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Bear the Leo

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From: Germany
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posted December 02, 2006 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bear the Leo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To show just portions of this thread are not even close to showing compassion which is what pidaua (my wife) did on the Rainbow thread in the FFA forum. She has even tried to make peace more than a couple times here and all you folks can do is still attack and blame her for and during this tragic event. It isnt her fault. It does take two to tango be it loving, arguing, or fighting.

I know for fact all of your accusations of pidaua are false and incorrect especially about editing her posts. It is a time to have compassion for the ones we love and hold dear to us. I hope you all can focus your emotions on helping ginny recover instead of attacking and blaming everyone else.

Pidaua and my hearts go out to ginny and hope she has a speedy recovery. Here is the post my wife posted in FFA in case anyone hasnt seen it.

"To Rainbow,
I know we have had our differences, truth be told there is something that I admire about you. You have the strength of our people behind you and I know you will pull through this.

My heart and prayers are with you, although it may not mean much. You and I are similiar in our love for our family, which makes me respect you even more.

I know you will get through this because we still have more to fight about

As much as we have fought, as much as we have gone through to lose you grandmother would hurt all of Linda Land.

I am very sorry if I have hurt you, I do respect you and the Little River Ottawa tribe. I will burn sage for you tonight in the hope that you will feel the strength of my ancestors.

Blessed be, pidaua"

Even after this Mirandee posted on this.

"Lotus, Maybe it was Pidaua's negativity and her constant remarks about Ginny having brain damage that caused her cancer. Did you ever think of that? I mean with all your talk on the power of negativity and karma and all that one would think the thought might occur to you.
Evil wishes and hate directed at others can be a powerful thing."- Mirandee
"The night before the surgery on her brain tumor, even with all her fear and worry over that, when I spoke to Ginny on the phone, she referred to this post of Pidaua's and said please don't let Pidaua know about this as she will use it against me.

That says it all right there. And hopefully Pidaua has learned something from this and hopefully all those here at LL who are co-dependents and enablers of Pidaua's behavior have learned something from it as well."- Mirandee

Not only was this uncalled for but others felt it was also. Here is the post from jwhop.

"Mirandee, I read what you said on the Rainbow thread in FFA. It's one of the most underhanded and vile attacks I've seen on this site. You decided to follow it up with another here, to the point of accusing Pid of being the causative agent in manifesting Rainbow's brain tumor.
There is no nice way to say this Mirandee and you deserve no effort to be nice to you.

Your comments could only come from a shriveled soul full of hate and bile. In this instance, your project your own hateful thoughts on Pid...oh, and her enablers here too.

I read what Pid had to say on FFA and there's not a hint she wishes Rainbow anything but the very best medical outcome, as do I. Nor has anyone including Pid attempted to use Rainbows medical condition against her...nor would they.

Unlike you Mirandee, normal people are able to separate the person from their political beliefs. Normal people can and do oppose others political beliefs without wishing some calamity to befall them.

You need professional help."-jwhop

Even CG wrote something about what was said here it is.

"I think it's best that we assume that your 'hypothesis' (allbeit one that you said you yourself wouldn't even believe) about Pid's comments to Rainbow having had anything to do with the tumour are just such a product of emotions running high. I would strongly suggest you take those comments back and apologise for them because quite frankly that was distasteful and very beneath you. If you don't believe it then why even mention it? Why call other people's attention to it? It was completely uncalled for and totally unfair. You all said some hateful things to one another; should we hold you personally responsible if Pid falls ill next or if Jwhop comes down with something? Of course not. It's utterly ridiculous.

From what I read, Pid was genuinely moved by Rainbow's illness and she had no need to write anything at all on that thread in fact - we all know what's been going on between the 3 of you on these boards because we've all had to sit through the sorry display for too long if we wanted to get a word in and start an actual discussion. As such, I would hazard a guess that no one imagined Pid would make any comment on that particular thread. Not only did she comment but in my opinion she wrote some beautiful words and expressed a genuine concern for a fellow human being. Now if you're going to try and turn that into something ugly or something to be frowned upon and sneered at, then I'm afraid I for one will lose a great deal of respect for you Mirandee. Far from 'using this against' Rainbow, Pid has ceased all hostility which is something you sadly seem to be incapable of. To express caring for someone, especially if it's someone you have had viscious arguments with is something that should not be sniffed at in my opinion; you said you hope Pid learns from this? Well I hope you learn from it too Mirandee. I hope you learn the capacity to forgive and to truly rid yourself of negativity once and for all. Because whether it causes illness or not, it's an ugly thing to behold and causes bitterness and anger which aren't very healthy at all.

