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DayDreamer
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posted September 21, 2006 12:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venezuelan president calls Bush 'the devil'


Does this mean Bush has joined the axis of evil?? Who's left to battle the evil?


Ian James, The Associated Press
Published: Wednesday, September 20, 2006

UNITED NATIONS -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took his verbal battle with the United States to the floor of the UN General Assembly on Wednesday, calling U.S. President George W. Bush “the devil.”

“The devil came here yesterday,” Chavez said, referring to Bush’s address on Tuesday and making a sign of the cross. “He came here talking as if he were the owner of the world.”

The leftist leader, who has joined Iran and Cuba in opposing U.S. influence, accused Washington of “domination, exploitation and pillage of peoples of the world.”

“We appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our head,” he said.

The main U.S. seat in the assembly hall was empty as Chavez spoke. But there was a “junior note taker” there, as is customary “when governments like that speak,” the U.S. ambassador to the UN said.

Ambassador John Bolton told The Associated Press that Chavez had the right to express his opinion, adding it was “too bad the people of Venezuela don’t have free speech.”

“I’m just not going to comment on this because his remarks just don’t warrant a response,” Bolton said. “Serious people can listen to what he had to say and if they do they will reject it.”

Chavez drew tentative giggles at times from the audience, but also some applause when he called Bush the devil.

Standing at the podium, Chavez quipped that a day after Bush’s appearance: “In this very spot it smells like sulfur still.”

Chavez held up a book by American leftist writer Noam Chomsky, “Hegemony or Survival: America’s Quest for Global Dominance,” and recommended it to everyone in the General Assembly.

He also said the UN in its current system “doesn’t work” and is “antidemocratic.” He called for reform, saying the U.S. government’s “immoral veto” had allowed recent Israeli bombings of Lebanon to continue unabated for more than a month.

He lambasted the U.S. government for trying to block Venezuela’s campaign for a rotating seat on the UN Security Council. He said if chosen over U.S.-favourite Guatemala in a secret-ballot UN vote next month, Venezuela would be “the voice of the Third World.”

The council currently consists of five permanent members with veto power - the United States, Britain, Russia, China and France - and 10 non-permanent members who serve two-year terms and have no power to veto resolutions. The 10 elected members do have the right to propose resolutions, chair committees and hold the rotating council presidency for one-month periods.

Five countries from different regions are elected every year by the General Assembly to replace five retiring ones.

The U.S. government warns that Chavez, a close ally of Iran, Syria and Cuba, would be a disruptive force on the council.

“The imperialists see extremists everywhere. No, we aren’t extremists,” Chavez said in his speech. “What’s happening is the world is waking up.” He said many in the world now subscribe to the battle cry: “Yankee empire, go home!”

Holding a rotating Security Council seat would bring Chavez a higher profile and a platform to challenge the United States on its stances in regions from the Middle East to Latin America.

The campaign is shaping up to be a formidable diplomatic test for Chavez, gauging his ability to lobby head-to-head against the United States.

In the past few months, Chavez has crisscrossed the globe collecting promises of support, visiting about a dozen countries including Russia, Belarus, Iran, Vietnam, Qatar, Mali, Benin, China, Malaysia and Syria. His diplomats have also been busy, while top Guatemalan officials and U.S. diplomats also have been doing their own lobbying.

Chavez said he has the solid backing of the Caribbean Community, the Arab League, Russia, China and much of Africa, in addition to his allies across South America.

But winning a Security Council seat requires a two-thirds majority - 128 out of 192 UN members - and Guatemala says it has 90 votes secured. If neither side wins the necessary two-thirds, there could be more rounds of lobbying and voting next month, possibly followed by a search for an alternate candidate.

Chavez, in his drive to counter U.S. influence around the globe, is practising a unique “diplomacy for show” that thrives on protagonism and confrontation, said Milos Alcalay, who was Chavez’s UN ambassador until he resigned in 2004 amid differences with the government.

