posted August 06, 2006 03:49 PM            

When I used to read about the 1930s — the Italian invasion of Abyssinia, the rise of fascism in Italy, Spain, and Germany, the appeasement in France and Britain, the murderous duplicity of the Soviet Union, and the racist Japanese murdering in China — I never could quite figure out why, during those bleak years, Western Europeans and those in the United States did not speak out and condemn the growing madness, if only to defend the millennia-long promise of Western liberalism.

Of course, the trauma of the Great War was all too fresh, and the utopian hopes for the League of Nations were not yet dashed. The Great Depression made the thought of rearmament seem absurd. The connivances of Stalin with Hitler — both satanic, yet sometimes in alliance, sometimes not — could confuse political judgments.

But nevertheless it is still surreal to reread the fantasies of Chamberlain, Daladier, and Pope Pius, or the stump speeches by Charles Lindbergh (“Their [the Jews’] greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio, and our government”) or Father Coughlin (“Many people are beginning to wonder whom they should fear most — the Roosevelt-Churchill combination or the Hitler-Mussolini combination.”) — and baffling to consider that such men ever had any influence.

Not any longer.

Our present generation too is on the brink of moral insanity. That has never been more evident than in the last three weeks, as the West has proven utterly unable to distinguish between an attacked democracy that seeks to strike back at terrorist combatants, and terrorist aggressors who seek to kill civilians.

It is now nearly five years since jihadists from the Arab world left a crater in Manhattan and ignited the Pentagon. Apart from the frontline in Iraq, the United States and NATO have troops battling the Islamic fascists in Afghanistan. European police scramble daily to avoid another London or Madrid train bombing. The French, Dutch, and Danish governments are worried that a sizable number of Muslim immigrants inside their countries are not assimilating, and, more worrisome, are starting to demand that their hosts alter their liberal values to accommodate radical Islam. It is apparently not safe for Australians in Bali, and a Jew alone in any Arab nation would have to be discreet — and perhaps now in France or Sweden as well. Canadians’ past opposition to the Iraq war, and their empathy for the Palestinians, earned no reprieve, if we can believe that Islamists were caught plotting to behead their prime minister. Russians have been blown up by Muslim Chechnyans from Moscow to Beslan. India is routinely attacked by Islamic terrorists. An elected Lebanese minister must keep in mind that a Hezbollah or Syrian terrorist — not an Israeli bomb — might kill him if he utters a wrong word. The only mystery here in the United States is which target the jihadists want to destroy first: the Holland Tunnel in New York or the Sears Tower in Chicago.

In nearly all these cases there is a certain sameness: The Koran is quoted as the moral authority of the perpetrators; terrorism is the preferred method of violence; Jews are usually blamed; dozens of rambling complaints are aired, and killers are often considered stateless, at least in the sense that the countries in which they seek shelter or conduct business or find support do not accept culpability for their actions.

Yet the present Western apology to all this is often to deal piecemeal with these perceived Muslim grievances: India, after all, is in Kashmir; Russia is in Chechnya; America is in Iraq, Canada is in Afghanistan; Spain was in Iraq (or rather, still is in Al Andalus); or Israel was in Gaza and Lebanon. Therefore we are to believe that “freedom fighters” commit terror for political purposes of “liberation.” At the most extreme, some think there is absolutely no pattern to global terrorism, and the mere suggestion that there is constitutes “Islamaphobia.”

Here at home, yet another Islamic fanatic conducts an act of al Qaedism in Seattle, and the police worry immediately about the safety of the mosques from which such hatred has in the past often emanated — as if the problem of a Jew being murdered at the Los Angeles airport or a Seattle civic center arises from not protecting mosques, rather than protecting us from what sometimes goes on in mosques.

But then the world is awash with a vicious hatred that we have not seen in our generation: the most lavish film in Turkish history, “Valley of the Wolves,” depicts a Jewish-American harvesting organs at Abu Ghraib in order to sell them; the Palestinian state press regularly denigrates the race and appearance of the American Secretary of State; the U.N. secretary general calls a mistaken Israeli strike on a U.N. post “deliberate,” without a word that his own Blue Helmets have for years watched Hezbollah arm rockets in violation of U.N. resolutions, and Hezbollah’s terrorists routinely hide behind U.N. peacekeepers to ensure impunity while launching missiles.

If you think I exaggerate the bankruptcy of the West or only refer to the serial ravings on the Middle East of Pat Buchanan or Jimmy Carter, consider some of the most recent comments from Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah about Israel: “When the people of this temporary country lose their confidence in their legendary army, the end of this entity will begin [emphasis added].” Then compare Nasrallah’s remarks about the U.S: “To President Bush, Prime Minister Olmert and every other tyrannical aggressor. I want to invite you to do what you want, practice your hostilities. By God, you will not succeed in erasing our memory, our presence or eradicating our strong belief. Your masses will soon waste away, and your days are numbered [emphasis added].”