Before I'm accused of "only sticking up for my 'friends'" and favouring one side, you might be interested to learn that Pid and I have often had our arguments on this forum and have spat some choice words back and forth several times. We certainly don't see eye to eye politically, but based solely on her capacity to reach out genuinely and warmly to another human being, or her 'enemy' as you would have it, I would be honoured to call her a friend."- CG

Thank you for pointing the things out that you two have. It is nice to see that others on the thread have also seen the wrong in this.

Just for the record she hasnt come on here and used anything against ginny. What she has done is show compassion so there was no reason at all to come on here and try to start the hate again.

Take the end of your post for example.

"edited to add: Guess now you know what accounted for " what is eating away" at Ginny's brain, Pidaua and I hope you are real proud of these statements."- Mirandee

She didnt reply and wont reply to this statement there is no reason to. But when
Rainbow found out that pidaua's ex was abusive this is what she stated.

"In the first place, I had no idea that her ex was “abusive” so how could I say she deserved something I didn’t even know anything a bout??

But you know what?
Had I known a bout the abuse, it makes sense that I probablyWOULD say she deserved it, nasty little wench that she is….."- Rainbow

Then Lailei says this.

"It was entirely uncharacteristic of Ginny to respond to anyone in the way she did to Pid, and I know from talks with her that it truly disturbed her that she was brought down to that level and wished she could just walk away, but felt she needed to stand and defend herself. Strong, admirable lady she is.

With Ginny it was uncharacteristic.
With Mirandee it is {i]uncharacteristic[/i].
Is it uncharacteristic of Pidaua?
Can anyone say that? (with a straight face)"-Lialei

I have seen her be nasty to a couple different folks here so to say this is totally off. I can say it with a straight face and I think others can also. Maybe it is like what you put in your own post, "she could just walk away, but felt she needed to stand and defend herself".

Maybe some should follow Mirandee's words and let it be and concetrate your emotions in a positive way.

"I am only concerned with God knows regarding all of this."- Mirandee

Rainbow we hope you are recovering well. Glad to hear the surgery went without any problems. Hope you have a speedy recovery.

Baby, I am sorry you are being the brunt of this thread. I love you, Bear.

P.S. Pidaua did burn the sage for rainbow like she said she was going to.

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posted December 02, 2006 08:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pid ~ I don't know if you'll see this but I read your post on FFA and I thought it was beautiful. Rainbow has a good and gentle heart and I believe she will also find a way to look past the nastiness, as you did, and see the truth in your words.

And I bet that sage does wonders.

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sue g
posted December 02, 2006 08:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just went back and read that thread on my eyes and heart, none of those messages were phoney or insincere..all of them written with good intention

And I can only echo what Tink says....

Bear and Pid.....your love for each other is overwhelming...treasure it....


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posted December 02, 2006 10:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All good intentions

so what the heck and are Lialei and Mirandee trying to do? Very dark, indeed. ...

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sue g
posted December 02, 2006 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

A candle of hope

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posted December 02, 2006 02:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sending love, blessings and healing light
for Rainbow.

Strong lady, survivor ~ blessed be.

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posted December 03, 2006 11:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is really no point in either myself or Lia responding on this thread as what we say will only be deleted by Randall. While he allows you guys to run with distortions and out and out lies of what Lia and I actually said.

We can easily see from this thread and what Randall did here by deleting mine and Lia's post and many of the other posts ( deja vu of KS ) how Randall's "freedom of speech" really works. Not freedom of speech at all but rather cronism at it's very worse. Only one side is allowed to be heard here.

So carry on. I actually love that the true nature and character of all you people is being displayed here on this thread. Love how the "peacemakers" are actively participating in it too showing their true character.

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posted December 03, 2006 12:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very nice naiad

Lotus, there is no dark intention at all.
Why would you think that?

shall I continue to write, or will it be deleted and censored and thereafter twisted? Is anybody really paying attention or care what's occuring here? Should I bother?
Or should we just ignore it and believe that half the thread here just so timely mysteriously disappeared? And odd, Bear, how you had the forethought to have saved every word before it was deleted. hmmm...

The night of Ginny's surgery, on the phone, she brought up to me Pid's words to her about "hope what's eating your brain...". She said to me, "well, she got her wish."

I hadn't known about it, before she told me. I don't read here often. And I definately wouldn't have brought up Pid or GU to her at such a time.

She's distressed, having just learnt she has a brain tumor. She's having immediate brain surgery. Yet THAT of all things was on her mind.
Mirandee found that disturbing,
and I found it disturbing too.

