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Sweet Stars
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posted December 25, 2006 01:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bush: God told me to invade Iraq
President 'revealed reasons for war in private meeting'
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
Published: 07 October 2005

President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.

The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, has never hidden the importance of his faith.

From the outset he has couched the "global war on terror" in quasi-religious terms, as a struggle between good and evil. Al-Qa'ida terrorists are routinely described as evil-doers. For Mr Bush, the invasion of Iraq has always been part of the struggle against terrorism, and he appears to see himself as the executor of the divine will.

He told Bob Woodward - whose 2004 book, Plan of Attack, is the definitive account of the administration's road to war in Iraq - that after giving the order to invade in March 2003, he walked in the White House garden, praying "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty". As he went into this critical period, he told Mr Woodward, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will.

"I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."

Another telling sign of Mr Bush's religion was his answer to Mr Woodward's question on whether he had asked his father - the former president who refused to launch a full-scale invasion of Iraq after driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991 - for advice on what to do.

The current President replied that his earthly father was "the wrong father to appeal to for advice ... there is a higher father that I appeal to".

The same sense of mission permeated his speech at the National Endowment of Democracy yesterday. Its main news was Mr Bush's claim that Western security services had thwarted 10 planned attacks by al-Qa'ida since 11 September 2001, three of them against mainland US.

More striking though was his unrelenting portrayal of radical Islam as a global menace, which only the forces of freedom - led by the US - could repel. It was delivered at a moment when Mr Bush's domestic approval ratings are at their lowest ebb, in large part because of the war in Iraq, in which 1,950 US troops have died, with no end in sight.

It came amid continuing violence on the ground, nine days before the critical referendum on the new constitution that offers perhaps the last chance of securing a unitary and democratic Iraq. "The militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region" and set up a radical empire stretching from Spain to Indonesia, he said.

The insurgents' aim was to "enslave whole nations and intimidate the world". He portrayed Islamic radicals as a single global movement, from the Middle East to Chechnya and Bali and the jungles of the Philippines.

He rejected claims that the US military presence in Iraq was fuelling terrorism: 11 September 2001 occurred long before American troops set foot in Iraq - and Russia's opposition to the invasion did not stop terrorists carrying out the Beslan atrocity in which 300 children died.

Mr Bush also accused Syria and Iran of supporting radical groups. They "have a long history of collaboration with terrorists and they deserve no patience". The US, he warned, "makes no distinction between those who commit acts of terror and those who support and harbour them because they're equally as guilty of murder".

"Wars are not won without sacrifice and this war will require more sacrifice, more time and more resolve," Mr Bush declared. But progress was being made in Iraq, and, he proclaimed: "We will keep our nerve and we will win that victory."

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God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

Yeah like he's actually even there. He'd never have enough guts to go and fight. He has soldiers do the dirty work for him.

I'm sure God's very proud of him

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posted December 25, 2006 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ermmm i seriously doubt he phrased it that way...in a country where separation of church and state is so vital such a statement would be political suicide and would be broadcast by every netweork every newspaper as a major faux pas. So i dont believe it for a second. This isnt a country where one can claim devine right

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posted December 25, 2006 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, he's the one who keeps trying to bring church and state together (ie. "The bible states that marriage should be between a man and woman...blahblahblah"). So I wouldn't put it past him to make more ludicrous statements like that.

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posted December 25, 2006 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its true he is trying to bring it together but there is a difference between using the Bible as a source for "morality" and claiming devine right. EVen most kings in 1600s Europe couldnt get away with that. Though i think both is wrong. To me its a bit far fetched. Bush isnt the sharpest needle in the haystack but thats a bit too much

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posted December 25, 2006 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Bush isnt the sharpest needle in the haystack

And that is exactly what worries me. I doubt the man has the capability of making a sound decision on his own. As much as I can't stand Leftist and right wing blowhards, A man who manages to call Pakistani's, "Paki" on live television needs a quick refresher course on Diplomacy.

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posted December 25, 2006 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thats where i will disagree. Not being the sharpest needle in the haystack isnt the equivalent of being a complete moron and unlike most people I dont think he is. Hes just not THAT smart but hes also not that dumb. As for that he clearly lacks tact...some of the smartest people I know have less tact than a sledgehammer (please dont mind my sensless analogies lol ) And he definately needs more diplomacy as does Bolton. OMG i am in Model UN and for one of the training sessions i had to pretend to be Bolton, my rising Libra wanted to kill itself...my HS teacher always acused me of being too polite when it comes to political issues. But i agree diplomacy is the key!

