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pidaua
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posted October 31, 2006 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kerry said in a speech "Then he said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

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FLASH: McCain Calls On Kerry To Apologize
Tue Oct 31 2006 11:43:14 ET

Senator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education. Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night. Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks.


The American Legion Responds:

American Legion to Sen. Kerry: Apologize Now
Oct 31 8:49 AM US/Eastern

INDIANAPOLIS, Oct. 31 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The National Commander of The American Legion called on Sen. John Kerry to apologize for suggesting that American troops in Iraq are uneducated.

"As a constituent of Senator Kerry's I am disappointed. As leader of The American Legion, I am outraged," said National Commander Paul A. Morin. "A generation ago, Sen. Kerry slandered his comrades in Vietnam by saying that they were rapists and murderers. It wasn't true then and his warped view of today's heroes isn't true now."

While addressing a group of college students at a campaign rally in Pasadena, CA., Monday, Kerry suggested that they receive an education or "if you don't, you'll get stuck in Iraq."

"While The American Legion shares the senator's appreciation for education, the troops in Iraq represent the most sophisticated, technologically superior military that the world has ever seen," Morin said. "I think there is a thing or two that they could teach most college professors and campus elitists about the way the world works.

"And while we are on the topic of education, why doesn't the senator and his comrades in Congress improve the GI Bill so all of today's military members - reserves and guard included - can achieve the educational aspirations that the senator so highly values?" Morin said. "The senator's false and outrageous attack was over-the-top and he should apologize now."

AMVETS:

AMVETS Calls on Senator to Apologize to Troops
Oct 31 10:54 AM US/Eastern

LANHAM, Md., Oct. 31 /U.S. Newswire/ -- AMVETS' National Commander expressed disbelief and disappointment in the comments by Senator John Kerry Monday.

“For the Senator to suggest that today’s United States military is made up of uneducated men and women who didn’t ‘study hard’ or ‘make an effort to be smart’ is ridiculous and appalling,” AMVETS National Commander Thomas C. McGriff said Tuesday. “The men and women in uniform today make up the most advanced, highly-educated force ever seen. To suggest otherwise is a slap in the face to every soldier, sailor, airman, Marine and Coast Guardsman who has spent countless hours working to better him or herself. This is also an insult to every person and organization who has worked tirelessly to provide our troops and their families with education benefits.

“Senator Kerry should retract his remarks and apologize immediately,” McGriff said after listening to comments made by Senator Kerry at a political rally in Pasadena, Calif., Monday. “It is especially outrageous coming from a member of the U.S. Senate.”

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A leader since 1944 in preserving the freedoms secured by America's Armed Forces, AMVETS is the only veterans service organization that represents members of every branch of the military, including the National Guard and Reserve. AMVETS provides support for veterans and the active military in procuring their earned entitlements as well as community services that enhance veterans’ quality of life. More information on AMVETS can be found at http://www.amvets.org.

Media organizations seeking further comment or more information should contact the AMVETS National Headquarters by calling 301-683-4035.

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Kerry is another example of an idiot leftest that states the same lie again and again hoping it will magically turn into proof. The US Military census is on par with the US population census. I have posted stats again and again demonstrating that those men and women that join the Military have a much higher rate of graduating from college than people from their own background that did not join the service.

Kerry words were insensitive and offbase.

So far a live pole indicates the following:

Were Sen. John Kerry's remarks linking education to the war in Iraq appropriate? * 56760 responses

Yes; the military has long been a step up for those with less education.
25%

No; the comments implied that service members are not intelligent.
55%

They were misinterpreted or taken out of context.
20%

The live vote is on this site http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15499174/?GT1=8618


Kerry is the best thing to happen for Republicans and I hope more from his clan keep coming out and p1ssing off the majority of American's. We'll sure see it in the elections next week now won't we? LOL

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posted November 01, 2006 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Certainly no one is blaming this "botched joke" on the Democrats (or anyone else) as it is non partisan proof that John "Mr. Hines" Kerry
is a buffoon of the lowest order.