The intention here is not to blame Pid for her illness. That's ridiculous. Of course it isn't her fault. (Mirandee never said it was, as I quoted her "Not that I believe that.") Nor is it to give her a guilt trip. What I said, Bear, was that "I hope Pid's words to Rainbow were sincere" (on her prayer thread in FFA). Because I do hope that.

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posted December 03, 2006 12:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The intention was only, that hopefully there is some contemplation here as to how we choose to treat our fellow Beings. Maybe, hopefully some realization of how profound words can be--at times, like swords...and maybe more timely profound than the other may know.
That's it. All the rest is distorted, subjective reactionary conclusions.

I was again disturbed, when you all joined in like a pack to attack Mirandee, immediately without at all giving thought to her hurt, as Ginny's good friend, nor how she was trying to explain the significance of how Rainbow was affected by Pid's words to her, so there seemed no thought of compassion to think of that signifance for Ginny either.

all I will say for now.

(having been through the Kindred's deletion, every original page here has been saved. Sad to have to think of saving your posts? I think so. )

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posted December 03, 2006 12:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you are twisting things

things were done on both sides
yet you are only willing to defend one side

I know that we are all genuinely concerned
about Rainbow..and sending her all Our Love

yet you still make implications???

And I have no idea why things were deleted
I don't like that..we need to learn and
grow from our mistakes, not hide them
God Knows ALL

all is accounted for. ...

LOve and Respect for ALL... .

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posted December 03, 2006 12:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not twisting anything, Lotus.

On my post that disappeared,
I said Ginny said things to Pid too.
I recognized that. Go back and read writesomething's post of my words.

You're the one trying to twist, once again.


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posted December 03, 2006 12:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for all of your opinions Lialei. . .

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posted December 03, 2006 02:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lialei and Mirandee ~ While I might not agree with some of the ideas put forth here, I'm sure you were both devastated with the news of your friend and I understand the emotional torment that would insue. I wish you both peace.

Lialei ~ I so agree with your statement regarding the power of words and the potential damage done by them. LindaLand relys on words alone. I think we might all learn a lesson here. I intend to give it alot of thought myself.

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posted December 03, 2006 03:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes..the power of WORDS-SWORD..

even swear words have a negative impact,
we should really think about what we write
and say

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posted December 03, 2006 03:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you, Tink, for your compassion and openness to understanding.

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posted December 03, 2006 03:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote case there is any concern,
we wouldn't think to distress Rainbow with mention of any of this at this time...
maybe never.

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posted December 03, 2006 03:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's not a competition, hehe

actions speak loud and clear, too!

LOve to ALL. ...

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posted December 03, 2006 04:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no idea what you're implying,

sigh...why am I responding?
I do find your 'heehee' highly innappropriate. Actions indeed.

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posted December 03, 2006 04:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's a good thing..I don't Mind what you think..

and you do know what I am implying. ...
whether you want to admit it, or not... .

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posted December 03, 2006 04:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah, I think I do know now.
It took me a moment to shift to the perceptions of an opportunistic maniacle mind.

Anyone who knows me, knows I wouldn't even think in terms of 'competition', especially at such a time.

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posted December 03, 2006 05:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess also..that is why you would choose
to insult me..

what a lady...

LOve and Respect for ALL. ...

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posted December 04, 2006 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lia Totally understand what you're coming from. I don't think you're trying to admonish anyone, merely point out that there's a lesson here for all of us. I respect you for your comments.

A flower that is not watered will shrivel, wilt, and die.

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posted December 04, 2006 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to agree with Sue, Lotus and Tink...seriously from what I have seen the nasty insults come from TWO sides...and perhaps EVERYONE here should practice what they preach. Pid kindly posted her concern for Rainbow, who's right is it to say thats phoeny? Seriously people make peace, threatening each other is not the mature way to go...

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posted December 04, 2006 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to clear something up about the accusation concerning me or others deleting posts. I do not have that control nor would I exercise it if I had the knowledge to do so.

The post in "Dems won the house" still has my original post.

Randall has been the scapegoat here far too often. When the KS thread crashed, he was blamed. When people did not get the desired affect from the Racism thread, he was threatened with a lawsuit. Now, someone is trying to state he went around and deleted threads. I have not been to LL since Thursday evening and I found the thread- all 11 pages of it.

That is all I have to say about that accusation. I wanted to make sure Randall's name was cleared as he was not contacted nor did I do anything to the threads.

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posted December 04, 2006 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

How odd Randall would be blamed for crashing the KS site...since it was the members themselves who rushed back to delete their posts and acoustic who took the action to shut the site down before anyone could read all those "nice" things KS members were saying about LindaLand members.

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