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DayDreamer
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posted August 14, 2006 03:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Arundhati Roy on the Palestinian / Israeli Conflict


Segment from the film "We.." where Arundhati Roy speaks about the Israeli / Palestinian conflict in the middle east. Historic references, who funds it, and more. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vnaf8R_SJo&eurl=

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DayDreamer
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posted August 14, 2006 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's to free speech!!

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I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
~Churchill to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)

Watch the video.

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cancerrg
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posted August 16, 2006 05:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
roy is sexy!

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TINK
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posted August 16, 2006 09:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't that a great Churchill quote? So much stuff there.

And it's a shame too because nowadays, I think, most tend to see it as an affront to "racial sensitivity", political correctness and all that BS. But if you can get through the initial knee-jerk reaction, there are several awfully interesting thoughts waiting to be found.

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DayDreamer
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posted August 16, 2006 05:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancerrg, she is beautiful.

Tink, yeah there is a lot of stuff in that quote. It's very telling and shows some of the irony of that time.

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jwhop
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posted August 17, 2006 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a nice little piece of Islamic terrorist propaganda...which leaves out the most important facts.

Fact One:

A certain parcel of the area known as Palestine was given..by the United Nations to the Jewish people and named Israel.

Fact Two:

Within 24 hours of Israel declaring it's independence as a separate and sovereign nation, Israel was attacked by the combined armies of 5 Arab nations who intended to destroy Israel and all the Jews living there.

Fact Three:

Those Arab nations warned the Arab inhabitants of the area of the pending attack and told them to get the hell out. They were most certainly NOT driven out by the Israelis.

Fact Four:

The surrounding Arab states have attempted to destroy Israel numerous times.

The Six-Day War (June 1967)...another attack by the combined armies of surrounding Arab States.

The Yom Kippur War (October 1973)...another attack by the combined armies of surrounding Arab States.

These are 3 unprovoked wars against Israel by combined armies of Arab States, all failed to wipe Israel off the map. In the process, Israel captured Arab land from Jordan, Egypt and Syria...and gave it back to them...except for the Golan Heights area which Israel retained as a buffer zone between Israel and Syria...for damned good reasons.

It is a damned lie that Israel drove so called Palestinians out of the area. They left at the urging of Arab states who intended to attack Israel...and told them to leave the area.

There have been unprovoked attack after attack against Israel and an unwillingness by terrorists and terrorist supporting nations to come to an agreement on the formation of a separate nation for the so called Palestinians...many of whom were driven out of surrounding ARAB nations and most certainly, no effort was made by those nations to absorb the so called Palestinians into their populations.

This latest attack by Hezbollah was another act of war against Israel...by yet another ARAB group and Muslim nations..Syria and Iran, bent on Israel's destruction.

Just to put the propaganda video clip in it's proper perspective...and correct some lies.

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jwhop
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posted August 17, 2006 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will cease-fires never cease?
By Thomas Sowell
Wednesday, August 16, 2006

How many cease-fires have there been in the Middle East -- or is the number too large to remember? Over the past half century, there must have been more cease-fires in the Middle East than in the rest of the world combined.

What will this latest cease-fire do? It will give Hezbollah a breather from Israeli retaliation and allow them time to get new shipments of military equipment from Iran, rebuild their military infrastructure and prepare for the next round of attacks on Israel.

Why do these phony cease-fire scenarios keep getting repeated? Because there are too many people, including many in the media, who take the corrupt windbags at the U.N. seriously -- so our political leaders have to act as if they take the U.N. seriously as well.

This is a costly charade. Among its costs are human lives. U.N. cease-fires are the ultimate in feel-good decisions made by people who pay no price for the repercussions.

No one in his right mind believes that either the Lebanese army or the U.N. "peacekeepers" will disarm Hezbollah. The track record of both is virtually a guarantee that Hezbollah will be able to resume war against Israel at whatever time and place it chooses. Most people have no idea how small Israel is -- and therefore how vulnerable every part of it is to its surrounding enemies.

New Hampshire is considered to be a small state but it is larger than Israel. So are 45 other states. Lake Erie is larger than Israel and Lake Michigan more than twice as large.

The Middle Eastern places we hear about are very close to one another. From Israel's capital in Jerusalem to Bethlehem in the Palestinian territory is only a fraction of the distance from Washington to Baltimore.

Most people are as uninformed about the history of the Middle East as they are about its geography. Supposedly Jews took over the Palestinians' homeland in order to create the state of Israel.

But there was no Palestinian homeland. That whole region belonged to the Ottoman Empire until the Ottoman Empire was dismembered after its defeat in the First World War.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims had all lived in Palestine for centuries. In the course of carving up the Ottoman Empire to create new nations, the British set aside a small part of it for Jews -- and after violent objections from the Arabs, stalled for years on letting this bit of land become an independent nation.

Jews lived in Palestine long before there was a state of Israel and even before there was an Ottoman Empire. In 1939, Winston Churchill commented that Jews in Palestine "made the desert bloom." The resulting prosperity of the area attracted both more Jews and more Arabs, including some Arabs whose descendants would later claim that Jews took over their country.

After World War II and the Holocaust, Jews seeking refuge turned to their promised home in the Middle East and battled the British to seize control and proclaim the independence of Israel.

In the face of polarizing hostility and violence in surrounding Arab countries, Jews fled these countries and many were absorbed into Israel. Meanwhile, Arab countries urged Arabs living in Israel to leave before these countries' planned attacks with the aim of destroying the new state.

It was the Arabs, rather than the Israelis, who created a massive Palestinian refugee problem. While Jewish refugees were absorbed into the general population of Israel, Palestinians in Arab countries were kept in refugee camps for generations -- promised a right to return after Israel was conquered and the Jews displaced.

After the most complete failure of the many Arab efforts to annihilate Israel in 1967, the Israelis took over lands of strategic value, such as the Golan Heights, in order to prevent them from being used in future military attacks.

In all the years when these lands had been in the hands of Arab states, no one made them a Palestinian homeland. But now it has become a fervent cause to force Israel to create a Palestinian state that the Arabs never created.

None of this matters to those consumed by hate in the Middle East or those in the West wanting feel-good cease-fires, without bothering to think through the actual consequences.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=will_cease-fires_never_cease&ns=ThomasSowell&dt=08/16/2006&page=1

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lioneye68
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posted August 17, 2006 02:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Jwhop - You're just going to get called an ignorant liar.

People consumed with hatred are irrational and don't like facts, because there are too many facts that negate the justifications for thier hatred. They don't realize how insane they seem to reasonable people either.

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jwhop
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posted August 17, 2006 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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1.Oh, Jwhop - You're just going to get called an ignorant liar.

2. People consumed with hatred are irrational and don't like facts, because there are too many facts that negate the justifications for thier hatred.

3. They don't realize how insane they seem to reasonable people either.


Right on every count lioneye...but the crown jewel of what you said is #3.

"They don't realize how insane they seem to reasonable people either."

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pidaua
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posted August 17, 2006 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking the same thing Lioneye when I was reading jwhops posts.

Facts mean NOTHING to these people that promote and support hate. Truth is nothing while lies are everything.

It's getting old fast. I am sure jwhops posts will bring about a barrage of Anti-Western statements from DD telling him he is just so full of it and he is an ignorant person- just like the rest of us. Better yet, she will accuse us of creating a "new" username since she can't handle that more and more conservatives are speaking out.

I do hope she didn't offend carma-b to the point that she up and left. LOL...

PS.. I have always admired Churchill, but if one of us posted that same quote I think we'd be called a bunch of conservative racists.

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WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!


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