“A post for non-permanent membership in the Security Council has never been so politicized,” Alcalay said. If Venezuela manages to win the seat, “it will be a rock in the shoe of the United States” and any other countries Chavez differs with, he said.

The Venezuelan leader, a close friend and admirer of Cuba’s communist leader Fidel Castro, has sought to be a voice for poor countries and has warned that if the United States tries to block UN reform, Venezuela and others may eventually create a separate “United Nations of the south” to rival a body they no longer find democratic.

Chavez also said it might eventually be necessary to move the UN headquarters out of the United States.

Dozens gathered in a downtown square in Caracas to watch Chavez on a large-screen TV. The crowd broke into applause during some of his harsher criticisms of the U.S.


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posted September 21, 2006 01:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the man has got some balls....balls of steel....hes just saying what everyone is thinking(globally)....

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posted September 21, 2006 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, dozens in his own country agree with Hugo Chavez.

"Dozens gathered in a downtown square in Caracas to watch Chavez on a large-screen TV. The crowd broke into applause during some of his harsher criticisms of the U.S."

Now I lay me down to sleep
my bodyguards kneedeep at my feet

CHAVEZ FLEES NYC; CUTS TRIP SHORT AFTER 'DEVIL' SPEECH
Thu Sep 21 2006 08:21:15 ET

Fiery Venezuela President Hugo Chavez will 'wrap up' his controversial NYC visit early this morning to return home to Caracas, sources say.

The president cancelled several appointments previously scheduled in NYC today including a second news conference he was to hold at Venezuela's United Nations mission.

On Wednesday, Chavez, in a controversial speech in the UN General Assembly, mocked President George Bush repeatedly calling him 'The Devil'.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

Pressing business back home, no doubt!

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posted September 21, 2006 10:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Called him the Devil, huh?

Gosh! I wonder why he would do that?

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posted September 21, 2006 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, that's right Rainbow; you're one of those here who posted pictures of Bush depicted as Satan, as the devil...aren't you?

Should I go look up those pictures Rainbow?

Tell me Rainbow.

Why do you continue to claim you're not a leftist..when you absolutely toe the leftist line, post their bullsh*t, take the leftist side on every issue..including the communists Saddam Hussein and Hugo Chavez..never spoke out against the murderous treatment meted out by Saddam to Iraqi citizens, or the murderous treatment meted out by Kim Jong Il to North Korean citizens..never have had or have a bad word to say about any of the murderous communist dictators...but you're not a leftist....you swooned over petitions circulated by communists, including the impeachment petition put forth by the communist Ramsey Clark, supported the so called peace marches put on by the communists of International ANSWER..a communist front organization of the Workers World Party...but, you're not a leftist.

Don't make me laugh!

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posted September 21, 2006 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Hugo Chavez, fascist communist dictator calls Bush the Devil and leftists cheer. Not only leftists but terrorists and leaders of terrorist regimes around the world.

Which only proves what I've said in the past.

There is an axis of not only support between the left and terrorists but cooperation and shared goals.

Our leftists cheer when a communist who supports the terrorist regime in Iran, supports the communist dictator in North Korea, supports the communist Fidel Castro and his communist brother, supports the communist narco terrorists of FARC and gives money to terrorist organizations...they cheer when this buffoon communist dictator, a parody of a human being calls Bush the Devil, in a nation of free speech. In Hugo Chavez's own country, he imprisons those who say anything he considers insulting about himself...and our leftists cheer Chavez.

You know, the very same lying brain dead morons who say Bush is about establishing a police state cheer the fascist communist dictator who has established a police state in his own country and who is supporting the terrorist police states of Iran and Syria...our brain dead leftists cheer, Hugo, Hugo, Hugo, Hugo.

And leftists wonder why most of us hold them in utter contempt.

No need for a single leftist to wonder about that any longer. I just told you why.