And finally examine here at home reaction to Hezbollah — which has butchered Americans in Lebanon and Saudi Arabia — from a prominent Democratic Congressman, John Dingell: “I don’t take sides for or against Hezbollah.” And isn’t that the point, after all: the amoral Westerner cannot exercise moral judgment because he no longer has any?

An Arab rights group, between denunciations of Israel and America, is suing its alma mater the United States for not evacuating Arab-Americans quickly enough from Lebanon, despite government warnings of the dangers of going there, and the explicit tactics of Hezbollah, in the manner of Saddam Hussein, of using civilians as human shields in the war it started against Israel.

Demonstrators on behalf of Hezbollah inside the United States — does anyone remember our 241 Marines slaughtered by these cowardly terrorists? — routinely carry placards with the Star of David juxtaposed with Swastikas, as voices praise terrorist killers. Few Arab-American groups these past few days have publicly explained that the sort of violence, tyranny, and lawlessness of the Middle East that drove them to the shores of a compassionate and successful America is best epitomized by the primordial creed of Hezbollah.

There is no need to mention Europe, an entire continent now returning to the cowardice of the 1930s. Its cartoonists are terrified of offending Muslim sensibilities, so they now portray the Jews as Nazis, secure that no offended Israeli terrorist might chop off their heads. The French foreign minister meets with the Iranians to show solidarity with the terrorists who promise to wipe Israel off the map (“In the region there is of course a country such as Iran — a great country, a great people and a great civilization which is respected and which plays a stabilizing role in the region”) — and manages to outdo Chamberlain at Munich. One wonders only whether the prime catalyst for such French debasement is worry over oil, terrorists, nukes, unassimilated Arab minorities at home, or the old Gallic Jew-hatred.

It is now a cliché to rant about the spread of postmodernism, cultural relativism, utopian pacifism, and moral equivalence among the affluent and leisured societies of the West. But we are seeing the insidious wages of such pernicious theories as they filter down from our media, universities, and government — and never more so than in the general public’s nonchalance since Hezbollah attacked Israel.

These past few days the inability of millions of Westerners, both here and in Europe, to condemn fascist terrorists who start wars, spread racial hatred, and despise Western democracies is the real story, not the “quarter-ton” Israeli bombs that inadvertently hit civilians in Lebanon who live among rocket launchers that send missiles into Israeli cities and suburbs.

Yes, perhaps Israel should have hit more quickly, harder, and on the ground; yes, it has run an inept public relations campaign; yes, to these criticisms and more. But what is lost sight of is the central moral issue of our times: a humane democracy mired in an asymmetrical war is trying to protect itself against terrorists from the 7th century, while under the scrutiny of a corrupt world that needs oil, is largely anti-Semitic and deathly afraid of Islamic terrorists, and finds psychic enjoyment in seeing successful Western societies under duress.

posted August 06, 2006 09:41 PM            

50,000,000..50 million people lost their lives because the world snoozed on.

If that's not insanity, I don't know what the hell is.

posted August 06, 2006 10:38 PM              

However, I dare say I think today, people are further paralized by the need to be "PC". Of course, all bets are off when it comes to politics, though... ironically enough.

posted August 06, 2006 10:42 PM              

prescott bush supported hitler, helping him build his war machine.....

hwbush sr supported saddam hussein helping him build his war machine......

posted August 07, 2006 12:55 AM            

Prescot Bush and the financial firm he was a member of was a supporter of Tyssen Industries. Tyssen Industries broke with Hitler and Hitler expropriated all of Tyssen's manufacturing plants...before the US joined the war effort in Europe.

George HW Bush was a pilot in WWII and was shot down in the Pacific by the Axis power of Japan..allied with Germany.

At that time, George W. Bush was not yet born....so what the hell is your point?

You seem to forget that Iran had committed an act of war, invading a US embassy and holding US citizens in violation of international law..for 444 days. So, sure Saddam was going our way at the time in the war between Iraq and Iran. Again, what the hell is your point?

posted August 07, 2006 01:11 AM            

Let's give them what they say they want, martyrdom from...a bullet, a car bomb, or an Improvised explosive device and 72 virgins in Paradise.

Since we're both Leos...and Leos always go right to the top echelon to lodge our complaints, we should start with the President of Iran, the leader of Syria...Assad, the leader of Hezbollah and the leader of Hamas.

posted August 07, 2006 01:18 AM              

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The enemy of our enemy is our friend--jwhop

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posted August 07, 2006 02:17 AM            

Leftist minds can't grasp the concept that nations have their own self interests. Thus, according to leftists, once a friend...always a friend...once an enemy, always an enemy but why is evey enemy of the United States a friend of leftists?