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posted November 01, 2006 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Kerry's brain dead remarks are being hotly defended in democrat circles...including the brain dead leftist democrat dot com site which is one of the sources of Mirandee's utterly erroneous posts. http://www.democrats.com/blog/6?page=5

Further, this is not the first time Kerry has ripped the US military. Who could forget his lying testimony in front of the US Senate Committee?

More recently, Kerry accused our troops in Iraq of terrorizing women and children. Seems Kerry was outraged that US forces were conducting searches of homes looking for terrorists who actually blow up Iraqi women and children with car bombs, truck bombs and explosive vests or who open up on Iraqi civilians...including women and children...with automatic weapons.

Democrats who are trying to distance themselves from Kerry's idiotic remarks are those democrats running for election or reelection in close House and Senate races....and those with at least 2 brain cells to rub together who realize this puts the proper defining face on the democrat party.

John Kerry: The Face of Untrustworthy Democrats
Lowell Ponte
Wednesday, Nov. 1, 2006


"I apologize to no one," snarled Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, the failed 2004 Democratic Party presidential standard-bearer, as he struggled on Halloween to remove the foot he had once again stuffed into his own mouth.

(Having grown up speaking French in an elite private Swiss boarding school, the haughty Mr. Kerry probably was tempted to invoke the Edith Piaf theme song of post-Nazi-collaborationist France: Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien, "I regret nothing.")

Kerry's latest faux pas came during a campaign appearance in Southern California. "You know," he told a group of college students, "education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

President George W. Bush promptly called Kerry's remarks "insulting and shameful" and said that America's soldiers in Iraq deserve an apology. Former Navy pilot and Vietnam Prisoner of War Senator John McCain of Arizona called on Kerry to apologize.

Mr. Kerry responded by claiming his bizarre statement was "a botched joke about the president and the president's people," intended to impugn President Bush, not our troops, for lack of diligence and intelligence.

Kerry, who aspires to be the Democratic presidential candidate again in 2008 (after being outsmarted and beaten in 2004 by Bush) now says, in effect, that he was merely implying he is smarter and better educated than the President.

The facts show otherwise. Both Kerry and Bush attended Yale University, but Bush got slightly better grades than Kerry. Bush then earned a Harvard MBA.

During the Vietnam War, both Naval officer Kerry and Air National Guardsman Bush took military intelligence tests. These tests measured Bush's I.Q. a few points higher than Kerry's. (Kerry, a lifelong master at excuses, claims this happened only because he had been drinking heavily the night before he took the test, which itself shows a profound lack of intelligence.)

Kerry's pretensions of being a military hero were dashed by truth-telling Swift Boat veterans who served with him in Vietnam.

Kerry's anti-war activism made him a darling of the anti-American Left. But Kerry's lies about his fellow soldiers, used as leftwing propaganda, encouraged his new comrades to keep fighting. Kerry thus prolonged the Vietnam War, and this killed thousands more Americans.

Kerry's accusation that our troops in Iraq are "terrorizing" people has given aid and comfort to our Islamo-fascist enemies. Kerry's attacks encourage Islamists to keep up their own bloody "Tet offensive," killing Americans to tilt our elections to the cut-and-run Democratic Party.

Ironically, Kerry modeled himself and his career path on President John F. Kennedy. But Kennedy committed the first 17,000 armed U.S. troops into a Vietnam War Kerry sought fame by opposing.

Kerry continues to prate that President Bush should either have avoided Iraq or committing far more military force there. But the liberal press has taken care not to mention Kerry's hypocrisy. Senator Kerry, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, voted to authorize Mr. Bush's actions but then voted against the supplemental appropriation to supply our troops with sufficient weapons, body armor and other necessities.

During the 2004 campaign Kerry was caught on camera telling one audience that he had voted for the war before he voted against it. He was and is, therefore, the perfect poster boy for untrustworthy Democratic leadership.

As a newly elected United States Senator from the nation's most liberal state, Kerry rushed to Nicaragua to embrace Marxist dictator Daniel Ortega days before Ortega flew to Moscow to pledge his allegiance to the Soviet Union.