Dancing with the Devil
By Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 21, 2006

IF NOTHING ELSE CAME OUT OF YESTERDAY’S SPEECH AT THE UN, we now know what is on Venezuelan proto-fascist Hugo Chavez’s reading table.

“Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States,” he said, hoisting the tome aloft at the podium. “I will just leave it as a recommendation.”

His Chomsky citation merely proves what we have been saying at FrontPage Magazine for years: there is an Unholy Alliance of American leftists and anti-Americans worldwide – and the influence runs both ways.

Yesterday, Chavez called for “the immediate suppression – and that is something everyone's calling for – of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.” In his book Failed States, Chomsky counseled America to “give up the Security Council veto.” The book was published as part of the American Empire Project, whose blog commented the Chavez endorsement. (Quite a journalistic “get.” Perhaps his blurb will read, “This is the kind of book I would never burn!”) The blog also asserts, “TERRORISM CAN'T BE DEFEATED – EVER.”

Chomsky’s views are widely shared on the far-Left. His alter ego Howard Zinn has also advocated the “abolition of the Big Power domination of the Security Council, with rotating membership and no veto power.” Both regularly call the veto anti-democratic, and various leftists, quoting their ideological heroes, have parroted the charge.

Now one runs his own country. Chavez’s admiration for MIT’s most conspicuous Marxist is not new; he told ultra-leftist Amy Goodman on her “Democracy Now!” program last September, “I would like very much to shake hands with Chomsky. I've been reading him for a while. I admire him enormously.”

The feeling is mutual. Chomsky has professed his “solidarity with your anti-imperialist politics and with the important social transformations that your government is developing for the well being of the majority of Venezuelans.”

…And the death, imprisonment or harassment of the rest – for those are the outcomes of Chavez’s policies.

Chavez’s literary review drew less coverage than his following lines: “Yesterday the devil came here. Right here.” [Crosses himself.] “And it smells of sulfur still today.” (A speech transcript has been helpfully preserved on Alexander Cockburn’s hate site, Counterpunch.org.)

His use of the sign of the cross was as ironic as it was sacrilegious. After Roman Catholic authorities encouraged the Church Militant to participate in the 2004 election, Mr. Democracy’s response “has been harsh and is designed to intimidate Church officials and sow division within the Church.” Pope Benedict XVI petitioned Chavez to lighten government strictures on Catholic journalists when the two met this June. (Venezuela is more than 90 percent Roman Catholic.)

But Hugo Chavez’s activism goes beyond his humor-impaired UN schtick and his PR stunt of offering low-cost heating oil to the poor and credulous. He may have given $1 million to the Taliban following 9/11; he is believed to be hiding the leader of the revolutionary narcoterrorist gang FARC and providing Venezuelan passports to its members; and he may have allowed Hezbollah activity in the land of Bolivar. The faux populist, who has called himself “very Maoist,” is in or has had alliances with Fidel Castro (who he says is “Christian in the social sense”; he’s certainly made his share of martyrs), the Islamic Republic of Iran, Muammar Qaddafi, and Saddam Hussein. He has also tried to swing a local election for the Nicaraguan Sandinistas.

Like all fascists, he has engaged in a costly militarization, dedicating $3 billion to rearmament. The deal he inked in July with Russia will acquire at least two-dozen Russian fighter planes, 50 assault helicopters, some 100,000 Kalishnikov rifles, and a Kalishnikov manufacturing plant. Additionally, Castro has provided 15,000 “advisors” to train the Great Leader’s “Bolivarian Circles,” a personal military attaché that acts as Chavez’s “Hitler Youth,” private army, and domestic spy agency. (Subjects showing insufficient adoration are denied government services.) North Korean officials visited Caracas more than a year ago, and Pyongyang has but one export (though I’m told its stores rival those of Americus, Georgia).

