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jwhop
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posted August 22, 2006 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Call it Mother Nature's way of correcting mistakes.

Tuesday, Aug. 22, 2006 12:46 a.m. EDT
Liberal 'Fertility Gap' Should Worry Democrats

Liberals frantic to have the Democratic Party recapture the Congress in November are casting their nets far and wide to haul in a new catch of young voters for future elections.

If fertility statistics are considered, that catch has to be a disappointment for liberals because there are fewer and fewer young liberal voters in the electoral sea.


The reason? According to Arthur C. Brooks, writing in Tuesday’s Opinion Journal, it’s the "fertility gap" – the dramatically falling birth rate in this country.


Liberals, he writes, "have a big baby problem. They're not having enough of them, they haven't for a long time, and their pool of potential new voters is suffering as a result.”


Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University's Maxwell School of Public Affairs and the author of the forthcoming book "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism," cites the 2004 General Social Survey as proof that liberals are vanishing. The survey reveals if you picked 100 unrelated politically liberal adults at random, you would find that they had, between them, 147 children. If, on the other hand, you picked 100 conservatives, you would find 208 kids - a "fertility gap" of a whopping 41 percent.

"Given that about 80 percent of people with an identifiable party preference grow up to vote the same way as their parents, this gap translates into lots more little Republicans than little Democrats to vote in future elections,” Brooks writes. "Over the past 30 years this gap has not been below 20 percent - explaining, to a large extent, the current ineffectiveness of liberal youth voter campaigns today.”

And the news gets worse for the prospects of a lot of new little lefties arriving on the scene: The fertility gap is widening by more than half a percentage point per year.

Here's a peek into the future:

Ohio, a state that was split 50-50 between left and right in 2004, will tilt right by 2012, 54 percent to 46 percent. By 2020, it will be certifiably right wing, 59 percent to 41 percent.

California, currently 55-45 in favor of liberals, will be 54-46 in favor of conservatives by 2020 - and all for no other reason than multiple births from family-friendly conservatives.

Conservative Republican families, a majority of whom are pro-life and religious, tend to have more children, whereas more liberal voters, many of whom are unmarried and who support abortion, tend to have less.

The suicidal impulse behind the liberal failure to reproduce was viewed by a liberal newspaper columnist quoted by Brooks as a symbol of liberal compassion and conscience: "Maybe the scales are tipping to the neoconservative, homogenous right in our culture simply because they tend not to give much of a damn for the ramifications of wanton breeding and environmental destruction and pious sanctimony, whereas those on the left actually seem to give a whit for the health of the planet and the dire effects of overpopulation."
Writes Brooks: "It would appear liberals have been quite successful controlling overpopulation - in the Democratic Party . . .

"All things considered, if the Democrats continue to appeal to liberals and the Republicans to conservatives, getting out the youth vote may be increasingly an exercise in futility for the American left."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/8/22/125841.shtml?s=ic

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pidaua
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posted August 22, 2006 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh man... I was JUST coming here to post this.. LOL.. you beat me to it jwhop.. guess you're one Lion that ain't snoozing right now.

PS.. You're posts were great in Astrology. I was talking to Bear last night about AG trying to take on lalalinda and you, both of whom have extreme expertise in astrology. We had a good laugh about it


Now back to the article search....

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jwhop
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posted August 22, 2006 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe, I almost spit my Perrier all over my keyboard when I read that article.

I must bow to the superior astrological knowledge and expertise of lalalinda.

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Isis
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posted August 22, 2006 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One other little thing...you know the saying, "if you're not a liberal when you're 20 you have no heart, if you're still a liberal at 40 you have no brain"? (the ages might be a bit off, I'm paraphrasing)...well..

If you also take into account the votes the fanatic wing of the Dem party loses as people mature, they're going to be in really bad shape.