But despite Kerry's long service as a rubber stamp second vote for his state's senior Democratic Senator Edward M. Kennedy, he has been a failure as a lawmaker. No landmark piece of legislation or policy achievement carries Kerry's name.

Senator Kerry chaired rigged hearings in 1991 to give Communist Vietnam a clean bill of health concerning American POWs, ending U.S. efforts to free any who remained, and this opened the way for companies to do business with that dictatorship. A year later, Communist Vietnam awarded a contract worth almost a billion dollars to John F. Kerry's cousin and his company.

If Democrats win control of the U.S. Senate on November 7, capitalism-hating Kerry would likely become chairman of the Small Business and Entrepreneurship Committee where he is now Ranking Democrat. He might also become chair of Senate subcommittees on Oceans, Fisheries, and the Environment (overseeing Global Warming) and on East Asian and Pacific Affairs (overseeing U.S. policy towards China, North Korea, Japan and Taiwan, among other nations).

Kerry's only significant life achievement, and the source of his political status, is that he seduced two incredibly wealthy women into marrying him. The first, a Massachusetts Brahmin, he courted at her family's palatial villa in Italy. He separated from her but continued to live on her money. Kerry then found an even richer wife, the African-born heiress to her deceased Republican Pennsylvania Senator husband's Heinz ketchup fortune of more than half a billion dollars.

When in private, John and Teresa Heinz Kerry reportedly speak French, not English. A globalist, Kerry once told a grieving mother to be proud her American soldier son had died while, at President Bill Clinton's orders, wearing the blue beret of the United Nations.

In 2004, backed with truckloads of cash from his wife and from a front man for the theocratic, nuclear-weapon-seeking rulers of oil-rich Iran, Kerry came close to being elected President.

The good news about Mr. Kerry's latest slip of his forked tongue is twofold. It has probably eliminated any chance that he could be re-nominated or elected President in 2008. And, as he selfishly put his own ego and ambition above the interests of his party, Senator Kerry's contemptuous remarks about our soldiers and President reminded the American people just how loony Left today's Democratic Party has become.

Haughty John Kerry may have cost his party one or both houses of Congress on November 7.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/11/1/84207.shtml

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posted November 01, 2006 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's 3 democrats who don't want Kerry's remarks to confuse voters....who might get it right and come to the conclusion that Kerry is representative of the leftist cut and run, denigrate the troops, demoScat party.

Wednesday, Nov. 1, 2006 11:21 a.m. EST
Ford, Tester, Cardin Want Kerry Apology


A few Democratic candidates joined Republicans Wednesday in pressing John Kerry to apologize for a comment critics said appeared disrespectful of U.S. troops as several Kerry campaign appearances were canceled.


"Whatever the intent, Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said," said Democratic Rep. Harold Ford Jr., running for Senate in Tennessee.

"Sen. Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid," said Montana Senate President Jon Tester, a Democrat trying to unseat GOP Sen. Conrad Burns. "He owes our troops and their families an apology."


"I'm sorry he did what he did. But I think the issue . . . we want to make sure it doesn't confuse the subject of the war in Iraq," Democratic Rep. Ben Cardin, running for Senate in Maryland, said on CNN.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11/1/112342.shtml?s=ic

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posted November 01, 2006 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"Sen. Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid," said Montana Senate President Jon Tester, a Democrat trying to unseat GOP Sen. Conrad Burns. "He owes our troops and their families an apology."



Regardless of ones political affilliation, Kerry`s buffoonery is evident and demoralizing to this Country!

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posted November 01, 2006 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Juni and not only that but Kerry's remarks are the very best evidence possible as proof Kerry should never be President of the United States.

He thinks he deserves a second chance

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posted November 01, 2006 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TROUBLESPEAK
U.S. troops mock senator: 'We R Stuck Hear N Irak'
Bush flays Kerry, Democrats: 'They have no plan for victory'
Posted: November 1, 2006
1:49 p.m. Eastern

WorldNetDaily.com


As a national uproar continues over comments by Sen. John Kerry suggesting American troops were lazy and not bright, President Bush is hammering Kerry and fellow Democrats for their lack of strategy for winning the war in Iraq, while troops themselves are mocking Kerry.