Internal repression and censorship have followed A report released last month by Freedom House found: “Venezuela's scores have dropped across the board in all four indicators of good governance addressed in the study: accountability and public voice, civil liberties, rule of law, and anti-corruption and transparency. In fact, only Nepal, Zimbabwe, and Nigeria have experienced a greater net change for the worse.”

He has, in fact, cracked down on “disrespect for government authorities” (a crime expressed in language evoking another Western hero: Cartman from “South Park”) and has created a “blacklist of political opponents.”

We’re gratified to know many of the same left-wingers who denounce us as “McCarthyites” support a modern practitioner of the blacklist, that much of the “peace movement” supports a pro-terror militarist, and that the voices of “dissent” cheer heartily for an advocate of censorship and repression.

Chavez’s Marxist economics have led Venezuela down the well-trod path to poverty. The nation is rated “repressed” and ranked #152 in this year’s “Index of Economic Freedom,” saddling the Venezuelan people with a miserable –9.4 percent GDP contraction. Still, more than half its exports come to the United States.

His rhetoric is a hot-selling import on the Left. Cindy Sheehan and Medea Benjamin have met with him. Benjamin’s Global Exchange takes gullible leftists on pilgrimages to the southern, socialist Shangri-la. Thus, yesterday’s speech garnered unsurprisingly praise on the Left – as did that of Iranian President Ahmadinejad. According to one columnist on The Huffington Post, “It would be a big mistake to dismiss their comments as the ravings of mad men when they are only saying what the rest of the world – China, Russia and France on the Security Council as well as countries from Brazil to South Korea – actually thinks.” No wonder Chavez is so popular on the Left; not only does he allow them to believe the rest of the world shares their pretensions, he even played the race card – declaiming President Bush “looks at your color, and he says, 'Oh, there's an extremist.'”

Thus, Chavez and Chomsky made mutual admirations pacts; Osama bin Laden makes allusions to Michael Moore; the Huffington Post legitimizes the ravings of a leftist fascist and an Islamofascist; and the Unholy Alliance grows steadily clearer day-by-day.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=24539

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posted September 21, 2006 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chavez suffers from a radical yet extreme form of a Cranial- Rectal Inversion.

This guy actually has the nerve to call our President the Devil when Chavez has blood in his hands as a result of his ascent to power. He is offering our people a lower cost for oil in Harlem, while his own people suffer.

He has wrecked the Venenzuelan economy- he holds down his own people, after lying about how he will protect him. What an SOB.

Then again, he is just a thorn in our side and his short (and may I emphasize short) comings are becoming more and more exposed.

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posted September 21, 2006 02:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop asks.....

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Yeah, that's right Rainbow; you're one of those here who posted pictures of Bush depicted as Satan, as the devil...aren't you?
Should I go look up those pictures Rainbow?

Tee hee....jwhop....you are such the jokester....(and if not...then you let something go over your head)....

I was sure you would realize that my comment about bush, was tongue-in-cheek.....

Go look for those pictures if you want to (I'll probably even be able to find them) but if you're going to do it because you're trying to "prove" something there is no need to...*sigh*cuz i readily ADMIT I posted the pictures of which you speak....

I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THAT (sort of a) MAN, WHATSOEVER....and I do not stand alone in that position!

Then jwhop went on to say.....

quote:
Tell me Rainbow.
Why do you continue to claim you're not a leftist..when you absolutely toe the leftist line, post their bullsh*t, take the leftist side on every issue

jwhop....I thought I explained that to you already....

I USED to be what one might term a leftist or Democrat or liberal or whatever you might call it, because I thought such a faction EXISTED (same as many, many other sheeple).....but upon further revelations to me via the printed word (which makes total sense to me)....I've come to believe that no such thing exists.....

What appears to be "left" and "right" are all one, and all of the NWO....

Commander Corruption and Daddy Bush have been "best buds" all along...and not just "lately." And why do you suppose that Rupert Murdoch is backing Hillary Rodham Clinton? Now that's kinda funny, looking, isn't it?

