of June 10, 1933. This agency was later designated as the FBI by an act of March 22, 1935, 49 Stat. 77. See 28 U.S.C. §531. I live in Huntsville, Alabama, where NASA was started; see 42 U.S.C. §2472. Pull out the United States Government Manual and one may easily find references to various statutes for the creation of federal agencies.

The author of the message cites United States v. Strang, 254 U.S. 491 (1921), which was a case where the "United States Shipping Board caused the Fleet Corporation to be organized ( April 16, 1917) under laws of the District of Columbia with $50,000,000 capital stock, all owned by the United States..." This case does not stand for the proposition that any particular agency was not a part of the government. The case of Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (9th Cir. 1982) held that the Federal Reserve Banks were private corporations.

8.) There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

The case of Federal Radio Comm. v. General Electric Co., 281 U.S. 464 (1930), simply deals with administrative procedures of federal agencies, and concerns nothing about the creation of any courts. 1 Stat. 138 was simply an act to pay the debts of the United States.

9.) There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)

The reference to 1 Stat. 138, an act to pay debts of the United States, has nothing to do with judges.

Here in Alabama, our Alabama Constitution contains provisions regarding the establishment our courts, as does Alabama Code, Title 12. Federal courts are dealt with via 28 U.S.C.

14.) New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 ( (2) (2)

Perhaps the best indicator that the author of the message discussed here was taking illicit drugs is this part. The reference to 22 C.F.R. §422.103 for the amazing proposition that New York is the capital of the world is pure fabrication; this regulation concerns solely Social Security Numbers.

20.) The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

The contention that we are Brits is fully discussed here. The foreign country that loaned money to us during the Revolution was France, not the King of England.

22.) America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

Please read my article, "We Ain't Brits." You may also read the Articles of Association which are posted on the Net; those Articles do not support any contention other than at the time, we were on the eve of war with the King of England.

31.) " The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor &City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

The case of Barron v. Baltimore dealt with the port at Baltimore and a "takings" issue. An attempt was made in this case to apply the 5th Amendment's "takings and just compensation clause" to the city.

32.) The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

The above is not what the United States Supreme Court stated in Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457 (1892): "and for this plain reason that the case assumes that we are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply ingrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of those impostors.' And in the famous case of Vidal v. Girard's Ex'rs, 2 How. 127, 198, this court, while sustaining the will of Mr. Girard, with its provisions for the creation of a college into which no minister should be permitted to enter, observed: 'it is also said, and truly, that the Christian religion is a part of the common law of Pennsylvania.'"

How about these various Presidential Proclamations and the frequent references to "Almighty God"? The below links are to various Proclamations published in the United States Statutes at Large which are posted on the Net. Some of these are several pages long, so please remember to hit "next image" to flip the pages of the Stats when reading some of these proclamations.


11 Stat. 754 11 Stat. 756 11 Stat. 763 12 Stat. 1261

12 Stat. 1263 12 Stat. 1270 13 Stat. 733 13 Stat. 735

13 Stat. 743 13 Stat. 749 13 Stat. 755 13 Stat. 773

14 Stat. 817 15 Stat. 701 15 Stat. 711 16 Stat. 1129

16 Stat. 1137



P.T. Barnum was right!

Here is the full text of the subject e-mail:

THE WHOLE THING IS A PACK OF LIES.

This is the REAL MATRIX

1.) The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

2.) The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

3.) The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

4.) The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

5.) The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganization. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy it's finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or shareholders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C.914

6.) The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

7.) The UN through the IMF issues Social Security Numbers. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 ( (2) (2) Read the cites above)

8.) There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

9.) There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)

10.) According to the GATT you must have a Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

11.) We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System.

12.) The UN is a One World Super Government.

13.) No one on this planet has ever been free!!. This planet is a Slave Colony. There has always been One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations.

14.) New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 ( (2) (2)

15.) Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619, Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

16.) Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF, which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

17.) You own no property, slaves can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

18.) The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

19.) The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24)

20.) The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

21.) You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay &Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

22.) America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

23.) Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

24.) The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)

25.) A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

26.) The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

27.) The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

28.) The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

29.) We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 &73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

30.) Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg 99. Websters 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

31.) " The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor &City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

32.) The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

33.) It is not the duty of the police to protect you !. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

34.) Everything in the "United States" is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I wonder who bought Klamath Lake? Did anyone take the time to check? (Executive Order 12803)

35.) We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

36.) The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple.

37.) The good news is we don't have to fulfill "our" fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious obligation with another's fictitious obligation.

38.) The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression. The building of Germanys infrastructure in the 1930's including the Railroads was financed by the United States. That way those who call themselves "Kings," "Prime Ministers," and "Furor."etc could sit back and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries, which didn't even exist. The millions of innocent people who died for nothing. Isn't it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these fiascoes? That is where the "Bank of International Settlements" is located. Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of Government" in place.

39.) The "United States" did not declare Independence from Great Britian or King George.

40.) Guess who owns the UN?

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http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/GrossErrors.html


Alot of the rumours seem to be propagated by Stephen Ames. He seems to consider himself an Enemy of the State uber conspiracy theory decoder. LOL

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posted July 25, 2006 09:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enemy of the State my ass.

How about pure disinformation for the purposes of sowing confusion and distracting people from the real problems?

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posted July 26, 2006 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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