Photo of U.S. troops in Iraq making fun of John Kerry's comments publicized on the Drudge Report


In a photo published on the Drudge Report, soldiers were shown holding a banner with intentional misspellings reading: "Halp Us Jon Carry – We R Stuck Hear N Irak."

"My problem with many of the Democrat voices in Washington is they have no plan for victory," Bush told talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh today. "I believe responsible leaders must come up with a plan for victory in order to achieve peace, and yet the only plan I hear is, one: let's get out of Iraq before the job is done – which would be a disaster for a future generation of Americans."

Bush pointed out that different from previous wars, "if you leave the battle, the enemy follows us home to America."


President Bush

"That's one of the reasons why we will win in Iraq. I repeat: the only reason we could lose in Iraq is if we leave, and, therefore, we've got kids sacrificing in Iraq, and when they hear politicians say, 'Get out before the job is done,' that's discouraging to them, and it's discouraging to the Iraqis, and it's encouraging to the enemy. That's why my voice is so loud in saying to our troops: 'What you're doing is noble and important and you're going to win and history will look back and thank you for your sacrifices.'"

Bush's remarks come one day after a furor erupted over a statement by Kerry who told students at Pasadena City College in Southern California: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq. ..."

While the former presidential nominee later referred to his comment as a "botched joke," it came under immediate fire from the White House, where press secretary Tony Snow called it an "absolute insult."

"Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who've given their lives in this."

Kerry hit back at the White House in a statement, charging it's the president and his administration who owe U.S. troops an apology because they "misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it."

"This is the classic GOP playbook," Kerry said. "I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium."

But with a growing firestorm of criticism, Kerry held press conference yesterday in Seattle where he was campaigning for Democrat candidates. The senator said he would not apologize, calling his comment a "botched joke about the president and the president's people, not about the troops."

"Let me make it crystal clear, as crystal clear as I know how," Kerry said. "I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and his broken policy. If anyone owes our troops in the fields an apology, it is the president and his failed team."

Limbaugh told Bush, "Frankly, Mr. President, the American people are outraged by this because John Kerry is just the latest. This is not the first."

Bush answered:


Anybody who is in a position to serve this country ought to understand the consequences of words, and our troops deserve the full support of people in government. People here may not agree with my decision. I understand that. But what I don't understand is any diminution of their sacrifice. We've got incredible people in our military, and they deserve full praise and full support of this government. Secondly, what they deserve is a plan for victory, and we have a plan for victory. Our victory, as you know, is really to help the Iraqis win, to help the 12 million people, to help Iraq realize the dreams of 12 million people who voted. To help the political process and help the security process and help the economic process and we're doing just that. It's not easy work, because there's an enemy that still tries to derail the process. They're trying to foment sectarian violence, and on the other hand it's necessary work.
Kerry, meanwhile has canceled some personal campaign appearances for other Democrats today, while some candidates in his own party are asking for an apology.

'Terrorizing' Iraqi children

Kerry angered many in the military last December with remarks in an interview with CBS "Face the Nation" host Bob Schieffer, accusing U.S. soldiers of "terrorizing" Iraqi children.


John Kerry testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971.

"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the – of – the historical customs, religious customs," Kerry said. "Whether you like it or not ... Iraqis should be doing that."

Those remarks reminded many Americans of Kerry's most controversial testimony before the nation in 1970, when he was a returning Vietnam vet calling for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces in that conflict.

He told senators about hearings he helped organize among disenchanted Vietnam war vets in which accusations of atrocities by U.S. troops were recounted.

"They told stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country," he said.

'Insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed'

Responding to the "stuck in Iraq" comment, Sen. John McCain, a POW in Vietnam and potential rival to Kerry in the 2008 presidential election, said in a statement the senator "owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education."

"Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere," McCain said.

The Arizona Republican said the "suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night."

"Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks," McCain concluded.

Sen. David Vitter, R-La., fired off a letter to Kerry today, calling the comment "truly despicable and offensive."