They're all in it together...IMO.....

You're free to believe what you like....

There's NO WAY I would ever say that WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS UNACCEPTABLE!

You have the right to believe.....you have the right to think.....

......and so do I - so far...

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posted September 21, 2006 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RANGEL: AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS... 'You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State'...

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If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not.

It should be restricted to americans so we can call them traitors, and unamerican..mhmm

its too bad many people feel like they cant speak....and I mean TRULY speak...theres a lot of unheard voices in america...

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posted September 21, 2006 04:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harkin defends Venezuelan President's U-N speech against Bush

by Darwin Danielson

Iowa Senator Tom Harkin, a democrat, today defended Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's United Nations speech in which Chavez called President George Bush the devil. Harkin said the comments were "incendiary", then went on to say, "Let me put it this way, I can understand the frustration, ah, and the anger of certain people around the world because of George Bush's policies." Harkin continued what has been frequent criticism of the president's foreign policy.

Harkin says Bush came to office saying he wanted a new humility in foreign policy in reaching out to other countries, but Harkin says Bush's actual policy has been heavy handed. Harkin says the anger against Bush is generated from the Iraq war, which Harkin says was "unnecessary."

Harkin says, "We tend to forget that a few days after 9-1-1 thousands, thousands of Iranians marched in a candlelight procession in Teheran in support of the United States. Every Muslim country was basically on our side. Just think, in five years, President Bush has squandered all that." Harkin says the U.S. has put billions of dollars into the Iraq war, when it could be helping poor countries with things like clean water, medical aid and education.

http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=020BFC5A-FA7D-42CC-9BA6A4ED9DA063B8

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posted September 21, 2006 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha.. so funny how a Canadian that hates America jumps on the Harkin Line. LMAO.. so expected of you.. as well as "and".

You are completely welcome to your views- yet funny how the Pope makes a true comment about the violence perpetuated by Islamic extremists to convert (a true statement) makes Christians kindling for angry Muslims around the world - yet we still don't see anyone burning Hispanics on the street because of Chavez..

Then again.. we are more civilized here in the US now aren't we?

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!


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posted September 21, 2006 07:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some more than others....

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I think the man's a big immature blowhard. His psuedo-religious invocation was offensive in the extreme. I know that many people make the sign of the Cross in a casual, offhand sort of way in order to make a point, but to do so in such an environment and under such conditions is just plain wrong.

Are there any statesman left?

"the Devil" Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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posted September 21, 2006 08:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Charles B. Rangel

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....AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS...
'You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State'...

I saw Rangel making that little speech on TV, and when he was through, the first thing out of my mouth was,"I DO NOT AGREE!"

I was NOT offended at all if Chavez offended our "chief-of-state." In fact it was pretty embarrassing that he was pretty much spot on (in my opinion)!

And yes last time I looked I was still entitled to my opinion - (so far!)


......and Rangel is entitled to his, as well....so far....

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Tink, I have to agree with you completely.

I would also like to add that I'm disturbed by the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality I have seen on here lately.

Just because you don't support the President or the war (and I am not a fan of the war, myself) doesn't mean you should support everyone who opposes the President, no matter what their character or lack thereof may be.

So all someone has to do is call President Bush a few names and they are your hero?
I wouldn't be so easy to impress. Do some background work on the person you are giving a thumbs up and you might want to rethink your support.

I just don't think you can be anti-war based on humanitarian beliefs and then support someone who is totally lacking in them.

There should be certain standards of conduct when coming into another country. It's like visiting someone's family. I might have a crazy uncle that I talk about but don't you come into my home and insult my family as an outsider!

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posted September 22, 2006 12:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who's taking sides?

People just are happy that someone had the guts to poke at Bush on the UN platform.

I dont know enough about Chavez to support him, all I know is that I definitely do not support Bush.