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posted August 22, 2006 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They're (Jwhop & Lala are) disputing a published astrologer on the subject this astrologer has decided to make her expertise. Perhaps publishing companies just publish any astrologer that writes a book, in which case I'll being looking forward to Jwhop & Lala's book, and wishing them wide returns.

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jwhop
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posted August 22, 2006 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Winston Churchill may have said 40 or 30 Isis, but the point is the same that with maturity and experience comes reason.

I also don't think Churchill was talking about true liberals but rather the far left fringe socialists who seemed then as today to be suicidal on issues of national defense.

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Isis
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posted August 22, 2006 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being published does not necessarily make one an expert.

Failing to have written a book on a subject does not disqualify one as an "expert" either.

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pidaua
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posted August 22, 2006 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How funny.. so now, according to AG, to be an expert one has to be published or if one is published they are an expert or the content is true?

So books that deny the holocaust ever happened must be true because someone published them.

Books about creationism and evolution are equally true because they are published even though they counter each other.

Got it....


I know lala off the LindaLand and she is one brilliant astrologer. She is also a wonderful mother and great friend. I have never known her to spout off trash, which makes AG's argument is even more intellectually lacking than his other well known rantings.

Posting with authority does not make one in power. Lala and jwhop don't have to write a book in order to know what they are talking about. I do find it funny that YOU AG of all people are judging who is an expert and who is not when you are still relatively new to astrology. LaLa and jwhop have been studying astrology probably longer than you and I have been alive.

I've been studying astrology for almost 20 years (but took a few breaks) and I realize that some trends change and some don't.

It is up to the astrologer to determine what is right for them as well as take into account various tried and true methods.

In our own world we have several highly different methods, heliocentric astrology, vedic astrology, Western astrology and Magi astrology are just some examples of differences.

We have people that believe the birth time is ALWAYS the right time where as other people believe in corrected charts to determine the souls true rising sign.

BTW, when is your book due?

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AcousticGod
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posted August 22, 2006 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that publishing doesn't make one an expert. Not by a long shot (see NewsMax ). The point is simply that someone thought it publishable and finds this author to be a credible voice on the issue. Someone thought that her opinion was in some way pertinent and marketable.

If she's not an expert and her opinion is in opposition to the accepted theories, then it should be really easy to get a similar book published, but with the corrected/true information. There should also be an abundance of information out there that directly contradicts her point of view. I haven't seen it.

In Vedic astrology both nodes are associated with planets, and they are Malefic - they both bring short lists of negative attributes (which don't have much in common with their Western counterparts).

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pidaua
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posted August 22, 2006 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm... I think it is ironic AG that you would push for her to publish (to qualify her as in expert..since you so sarcastically indicated that she should have all that opposition literature on hand) yet wasn't it you that basically said someone doesn't need a college degree to be considered intelligent?

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"...Through propaganda measures, especially by means of the press, radio, cinema, handbills, short brochures, educational statements, and the like, the population must be convinced over and over again how harmful it is to have a lot of children. The costs ought to be cited, and then what could have been bought instead. The great dangers to women's health that can arise in childbearing could be spelled out, and so forth. Along with this propaganda, large-scale propaganda must be issued for contraceptives. Neither advocacy and dissemination of contraceptives, nor abortion, should be illegal. The establishment of abortion facilities should be positively promoted..."

Eugenics and Population Control:

The 1935 Nazi World Population Conference, and the 1994 U.N. Cairo Population Conference --
More of the Same