"It's a slap in the face of all of our intelligent, dedicated, brave men," Vitter wrote. " ... They aren't stupid, uneducated, or lazy. They're heroes. And they deserve your immediate apology."

The national commander of the American Legion also has called on Kerry to apologize.

"As a constituent of Senator Kerry's, I am disappointed. As leader of the American Legion, I am outraged," said Paul A. Morin. "A generation ago, Sen. Kerry slandered his comrades in Vietnam by saying that they were rapists and murderers. It wasn't true then and his warped view of today's heroes isn't true now."

Last year, the Heritage Foundation published a study titled, "Debunking the myth of the underprivileged soldier," which said "the typical recruit in the all-volunteer force is wealthier, more educated and more rural than the average 18- to 24-year-old citizen is."

For every two recruits coming from the poorest neighborhoods, the study said, "there are three recruits coming from the richest neighborhoods."
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posted November 01, 2006 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All I can say is that this guy is truly a moron.

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jwhop,

I just saw that picture and cracked up like mad!!! LOL... I think the picture and the caption says exactly how the Soldiers feel.

Kerry cannot explain away his comments by stating it was merely a joke on Bush. Men and Women enlist in the Military to serve their country. Kerry basically ridiculed those people that join by indicated they are mentally incapable of doing anything else, therefore they join and are possibly sent to combat (which is especially derogatory to those that joined after 9-11 knowing they would be putting themselves in a position of potential combat).

Kerry has no idea what he is talking about and he sure as hell isn't funny. The guy has a deep hatred for the Military which has been evident in his career.

The actual stats are as follows:

On Wednesday, the Department of Defense released education level rates for enlisted forces and officers. In the four branches of the Armed Forces, 97.5 percent of commissioned officers graduated college. Of warranted officers, 28. 6 percent graduated college and 82.9 percent of the Army, Navy and Marine Corps completed some college. The U.S. Air Force does not have warranted officers. Among the enlisted servicemen, 99 percent graduated high school, and 11.4 percent completed some college.

There are more high school graduates in the Military than the National average (99% to 88% of American's 18-44 with a HS degree or GED)

It makes me sick that Kerry can actually makes statements like this and some people defend him. And your right, that is why he will never be President.

How sad for our Soldiers.

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I was actually listening to this one the news and I was appalled that the news media, and republican campaigners would dillute Kerry's words into something he never meant. If you listen to it in context, before he made the statement about "ones who don't do their homework will get stuck in iraq", he was talking about current President Bush living in the State of Denial, so inside the chronological context of his words, i believe he meant that Bush's ethnocintricity and inferior knowledge of the foreign is what got us stuck in Iraq. I believe thats what he meant, does anyone else agree?

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Sorry..I don't know how to make it smaller.. I will try.

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I was actually listening to this one the news and I was appalled that the news media, and republican campaigners would dillute Kerry's words into something he never meant. If you listen to it in context, before he made the statement about "ones who don't do their homework will get stuck in iraq", he was talking about current President Bush living in the State of Denial, so inside the chronological context of his words, i believe he meant that Bush's ethnocintricity and inferior knowledge of the foreign is what got us stuck in Iraq. I believe thats what he meant, does anyone else agree?

Yes, I was having this discussion this morning with a friend, and I agree. The republicans will pull anything out of their a-- at this point, look at the numbers. I dont think Kerry meant it the way it came out(mercury retrograde?) I think theyre playing semantics at this point, and most are too dense to "get it", so it'll work on some level. The media has a way of twisting the truth for ratings. For the record, I cant stand Kerry, and wish he'd leave politics all together. Hes one of the problems with politics.

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YAY... finally a word of defense from the brainwashed LEFT. OMG... I wondered which among you leftest apologists would be stupid enough to defend this raging jerkwad when even his own party is running scared from him. Well, with the exception of those radical leftests that don't have a clue.

The difference between you and I "and" is that when someone from my party makes a disparaging remark, screws with an underage kid or steals to make him / herself rich at the expense of others, I am the first to chastize them. YOU and others like you, will defend even the most heinous statements and actions.