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You know.....I would be a total hypocrite if I said I agreed with the following by Rangel...

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........ do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State'...

Why should I defend someone whom I DO NOT consider my president??? If I pretended I was all offended by it (just because he happens to be the faux prez of my country) I would be a total liar!

It's my opinion that g w bush stole both of the elections that put him in office, so I don't recognize him as my president, therefore NO ONE insulted my president!

Also, just because I wasn't offended by what Chavez had to say, does NOT mean that I support him! It means that when he spoke of bush he had so much right about the (almost) man! Things that a lot of people right here in this country think about him....

I think he's dangerous and have thought so for a long time...He has stopped drinking, so they say, but I don't think he follows any 12 step program in his supposed "recovery" from alcoholism...

AA people will tell you that alcoholics who quit drinking "without a program to follow i.e the 12 step recovery program" are "dry drunks" and are just as ornery and goofy as when they were still drinking.....I think the psychiratrist who wrote the book about him, brought that up too....

All anybody has to do is watch gw when he's making one of his "speeches" on TV, and it's perfectly obvious that he's a VERY angry man (particularly when someone questions his actions) just daring you to knock the chip off his shoulder!


Sometimes he looks like he's going to EXPLODE!!!!!

HE DOES NOT LIKE TO BE THWARTED OR QUESTIONED!!!

How DARE anyone question a king's actions? That's UNACCEPTABLE!

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Just because you don't support the President or the war (and I am not a fan of the war, myself) doesn't mean you should support everyone who opposes the President, no matter what their character or lack thereof may be.

So all someone has to do is call President Bush a few names and they are your hero?
I wouldn't be so easy to impress. Do some background work on the person you are giving a thumbs up and you might want to rethink your support.


ditto ditto ditto

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posted September 22, 2006 12:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I repeat:

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just because I wasn't offended by what Chavez had to say [about bush], does NOT mean that I support him!

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I believe Chavez also made a comment about bush being "an ex-alcoholic."

From what I understand about alcholism, there is no such thing as an "ex-alcoholic!"

Once an alcoholic - always an alcoholic!

There are however, "recovering alcoholics" who do not drink anymore and stay sober day by day, following the 12 step recovery program.

...and it's not easy for an addicted person to do...so many struggle with the daily process of just trying to stay sober.

From what I understand "the program" is essential for the "peace" and change of behavior that is needed in the recovery process.

Sobriety WITHOUT the program does not give one the peace of mind, so essential for a real recovery....*sigh*...

(didn't mean to get off on a tangent!)

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"I was NOT offended at all if Chavez offended our "chief-of-state." In fact it was pretty embarrassing that he was pretty much spot on (in my opinion)! "

Of course you weren't Rainbow - You would support Satan himself if he spoke out against the President.

Mystic and Tink have it right. One should do their homework before backing up a person for the sole reason of stating their hatred of our President.

Look into Chavez's background and see the atrocities that he has commited against his own people. But I suppose that doesn't matter to some people.

Some info on the guy that few here think had the "guts to voice his opinion"

Chávez made extensive preparations for a military coup d'état.[13] Initially planned for December, Chávez delayed the MBR-200 coup until the early twilight hours of February 4, 1992. On that date, five army units under Chávez's command barreled into urban Caracas with the mission of assaulting and overwhelming key military and communications installations throughout the city, including the Miraflores presidential palace, the defense ministry, La Carlota military airport, and the Historical Museum. Chávez's ultimate goal was to intercept and take custody of Pérez, who was returning to Miraflores from an overseas trip.