It is no exaggeration to compare the United Nations' upcoming international conference on population in Cairo with the 1932 International Eugenics Conference in New York and its continuation at the 1935 International Congress for Population Science, as the following report will prove. Only massive suppression of published facts can explain why the present German government on the one hand pleads ``historical reasons'' not to intervene against Serbian genocide (referring to the Nazis' World War II occupation of Yugoslavia), yet maintains no such scruples with regard to the U.N.-decreed ``battle against overpopulation,'' i.e., the battle to reduce the numbers of non-white people in other parts of the world. It becomes apparent that Nazi propaganda's concept of ``race'' is replaced in today's Malthusian propaganda, ranging from government memoranda to school textbooks, by the equally omnipresent concept of ``the environment'' or its corollary, ``sustainable development.''
The following report is based almost exclusively on the nearly 1,000-page ``Report of the International Congress for Population Science,'' which was published in 1936 as a book titled Population Questions, edited by Hans Harmsen and Franz Lohse. In every respect it is shocking to read, not simply because the several hundred population specialists who gathered in Berlin in 1935 evidently permitted Nazi racial policy to be presented without dissent. It is precisely the restrained, polite tone of the Berlin conference, where the German spokesmen, in particular, avoided any controversy, which underscores how far 20 years of the same Darwinian-Nietzschean ideology has already led us into a new barbarism of the same kind--only this time on a world scale.

Population and Eugenics
The official chairman of the Congress, Eugen Fischer, said in his speech: ``Numerous peoples have burning racial questions underlying their population problem. Here too it is the racial researcher who can stand with advice and assistance at the side of the demographic statistician. It is the right and the sacred duty of every people to maintain the condition of its Volk in its racially thoroughbred quality, as it existed in its ancestral days of yore.... I believe that this clearly expresses the fact that the investigation of human hereditary factors stands at the center, and as the goal, of the entire study of population.''
The organizers of the global population conference in Cairo, too, link population policy to eugenics. This was confirmed on May 10, 1994 by a certain Mayone Stycos, professor of demography and sociology at Cornell University, during a World Population Foundation conference in Stockholm. A journalist from Executive Intelligence Review magazine asked Professor Stycos whether the Cairo conference can be seen as a continuation of the 1932 eugenics conference in New York. Not the least shocked or affronted, Professor Stycos replied that the eugenics movement had accomplished important things, and in the interim ``scientific and technical breakthroughs'' were made, referring to better methods of contraception and sterilization. ``If you go to the Cairo conference, you'll find that a lot of it revolves around eugenics.''

Latterday population experts like Stycos put forth their own special ``racial criteria'': Africans and Chinese are clearly unworthy of possessing technology. For China, ``birth control is more important than economic development,'' Stycos declared in his Stockholm speech. ``It would be a catastrophe if every Chinese had a refrigerator.''

One of the most important British non-governmental organizations (NGOs) active on the perimeter of the Cairo conference is called the Marie Stopes International. Marie C. Stopes, who died in 1957, herself attended the 1935 Berlin Congress. The conference report summarizes her contribution as follows: ``Marie Stopes demanded that scientifically trained minds examine the prerequisites for human conception and give directions for regulating them from the point of view of breeding up the human stock.''

What Eastern Europe represented for the Nazis, the developing countries represent for the U.N. Population Fund today.

The U.N. Population Fund and the worldwide Malthusian propaganda apparatus deem the poor countries of the Third World ``overpopulated.'' Despite the accelerating decline in births in the developing countries since the 1970s, from 6.1 to 3.9 children per mother, it is claimed that the black, brown, and yellow people there are still far too prolific.

In the 1930s, mortality was still so high in the Third World that no one considered its demographic trends a threat; the Nazis' overpopulation propaganda was directed against the Slavs. Dr. Friedrich Burgdoerfer, director of the Reich's Statistical Office, asserted at the Berlin world population conference in solemnly objective tones, that by the year 1960 Slavs would make up over half the European population, while the proportion of Germans would shrink to one-fourth. He illustrated his speech with charts which were later reprinted in numerous Nazi propaganda documents. They show a remarkable similarity to current portrayals of the Third World's growing share of the total population of the earth.