Ick... I'd hate to be in your brain.


Neptune,

No one distorted what John Kerry said. Regardless of his political affiliation the man is hell bent against the Military and any war. He has a past record of this type of hate speech towards the Military and I doubt he will change any time soon. He deserves everything he is getting because he DID mean it in the context that he stated it. If not, he would have apoligized immediately. I believe he was hoping to play to a crowd that would welcome his rhetoric.

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Im not defending what you THINK HE SAID. No, I said I dont think he meant it the way he did. Once again, youre twisting my words the way youre twisting Kerrys.

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Sen. Clinton visits Kingston, says Kerry should apologize

November 01, 2006
Kingston -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, speaking at a Kingston campaign stop this morning, joined the chorus of Democrats criticizing Sen. John Kerry for what the former presidential candidate has called a joke gone awry.

“What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate,” she said.

Asked if Kerry should apologize, President Bush and other members of both parties have said, Clinton said “I heard he said he was sorry.”
Clinton tried to deflect attention from the controversy by saying “elections are about the future,” and “we don’t have to be re-fighting the 2004 election, as much as President Bush would like that.”

McCaskill campaign: Kerry should apologize for comments

Claire McCaskill's campaign called on Sen. John Kerry to apologize for a "botched joke" he made on Monday.

"[McCaskill] said it's a dumb thing to say and he should apologize," said McCaskill spokeswoman Adrainne Marsh.

Kerry sparked a firestorm at Pasadena City College when he said, "You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't you get stuck in Iraq."

Earlier today Kerry said on the Don Imus program that he was "sorry about a botched joke. You think I love botched jokes?"

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Imus tells Kerry to "just stop talking"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMRecdL_No

So much for the "botched joke" theory.

His words"

He told students if they make the most of their educations, "you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well.

"And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq,"

His explanation:


"Kerry told a hastily arranged news conference in Seattle: "I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and of his broken policy."

But he also said the comment was "a botched joke about the president and the president's people, not about the troops ... and they know that's what I was talking about."


Please someone show me how telling students that if you do not pursue your education you will end up in Iraq is a joke on the President, especially since the President DOES have a higher education...

Please... explain away - I would love to see the lipstick that is used on this pig. LMAO


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I'm not too fond of Kerry either, i just hope he can continously defend himself, because the republicans will keep attacking him with their spite. The fact is, "everyone", the media, the republicans, the citizens of America, knew what he was talking about, knew that he was directing a message about our current president, and this is what is so disgusting about the world, is that they are cowards for not publicly accepting the whole truth, but how can they? lieing has become the norm, especially here in the states. At least the people of Russia acknowledge their enviornment has become dictatorial, ever since the murder of Anna Politkovskaya, but America: oh no, everything is fine here . But it clearly isn't. No wonder America is nicknamed "the superpower" by the international community, they lie compulsivly to boost their egotistical habits.

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posted November 01, 2006 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"and" you are the perfect apologist and I expect everything you say to come out of your mouth. You are the 1% of the population that believes YOU KNOW what he meant- how lucky for you.

Neptune,

The people attacking Kerry are from all walks of life. He MEANT what he said and he has made HORRIBLE comments about the Military. This about this - who are the people that make up the Military, they are our mom's, dad's, brother's and sisters. They are our husband's, our wives, our son's and daughters.

You may not want to see what is real, maybe you feel sorry for him, but I do not. I have a Husband that he just assumed is an idiot because he is in the Military.

Again, I challenge anyone to provide evidence how what Kerry said was actually a botched joke.

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posted November 01, 2006 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again.. here is the actual quote followed by the video sound bite..

Please.. someone explain what he meant by this if it was not an attack on our Soldiers

"He told students if they make the most of their educations, "you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well.

"And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq,"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

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Thanks for clarifying pid,:

quote:
Neptune,

No one distorted what John Kerry said. Regardless of his political affiliation the man is hell bent against the Military and any war. He has a past record of this type of hate speech towards the Military and I doubt he will change any time soon. He deserves everything he is getting because he DID mean it in the context that he stated it. If not, he would have apoligized immediately. I believe he was hoping to play to a crowd that would welcome his rhetoric.