They can't account for the fact the US aided the Soviet Union in WWII and then fought a cold war for the next 40 years against....the Soviet Union.

posted August 07, 2006 11:15 AM              

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Leftist minds can't grasp the concept that nations have their own self interests

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jwhop, does that mean they are only our friends, when it's convenient for us?

What does that say for our honorableness?

Our moral standing?

Our integrity?

Not much, actually.

...because those who are hell bent on bringing in this NWO do not know the meaning of such honorable characteristics........

just as you say jwhop....

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Leftist minds can't grasp the concept that nations have their own self interests

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I'm NOT a leftist (whatever THAT is), but I can "grasp" the concept, alright.

You couldn't have put it more blatantly!

posted August 07, 2006 07:17 PM            

You and I know how it goes with the leftests on this site. If they cannot come up with anything intelligent to say or any facts to counter what has been said, they LIE.

Funny Rainbow, you sure seem to spend ALOT of time pushing for the rights of the terrorists and Muslim extremists - especially with your lopsided plea for Israel to stop the fighting yet Hezbollah is continually using women and children to hide behind. IF anyone would have been an excellent Hitler supporter and current anti-semite, well, it's YOU.

Because of your hatred for Bush you can't seem to see what the terrorists are doing to the Israeli people, but you want Israel to stop the conflict. Huh? I wonder if it is because Bush has forged a concrete ally with Israel?

You'd protect the Devil if he took the opposite side of Bush now wouldn't you?

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000489.htm

posted August 07, 2006 08:05 PM              

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Funny Rainbow, you sure seem to spend ALOT of time pushing for the rights of the terrorists and Muslim extremists - especially with your lopsided plea for Israel to stop the fighting yet Hezbollah is continually using women and children to hide behind

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Pushing for the rights of the terrorists and Muslim extremists - ???

You MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT!.......and then have the NERVE to call ME a liar!

from your own lips (or fingers)

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If they cannot come up with anything intelligent to say or any facts to counter what has been said, they LIE.

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Sorry Pid...."liar" label goes to you....for saying such a thing!

All anyone has to do....is read the posts to find that I've "lied" about nothing!

I do express my opinion....and I let it be known that that's what it is.....MY opinion....

So kindly be careful when you jump in here and start ballyhooing your erroneously arrived at conclusions!

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......and then you go on to claim I've made a "lop-sided plea for Israel to stop fighting."

Ah...check out that thread again Pid, and you'll find you are incorrect in your pre-conceived opinion...

My plea was.....

NOT for Israel to stop fighting....

......but rather....a plea to Israel....

....NOT to use the bombs that contain depleted uranium....

.....for it is a carcinogen and spreads in the form of a toxic and radioactive dust, which enters the lungs and bones. It is is especially harmful to babies and children.

.....and to get specific about it....

.........it was not even MY plea.....

..but the pleas from.....

The Israeli Committee for a Middle East Free From Atomic, Biological & Chemical Weapons PO Box 16202 Tel Aviv 61161 Israel

Jewish people, themselves....

Which I felt needed posting....

Go back and read the WHOLE POST, Pid.....

*shakes head in disbelief at the audacity!*

posted August 07, 2006 08:12 PM              

that they see anyone pleaing for the halt of chemical weapons, which kill innocent civilians far more frequently than they kill militants....as supporting extremists.

posted August 07, 2006 08:47 PM            

Rainblow,

Yes, you are pro-muslim extremists. ALMOST all of your posts are sympathetic to the terrorist causes. You BLAME almost everything on the US troops. I am not the only one that sees this, anyone with a brain can tell what side you are on.

If Bush was a Muslim and was on the side of the terrorists, THEN you would take the other side. You constantly write about the poor innocent Iraqi people at the hands of the coalition forces, but I have yet to see you blast the insurgents. DayDreamer will at least acknowledge they exist but attribute their massacres to only doing what is natural to defend themselves.

You post articles in support of Muslim terrorist supporting nations and against Israel. You wail and cry through "word" on your posts on behalf of the innocents killed in Lebanon, but NOT ONE DAMN tear for the Isrealis.

You post article after article blaming Bush and company for the 9-11 attacks, but never laying blame on the real people that attacked our country. I would LOVE to see you shed one wailing boo hoo for those that died on 9-11 half as heartfelt as you do for the Iraqi's that are murdered by the insurgents.

When you HAVE referred to the innocents that died on 9-11 you preface it or end it with "At the hands of Bush" thereby taking away from the true atrocity.

YOU are hateful, bitter woman just like DayDreamer, but what separates the two of you is that you think she gives a damn about you and what you say. In truth, to her.. it is true that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" She backs you up only because of your own mistrust, hate and anger for our Country, which matches her own.