Lower birth rates in the northern countries lend additional impetus to the argument, as they did in the 1930s. The late French geopolitician F.O. Miksche wrote in 1991: ``Currently 5.5 billion people are living on the Earth. While in the Western industrialized states the population growth rate averages only about 0.5 percent, in the Third World countries the birth rate stands at between 2 percent and 3 percent. Only in the United States is the population growing by 3 million per year--of which more than half are, of course, non-white, and in no way suffices, together with Europe, to counterbalance Asia, Africa, and Latin America. The far higher birth rates in most countries of the Third World will mean that in the relatively short period of 30 years, out of each 100 million people on the globe, scarcely 10 to 12 will be white.'' From this Miksche derives a prophecy of ``international race war'': ``the Western nations are directly inviting their future attackers to solve their problems by means of armed force against the wealthy industrial countries.''


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Kissinger and Hitler
A secret U.S. government document dated Dec. 10, 1974, promulgated under the direction of then-National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger and first declassified in 1990, bears the title ``Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests.'' The document, National Security Study Memorandum 200, expresses the fear that population growth in the Third World will endanger U.S. strategic raw-materials supplies. Securing ``the smooth flow of needed materials'' requires a ``slow or zero growth in population'' in the raw-materials-producing nations, in the security interests of the United States. [Further excerpts from National Security Study Memorandum 200 can be found in ``The genocidal roots of Bush's `New World Order,'|'' EIR Special Report, Wasington, D.C., May 1992. The memorandum was declassified on June 6, 1990, and can be examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.]
The comparison here which suggests itself is to Hitler's 1941 Generalplan Ost for the occupied territories of Eastern Europe. Through the use of raw materials and food production in Poland and Ukraine, as well as the exploitation of ``surplus'' labor there, the Nazis intended to make Germany ``blockade-proof'' and to ensure supplies for both the Wehrmacht and the home front. Part of this strategy was the extermination of European Jews, down to the Final Solution in the death camps. At the same time, the ``overpopulation'' in occupied Eastern Europe was to be eliminated through a systematic plan for population reduction. By means of state-sponsored birth control, abortion, deportation, calculated starvation, and mass murder, the population of Poland, the Baltic nations, Byelorussia, and western Ukraine was to be reduced by half or more.

Since 1990 at the latest, the United Nations' Population Fund's population strategy has made no secret of the goal set for the gigantic birth-control army the Cairo Action Plan would still further expand. The goal is to bring population growth in the developing nations to a halt as soon as possible, and to reduce total world population in the next 150 years to half the number of people living today. The basis, as it was in the 1930s, is an ideologically warped demographic theory which portrays all economic, social, and environmental problems as results of ``overpopulation,'' whereas conversely, ``the smaller the total population finally becomes, the more room our children and grandchildren will have.'' In other words, the elimination of ``excess people,'' the reduction of ``population pressure,'' is presented as the solution to every problem.

Birth control and abortion were part of the Nazis' depopulation arsenal, too. Reichsleiter Martin Bormann, the personal aide to Adolf Hitler, wrote to Ostminister Alfred Rosenberg on July 23, 1942: ``If girls and women in the occupied Eastern zone abort their children, that can only be to our advantage.... According to the Führer's attitude, it is even necessary to allow full-scale traffic in contraceptives in the occupied territories, because we can have no stake whatever in an increase in the non-German population.''

The racial administrator in the Reich's Eastern Territories Ministry, Erhard Wetzel, dealt extensively with this topic in his April 1942 commentary on the Generalplan Ost: ``Regarding these zones, we must conduct a deliberate policy of negative population growth. Through propaganda measures, especially by means of the press, radio, cinema, handbills, short brochures, educational statements, and the like, the population must be convinced over and over again how harmful it is to have a lot of children. The costs ought to be cited, and then what could have been bought instead. The great dangers to women's health that can arise in childbearing could be spelled out, and so forth. Along with this propaganda, large-scale propaganda must be issued for contraceptives. Neither advocacy and dissemination of contraceptives, nor abortion, should be illegal. The establishment of abortion facilities should be positively promoted. Midwives and assistant medical officers, for instance, can be trained as abortionists.... It is obvious that by systematic application of the above measures, considerable success can be achieved in weakening the racial substance of the Russian people.''