Neptune,

The people attacking Kerry are from all walks of life. He MEANT what he said and he has made HORRIBLE comments about the Military. People for who makes up the Military, they are our mom's, dad's, brother's and sisters. They are our husband's, our wives, our son's and daughters.

You may not want to see what is real, maybe you feel sorry for him, but I do not. I have a Husband that he just assumed is an idiot because he is in the Military.

Again, I challenge anyone to provide evidence how what Kerry said was actually a botched joke


Oh no...i'm sorry pid, at first i did feel sorry for him, but once you clarified that he previously made slandering comments to the military, that does show his fault, i wonder if he apologized for the previous ones. I do always see what is real, and with my mother who was in the military for 20 years, i do sympathize with them. And still Kerry absolutely makes no sense to me, because when i was listening to the news, the MSNBC broadcaster claimed that Kerry had served (in the military). And then again its hard for me to see why logically Kerry would run for president, why sneer about the military when running for Commander & Chief. He makes no real sense to me. He needs something, and it isn't politics.

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posted November 01, 2006 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bear the Leo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard this statement yesterday and I asked some of my fellow Soldiers if they heard what Sen. Kerry said. Some of them did and some of them had not. They were all disgusted and had some choice words for Sen. Kerry.

In today's Army you have to always try to improve yourself by taking college classes or correspondence courses, especially if want to get promoted. The promotions are incredibly competitive and the higher the rank you are working to obtain, the harder it is to meet the requirements. Education is one of the things they actually look at when you start getting into the higher ranks.

On the picture from the website Drudgereport.com - I wanted to point out the actual ranks of the Soldiers holding a sign that they made. My point is to show it isn't just the enlisted folks that feel this way, the Officers do as well.

From left to right: Specialist, Sergeant First Class, Major, Sergeant First Class, Major, Specialist, First Lieutenant, Warrant Officer. http://www.drudgereport.com/

I think he owes everyone in the Military an apology even though I do not think it will be sincere. I truly believe he meant what he said, in the way that he said it or he would never have said it in the first place.

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posted November 01, 2006 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune,

You are 100% right, Kerry did serve in the Military, yet there are some issues with his service. He spent 3 months in Vietnam, won 3 purple hearts, two for self inflicted wounds and one for a scratch. He later came back from Vietnam and bashed on the Soldiers, calling them murderers and making baseless allegations of rape, torture and other atrocities that he said they committed.

I don't think all the people in the Military are without sin. I believe the Military, like society, has degenerates and heroes. The Military does everything possible to expel the degenerates while retaining the good Soldiers. People bash on the Military but they forget the human beings that make up the Military, much like what people do when they bash on the government, corporations or any other entity they hate.

Your mother is to be commended. It is not always easy for a woman to be a Military.

Please don't think I was picking on you. I understand that you like to look at all sides before putting someone on the hot-plate. I hope you never lose that empathy.

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oh don't worry pid, no need for the "semi-apology", but thanks again.

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posted November 01, 2006 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, it wasn't an apology- if I wanted to apologize I would have said "sorry"

How am I supposed to keep up my evil, hateful, bitter, bimbo, angry b1tch, etc... reputation if I start staying sorry to people LOL....

To quote the great Napolean Dynamite "GAWSHHHHHH"

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quote:
How am I supposed to keep up my evil, hateful, bitter, bimbo, angry b1tch, etc... reputation if I start staying sorry to people LOL....

Pid, LOL... Damn, girl!

How about book smart and street smart The above words: "hateful, bitter, bimbo, angry b1tch" nah... they're just hating on you(hee hee, I haven't use that since high school)

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posted November 02, 2006 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hee hee Silverstone Happy B-day, in case you didn't see it in your B-day thread

I love my reputation, although I did have to chuckle at the bimbo remark LMAO... I have been called many things but insecure people but bimbo was never one of them. Someone has been watching too many shows from the 70's.

How are things going? Did you do anything special for your birthday.

PS... love the poem

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