As the coup unfolded, the coup plotters were unable to capture Pérez: fourteen soldiers were killed, and 50 soldiers and some 80 civilians injured in the ensuing violence.[16] Nevertheless, rebel forces in other parts of Venezuela made advances and were ultimately able to take control of such large cities as Valencia, Maracaibo, and Maracay with the help of spontaneous civilian aid. Chávez's forces, however, had failed to take Caracas.[17]

Chávez, alarmed, soon gave himself up to the government. He was then allowed to appear on national television to call for all remaining rebel detachments in Venezuela to cease hostilities. When he did so, Chávez famously quipped on national television that he had only failed "por ahora"—"for the moment."[18]


After a two-year imprisonment, Chávez was pardoned by President Rafael Caldera in 1994. Upon his release, Chávez reconstituted the MBR-200 as the Fifth Republic Movement

Controversially, foreign banks—including Spain's Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria (BBVA) and Banco Santander (BSCH), each the owner of one of Venezuela's largest banks—illicitly funneled millions of dollars into Chávez's campaign.[23][24]

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So far we see this man is a criminal, a misguided narcissist and extorted money from various banking institutions (YEAH.. I can see how someone would want to rally around him).

Chávez took the presidential oath of office on February 2, 1999 with a mandate to reverse Venezuela's economic decline and strengthen the role of the state in the economy. Chávez's first few months in office were dedicated primarily to dismantling what his supporters deemed puntofijismo via new legislation and constitutional reform, while his secondary focus was on immediately allocating more government funds to new social programs.

**** These programs bankrupted the country... leaving more people without the care they needed...

Consequently, in April 1999 Chávez set his eyes upon the one Venezuelan institution that was costly for the government but did little for the systematic social development that Chávez desired: the military. Chávez ordered all branches of the military to devise programs to combat poverty and to further civic and social development in Venezuela's vast slum and rural areas. This civilian-military program was launched as "Plan Bolivar 2000," whose scope included road building, housing construction, and mass vaccination. The plan faltered at the end of 2001 amid revelations of corruption by military officers, including both military officers who later rebelled against the president in April 2002 and officers linked to the president.[26]


However, although Chávez wished to promote the redistribution of wealth, increased regulation, and social spending, he did not wish to discourage foreign direct investment (FDI). In keeping with his predecessors, Chávez attempted to shore up FDI influxes to prevent an economic crisis of chronic capital flight and inflation.


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This idiot also drafted and instituted legislation that increased his term of presidency (instead of 1 5yr term he can serve TWO 6 years terms) and he gave himself more power - can you say DICTATOR?

Oh and wait there is more....


We sit here and blame Bush for Katrina.. but let's see what El Diablo Chavez himself did for his people when he knew the rains where coming...

On December 15 1999, after weeks of heavy rain, statewide mudslides claimed the lives of an estimated 30,000 people. Critics claim Chávez was distracted by the referendum and that the government ignored a civil defense report, calling for emergency measures, issued the day the floods struck.

THIRTY THOUSAND PEOPLE.....


Yeah.. great guy....

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!


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posted September 22, 2006 03:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why is it necessary to repeat this AGAIN?????

Can't people read, for crying out loud???

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just because I wasn't offended by what Chavez had to say [about bush], does NOT mean that I support him!

I'm NOT supporting ANYONE!

I'm just NOT UPSET because he talked about bush!

A narly background ....doesn't change in the least what he said about "the decider," because as far as I'm concerned he had it right!...and lord knows I'm not the only American living here in the United States of America, who thinks so...

AND I HAVE NOT SAID THAT I SUPPORT CHAVEZ....BUT I DO AGREE WITH HIS OPINION OF BUSH!

Duh!

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PS......

....in answer to this question from Pid.....

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This idiot also drafted and instituted legislation that increased his term of presidency (instead of 1 5yr term he can serve TWO 6 years terms) and he gave himself more power - can you say DICTATOR?

I don't know which is worse, Pid...Chavez increasing his term of presidency or bush STEALING two elections in a row.....not to mention all the power that he has given himself...

Yes I CAN say DICTATOR!

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posted September 22, 2006 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is obvious that comprehension skills are severely lacking. I will refrain from a response as my original post was obviously not understood.

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