At the Berlin conference, little more than Burgdoerfer's charts and commentary could be seen or heard about all this. The international association's official policy toward the Jews still remained to be fleshed out. Only Alfred Ploetz made the disapproving remark in his speech that statistically, during wartime the ``blood toll'' of Jews contributed only about one-fourth that of the rest of the German population, ``partly because of their smaller average physical size, partly because of their disinclination toward becoming soldiers, and partly because of their frequently deficient capacity for enthusiasm toward their host population and its nation.'' But almost all the speeches dripped with the theoretical racism of a Darwin or Nietzsche, and almost everyone spoke of ``selection'' and ``counter-selection,'' about the survival of the fittest as willed by Nature, in which no irresponsible intervention to sustain the weak (``counter-selection'') can be permitted. ``There exists not only brotherly love, but love of the most remote, to use a term of Nietzsche's, and these remotest ones are our children's children, and population science teaches us to help determine their destiny,'' unctuously declared Eugen Fischer before concluding his address with ``Sieg Heil!''

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/eugenics.htm

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AcousticGod
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posted August 22, 2006 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[In response to Pidaua]
Lala's an admitted expert. That's what she'd call herself based on what she believes of her knowledge. Being an expert it would seem logical that she would know, and be able to provide some sort of information to back up the claim that she's making. College has nothing to do with it.
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Overall here's what I think is going on: You guys want me dumb down and submit to what must be a superior interpretation, right?

Ok, I'm stupid. Make your case, and I'll see if it resonates with me as well as Jan Spiller's does.

No one's provided the case to disprove Astrology For The Soul, but yet I'm still expected to accept that Jan just doesn't know what she's talking about. There are differing views as to the exact nature of the Nodes. I saw something today about there needing to be balance between the two nodes (without a particular concentration on either one) today. That was a decent assertion, and I understood that author's reasoning. That author didn't care to choose what the Nodes mean exactly, but went on to give interps for planets conjunct the Nodes.

How long will I be considered wrong for something no one seems willing to tackle in any meaningful way? Should I just write this off as unresolvable?

Zala's NN posts got responses, and most of them were in the affirmative (I saw one for either Aries or Libra NN where the person was ****** , and found Jan's views to be offensive and judgmental). Zala's posts were made up of Jan Spiller's views. Should we discount any of those people who happen to agree with Jan Spiller as well?

You guys don't want me listening to Jan Spiller, so please provide some direction here that my unknowing brain might be healed, and we can move on.

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posted August 22, 2006 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well acoustic, I thought I'd let you blather on for a while until you got around to repeating yourself.

You contend lalalinda and I oppose what Jan Spiller says in regard to interpretations of the Moon's Nodes and you have so indicated several times now. But neither lalalinda or I have said any such thing.

Lalalinda said:

"I am familiar with Jan Spiller
And I'm sure she wouldn't be happy with you misrepresenting her work."

You said:

"Otherwise, as I said previously, I agree with Jan Spiller's interp....acoustic"

To which, I said...meaning you acoustic:
"Misinterpreting the interpretation"

"I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not
sure what you heard was really what I meant."

I also pointed out to you that Jan Spiller's work...the portion I copied and pasted that you were kind enough to post was right in line with what lalalinda said and that it did not support your position.

But nowhere on that thread on the Astrology forum will you find lalalinda or I saying either of us disagree or alluding to disagreement with her Node interpretations.

What we both did say or allude to is that YOU seem to disagree with her interpretation or perhaps misinterpret/misrepresent her interpretations.

I make no claim to being an astrologer...nor to having studied Jan Spiller's work but I can read.

So acoustic, you want to interpret the Moon's Nodes as throwing off personality traits. Themes which run more or less universally through the spectrum of one's pattern of collective character, behavioral, temperamental, emotional, and mental.