Start talking about anything pro-military, Pro-US or Pro-Bush and you will see her true colors come out.. then again, maybe you are just like her?

Jwhop had it right- you lie when you cannot find the facts and you support left-wing communist writers. I really am not surprised that you hate most of the goverment and state you hated Clinton too..

Maybe the truth is you hate America?

Well.. what can one expect from someone that believes in Lizard people and supports a-holes like VL?

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000489.htm

posted August 07, 2006 09:11 PM              

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YOU are hateful, bitter woman just like DayDreamer, but what separates the two of you is that you think she gives a damn about you and what you say. In truth, to her.. it is true that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" She backs you up only because of your own mistrust, hate and anger for our Country, which matches her own.

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We are not pro-extremist. We are for fairness, and justice. You however are just like the crusaders who abused Christianity of the past, because you want to blow up people who dont follow your ideology. And you don't care if most of the people you kill are innocent civilians. You dont' care that you destroy their homes, their lives, their loved ones. There is no such thing as dialogue in your world.

posted August 07, 2006 09:22 PM              

I can't believe this woman!

(talk about inane blather)

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Rainblow (love that cute name...makes me sound like a nice storm coming up!).......Yes, you are pro-muslim extremists. ALMOST all of your posts are sympathetic to the terrorist causes. You BLAME almost everything on the US troops

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SHOW me those posts, Pid....

Put your money where your mouth is....

I really hate to come out and call you a liar Pid, but you give me no other choice..

When you say........

"Yes, you are pro-muslim extremists"

YOU ARE A LIAR!

When you say......

"ALMOST all of your posts are sympathetic to the terrorist causes."

YOU ARE A LIAR!

and when you say.....

"You BLAME almost everything on the US troops"

Once again - YOU ARE A LIAR!

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also from pid

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you hated Clinton too

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Wrong!

We'll give that honor to your buddy jwhop who refers to him as "Commander Corruption!"....and puts him down every chance he gets....

Truth be known.....

....I used to like Clinton....as well as Hillary....

It was only after my eyes were opened about what they're really all about, that I've changed my mind about them...and that is fairly recently....

(I really don't even know why I'm explaining this to you)

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Maybe the truth is you hate America?

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The truth is....I LOVE AMERICA.....

.....and I am heartsick at the direction that bush is taking it...

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Well.. what can one expect from someone that believes in Lizard people

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There you go with the "lizard" people again....

Ah....can you come up with any of my posts talking about "lizard" people?

You know you can't....

your rambling posts make no sense, Pid....

Are you losing it?

posted August 08, 2006 04:50 PM              

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You however are just like the crusaders who abused Christianity of the past, because you want to blow up people who dont follow your ideology. And you don't care if most of the people you kill are innocent civilians. You dont' care that you destroy their homes, their lives, their loved ones. There is no such thing as dialogue in your world.

The one who is bitter and hateful is you.

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Very well put, Daydreamer....

posted August 08, 2006 05:43 PM            

Do you understand a quote is something that is not supposed to be altered? Nah, you wouldn't know because you are the master of all that is distorted and untruthful.

If you want to look at blather, take a look at the format of your posts. You can't even form a cohesive sentence let alone a damn paragraph. You write in incomplete stanzas often addressing yourself as you write.

Comical for you to say that I blather? This coming from the intellectual nimrod that said Clinton "who was worser" in a post to jwhop? LMAO...

DayDreamer, you wouldn't know fairness and justice if it bit you on the rear end. Both you and Stainblow have repeatedly implicated the US and the bad guy for everything that goes on in the world. Both of you deny the truth that is Hezbollah (and to NOT condemn them for their actions, as well as to NOT condemn the insurgents for theirs, it TO SUPPORT TERRORIST and therefore be PRO-TERRORIST).

Stainblow.... some day those men will be showing up to take you back to the looney bin. LOL

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000489.htm

posted August 08, 2006 05:57 PM              

It was to imply that the person who was thinking it was "worser" was thinking like a child....

I mean, might a small child not say, "Your dad is worser than my dad."

posted August 08, 2006 06:10 PM              

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take a look at the format of your posts. You can't even form a cohesive sentence let alone a damn paragraph. You write in incomplete stanzas often addressing yourself as you write.

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I'm just being "creative," Pid...

I know that since you think you are the "one who makes the rules" around here, that you'd like nothing better than to CONTROL the WAY I POST!

posted August 08, 2006 06:52 PM            

Did you forget this tidbit?

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Huh.... so are you to say you have NEVER been guilty of such infractions? You ask how I determined the standards? Guess only a few of us saw this- then again, certain areas can appear gray. What is offensive and vulgar to one person may not be to another person. For example, your use of the word Gash may be offensive to me- but you get upset at the word "hag", which I laugh at.

If you want to post in stanzas like a mental patient, be my guest. It is indicative of your mentality.