posted November 28, 2006 11:27 PM            

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Honestly I support Israel in its right to exist and in its right to defend itself.

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I'm curious: why?

If there is one country on this earth that truly doesn't have a right to exist, I think it's Israel, simply because it was arbitrarily created by foreign powers in an already-populated nation based on territorial claims that haven't been illegitimate for thousands of years.

If the Palestinians resort to terrorism, I hardly blame them - pity the nation that hasn't an ally like the grand old US of A...

posted November 28, 2006 11:50 PM            

If it wasnt for major failing of the British (just like in Kashmir) in their decisions and the first Israeli leaders there would be no trouble. Palestinians in the beginning were okay with the creation of such state as long as the British would leave, some minor conflicts here and there and the British set the borders how they liked it and the first Israeli leaders also screwed up in talks. Everything else is history. But thats just my opinion.

I was more talking about the fact that people just jump at each other's throats for no reason just because of this stupidity...for some reason its assumed that Jews and Muslims intrinsically hate each other which is just rediculous. I had a run in with this girl about a week back who is openly anti-semitic and admits to being such, using Israel as her exuse to spout racist propoganda...sure everyone has the right to speak their mind, but she kind of crossed the line and thus now there is this standing issue. So i honestly want to know when did such become ok?

posted November 29, 2006 12:04 AM            

Have most countries had their borders set up by foreign powers? I've heard that argument before, but I'm not sure it's really valid. I think most countries have had their borders defined by wars and/or diplomatic negotiations. Post-WWII Europe is probably something of an exception, and there are certainly others, (though none so controversial as Israel). But Israel was basically just plopped down into the middle of a preexisting nation after WWII... at least, if my history is right.

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. So i honestly want to know when did such become ok?

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When did it become ok to be racist, or when did it become ok to spout racist propaganda? I would say that both have always been ok - annoying and stupid, sure, but still, like that Voltaire quote you mentioned...

posted November 29, 2006 04:47 PM              

when people say in America "oh we've come so far from the decades of the 50's and 60's segregation laws and blah....da da", thats true in a physical sense. Racism will always be here, mark my word, why? because its not indicated by the action, it starts in the MIND, its personal, it starts with the persons "beliefs and set values", and only after its beginning in the mind can a "Racist" Action be initiated or thought be spoken. Also because it has been and will contiune to be instilled in the minds of our youths, from the moment that segregation became illegal. And I can only say that you can not change the way someone thinks, you can't change someone's thoughts, that is free will, that belongs to the person, and another thing, some countries say "a dictator controls the way you think", no thats not true, they put a tight constrain on their citizens actions but they can think whatever you please, as long as their not opening their mouths about it. And of course, after the death of civil rights leader does segregation not exist, but minorities being allowed in White places is only held by "tolerance". Its sort of like a "they don't want you here, but they'll put up with it because they know its illegal, now "

posted November 29, 2006 07:16 PM            

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LMAO.. I thought the same thing....

Racism -

Oh yeah, it will always exist because some people need an excuse to feel superior while making others feel inferior.

Race is the lamest excuse and people actually fall into that because they can't find anything else to use against the person or people.

Rather than accept responsibility for being intellectually challenge, lazy and being an all around loser, they have to point at something that the person has no control over- the color of their skin.

The same holds true with all things, rather they be about religion or being an animal person. People use judgement at all times- we don't have to like everyone, but we should at least tolerate their choses. The only time am against being tolerant is when one persons choice causes others harm.

We have had arguments here equating the questioning of religious extremists to racism. I do not see how the two are at all alike.

Racism and bigotry sucks-the end..

posted November 30, 2006 12:23 PM            

No worries about the post. I was just giving you a hard time- I do that now and again LOL...

My three biggies are;

Sun- Sag
Moon- Aries
Rising - Virgo

Religion is a difficult thing. My Mother is Lutheran and my Father is Catholic. I was raised Lutheran- which is kind of odd for someone of my ethnic background (my Father is Spanish and Apache while my mother is German with Cherokee- but she is blond hair, blue eyed).

I am married to Bear, he was raised Mormon- but both of us are more spiritual than organized. Even though religion gave us a backbone- we don't subscribe to all the traditions.

We share our stories, but neither of us pushes it and he doesn't practice his at all.

And should that sexy Leo of mine decide to go all Stormin Mormon on me.. well I will not stand for the BIG LOVE thing LOL.....

I won't share my Lion LOL.....

I am sure things will get better with you and your bf, if not, counting it as a learning experience.

posted December 01, 2006 01:30 PM              

we have the same sun/moon/asc.

AND your suns in the 9th?? so is mine...

so your chart is reversed as well? Mine is reversed..

I am always attracted to ppl of other cultures and religions. I had the biggest crush on a Jewish guy for like three years (Orthodox Israeli Jewish guy nonetheless lol) we were very good friends in high school. I am Muslim. He was not Zionist though.

In the summer I was dating an Egyptian (100% from the backstreets of Cairo) type of guy which ended up being too much (he just was too possessive etc).

Prior to that I have a WEIRD history of being attracted to people of other cultures and histories.

Interesting.

I travel a lot too, do you?

posted December 01, 2006 01:35 PM              

u asked if i come here more often than other forums-yes i do. Although Im not a regular on LL. Sometimes I post a lot sometimes i disappear (go traveling, get busy etc).

I was wondering, in my case (Muslim girl,Jewish guy) it is taboo in both my religion and culture since Muslim women arent allowed to marry nonMuslim men. But in your case, why would it be so? Doesnt Jewish heritage go through the woman, and so if she marries a man of any religious denomination, her children would be considered Jewish? And for your bf as well, Muslim men can and do marry Christian and Jewish women all the time--in fact Mohammad married a Jewish Persian princess called Maria.

I am curious as to how you look since we have a lot of similarities in our chart. If you have pics posted online somewhere let me know or you could post them here if you feel comfy with that (and then delete later...).

Just curious.

posted December 01, 2006 08:43 PM            

If you dont mind me asking, whats your cultural background? My best friend is Egyptian btw I get obsessed with the culture and start liking the guys. I was into Chinese guys for a long long time. And before that into Greeks. Im a Greek mythology addict. I actually want to minor in Ancient Studies and History.

I would love to travel thats like my dream, travel the world with friends. My best friend promised to take me to Egypt soon, im loooking forward to that.

Btw sorry on a tangent when we say Zionist do we mean radical Jews against Palestine or do we mean ppl who want state of Israel to exist, because I want both states to exist and i thoroughly come under fire from both sides.

Actually even though its perfectly okay under Islam for a Muslim man to marry a woman who isnt Muslim but is from people of the book you would be surprised at how people are. First of all Jews from the former Soviet Union oddly seem to be very biased against everyone, they are for the general part racist and anti muslim and prone to stereotypes possibly because they are so used to living in such a system...Ukraine has more Neo Nazis than Eastern Germany. As for people from the Indian subcontinent they look majorly down upon their children dating...anyone for that matter, but especially a white girl and EASPECIALLY a jewish white girl and since im 19 and my bf is 20 its safe to say this relationships is secret. Though we think his parents found out. MY ex and i dated for 3 years and no one knew. Its rather hard. Its more of a cultural thing with the exuse of Islam than actual religious prohibition. Mohammed (PBUH) also married Saffiya who was the daughter of the leader of the Jewish tribe of Khaybar but she did convert though.

i posted one up on the forum Free-for-all there is a thread called Post ur pic and its on page 39. I would also love to see a pic of you