Jan Spiller was pretty specific about situations in which one would find NN in Capricorn people being very emotional and the issues involved in those emotional displays.

Jan Spiller:
Capricorn North Node people are very emotional. They cry at movies and at sad stories; their feelings are very present and available to them. These folks can be so overrun by their emotions that they can't think, they can't function, and they don't know why. This can happen when they are faced with personal loss or in professional situations involving confrontation or performance; they can't seem to control it—it simply escalates.

I happen to agree with the bolded portion which is the meat and potatoes of her statement and they relate to 10th House issues...Saturn/Capricorn issues....not personality traits, the indicators of which are found in the rest of the chart

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posted August 23, 2006 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I appreciate at least your attempt at understanding, Jwhop.

That thread was titled Overly Sensitive, and a good portion of Jan Spiller's interpretation of Capricorn North Node is that they're overly sensitive. (It's the meat of the Capricorn chapter.) That over-sensitivity is tied to Cancerian South Node as I said in my initial post, and it's also tied to the way they succeed through their Capricorn North Node. Lala's premise was that in no way can the Nodes confer something like being overly sensitive to a person. Jan has a different perspective. She says things like, "These folks have an unparalleled connection with their emotions," and, "Capricorn North Node people are so sensitive that they are aware of all levels of communication, including others' words, feelings, and body language—and all the discrepancies and uncertainties that accompany them!" My assertion reflects what Jan said. These are traits she's observed in people with Capricorn North Node/Cancerian South Node.

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posted August 23, 2006 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll let lalalinda speak to what she thinks Jan Spiller is talking about...NN-SN issues, what it means and where those issues apply.

You already know what I think...Nodes are issue related, issues relating to the sign the Node is in and the House it rules, not personality related.

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Well, this liberal had three babies and between two of my children they have five babies so we are doing our share.

This article assumes an awful lot. But then again it comes from NewsMax.

Ann Coulter is one conservative who has not contributed to the conservative fertility pool. Probably because she can't find a man who would want her to be the mother of his children. Since she is past the age of 50 now her chances are slim to nothing of ever contributing to the fertility pool.

For this reason I think all the conservatives should kick her out of your ranks for not reproducing and helping to create your master race of people who all think alike.

Only don't send her over to the liberals because we don't want her.

Laura Bush hasn't exactly contributed her share to the pool either. She only had a set of twins and quit.

Someone should notify Susan Sarandan and Tim Robbins about this liberal pool. How many children do they have now? Quite a few I believe. Also Bobby Kennedy didn't know this about the liberals either because he and his wife had 13 children.

Sorry but there will never be a shortage of liberals as long as people can think for themselves.

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Isis that quote you posted here was by Winston Churchill.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. - Winston Churchill

In keeping with the spirit of this quote here are a few quotes on conservatives:


What is conservativism? Is it not the adherence to the old and tried against the new and untried? - Abraham Lincoln

A conservative is a man who believes that nothing should be done for the first time. - Alfred E. Wiggam

Ann Richards on How to Be a Good Republican:

1. You have to believe that the nation's current 8-year prosperity was due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but yesterday's gasoline prices are all Clinton's fault.

2. You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own.

3. You have to be against all government programs, but expect Social Security checks on time.

4. You have to believe that AIDS victims deserve their disease, but smokers with lung cancer and overweight individuals with heart disease don't deserve theirs.

5. You have to appreciate the power rush that comes with sporting a gun.

6. You have to believe...everything Rush Limbaugh says.

7. You have to believe that the agricultural, restaurant, housing and hotel industries can survive without immigrant labor.

8. You have to believe God hates homosexuality, but loves the death penalty.

9. You have to believe society is color-blind and growing up black in America doesn't diminish your opportunities, but you still won't vote for Alan Keyes.

10. You have to believe that pollution is OK as long as it makes a profit.

11. You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

12. You have to believe Newt Gingrich and Henry Hyde were really faithful husbands.

13. You have to believe speaking a few Spanish phrases makes you instantly popular in the barrio.

14. You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.

15. You have to be against government interference in business, until your oil company, corporation or Savings and Loan is about to go broke and you beg for a government bail out.

16. You love Jesus and Jesus loves you and, by the way, Jesus shares your hatred for AIDS victims, homosexuals, and President Clinton.

17. You have to believe government has nothing to do with providing police protection, national defense, and building roads.

18. You have to believe a poor, minority student with a disciplinary history and failing grades will be admitted into an elite private school with a $1,000 voucher.

The only truly new ideas [the right] has come up with in the last twenty years are (1) supply side economics, which is a way of redistributing the wealth upward toward those who already have more than they know what to do with, and (2) creationism, which is a parallel idea for redistributing ignorance out from its fundamentalist strongholds to those who know more than they need to. - Barbara Ehrenreich

Conservatism discards Prescription, shrinks from Principle, disavows Progress; having rejected all respect for antiquity, it offers no redress for the present, and makes no preparation for the future. - Benjamin Disraeli

A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy. - Benjamin Disraeli ( My personal favorite )

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. - G. K. Chesterton

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. - John Kenneth Galbraith

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. - John Stuart Mill

A conservative is one who admires radicals centuries after they're dead. - Leo C. Rosten

The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them. - Mark Twain

Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen. - Mort Sahl

The Democrats are the party of government activism, the party that says government can make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed out of your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then get elected and prove it. - P. J. O'Rourke

We are different from previous generations of conservatives. We are no longer working to preserve the status quo. We are radicals, working to overturn the present power structure of this country. - Paul Weyrich

Education either functions as an instrument which is used to facilitate integration of the younger generation into the logic of the present system and bring about conformity or it becomes the practice of freedom, the means by which men and women deal critically and creatively with reality and discover how to participate in the transformation of their world. - Paulo Freire

Reform is affirmative, conservatism negative; conservatism goes for comfort, reform for truth. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Most liberals never lost sight of the potential for evil in big government. They have consistently opposed government power in matters of personal and political belief. Liberals are not unconcerned with economic liberty, but they have come to believe that the common good requires that social justice be given a higher priority than absolute economic freedom. Conservatives are—and always have been—on the other side of both questions. They are much more prone than liberals to limiting personal and political liberties, but they place the freedom of an individual to do as he pleases in the economic realm at the top of their concerns. Social justice has held a lower priority for conservatives, from the days of Alexander Hamilton when they favored strong government as a means of protecting their economic privileges to the days of Ronald Reagan when they see government as an instrument of social justice and therefore a threat to their economic position. - Robert S. McElvaine

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear. - William E. Gladstone

And I think this speaks for itself regarding the new conservatives:

Guns have little or nothing to do with juvenile violence. The causes of youth violence are working parents who put their kids into daycare, the teaching of evolution in the schools, and working mothers who take birth control pills. [on causes of the Columbine High School massacre, 1999] - Tom DeLay

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posted August 25, 2006 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where does this leave Independents?


But seriously, anyone have any theories on the very real infertility issue that seem to be so commonplace nowadays? Do you think it really is just survival of the fittest? No offense to anyone with fertility problems meant, btw. I've just been wondering about this issue myself for a while now.

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posted August 25, 2006 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Ann Richards on How to Be a Good Republican: "

Hmmm... nice post Mirandee - If Liberals get angry at being called Anti-American a-holes, how do you think it feels to have some shrill cat-in-heat sore loser like Ann Richards actually believe that to be a Republican you have to think people with AIDS deserve the disease.

That list is inflammatory and based on lies..

Oh well, not suprised that you posted something like that from someone of her caliber.

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posted August 25, 2006 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Where does this leave Independents?

Indeed, I would love some insight here too!

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