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posted December 25, 2006 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Hsssh!* You don't want to let the Proud Leos or the Suspicious Scorpios go eyeing around you Lol!

Being a Libra means Charm and Intelligence is your weapon. If you pla your cards right, you can have this whole world shaking hands with one another by the next decade Lol!

Again, he isn't dumb but he does lack a WHOLE lot of discretion and prespective. Relying on advisors is one thing, but to enforce only right wing ideals without taking into account the greater part of small businesses and proper management of social programs is just stamping yourself for eviction from the Whitehouse Lol! (No offense right wingers .)

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posted December 25, 2006 09:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He did phrase it that way. I know because I had seen it on tv. I forgot until I found this old article.

I saw it on foxnews which is basically a Republican channel so I doubt they'll try and lie about it.

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posted December 25, 2006 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what a good weapon it is Xodian you really can have the world in the palm of your hand! Hehe

As for what you said i have to agree to an extend. Im not one of his supporters but im also not against him. I was against Kerry because I feel he was actually dumber...dont ask why, just my opinion. But he isnt the best of presidents. Though no one can live up to the Roosevelts

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posted December 25, 2006 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again, my blame doesn't fall upon the American people for choosing Bush. They just seeimgly chose the lesser of two evils.

What the plan was that Bush would ACTUALLY apply what he said before becoming a president.

He actually said that American's are viewed as Gung-Ho cowboys who jump into anything. Well Mr. Bush, good job in enforcing that statement.

I really like you to read the book called "Fiasco" BUD . Its an Objective look as to what went wrong with the war on Iraq (and no ppl... it doesn't just blame the current administration.)

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posted December 25, 2006 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Xodian ill look into it

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posted December 26, 2006 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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but there is a difference between using the Bible as a source for "morality" and claiming devine right.


No, there really is no difference because in both cases he's using religious/spiritual beliefs as an excuse for.... 1) putting a law in place. 2) A long-forseen failing war.

And the fact that he isn't the "sharpest crayon in the box" just proves my point: that yes, it is possible that he made that statement.

SS, why don't you post the link?

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posted December 26, 2006 11:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9677


Funny how they deny it!!!


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051006-6.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4317498.stm


Wierd how cnn, msnbc, and other websites have deleted it now.

I'm not surprised. I did read once about how the CIA busted into CNN studios and threatened everyone about reporting things that we will never know.

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posted December 26, 2006 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Atleast he admits that Palestine should be a state. But still, using God..and as an excuse for the Iraqi war??

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posted December 26, 2006 03:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Watch out. We might be considered terrorists for not liking him!

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posted December 26, 2006 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MEh thats sad that he is using God as an exuse, but i guess thats what works in today's world. Sad

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posted December 26, 2006 07:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If he said that statement, which he probably did, i try to never put anything past anyone, i find it quite blasphemous, i mean, really, how could you (referring to Bush making that statement) remark something like that when thousands of innocent lives and families are sacrificed every day for what he claims is done for the greater good of a nation and a world. Which in truth this war has no direction or purpose (with the exception of something vain like Oil). To make such a statement he obviously has no respect for the dignity that distinguishes humanity from all other universal races, or the precious earth that sustains us, which I don't really approve of.

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posted December 29, 2006 03:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That werent God ladies that was the

For sure

Uuughhh!!!!

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posted December 29, 2006 03:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other reason for his fopar was probably due to his heavy cocaine habit.....

Sort of numbs the brain doesnt it?

sniff sniff

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posted December 29, 2006 04:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of serial killers use that excuse.


"God spoke to me and said go do it".


If God were gonna speak to someone maybe he'd speak to someone with no blood on his hands.

I doubt he'd ever go to Georgy the coke head.

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What trash. Typical BBC which needs to drop the C and add an S. Then it would be BBS which would be double bullshiiit...which is the stock in trade at the bullsh*t spewing BBC.

Imagine this.

Bush, who has the smarts to get a Masters in Business from the Harvard School of Business...the premier business school in America... goes to the Middle East and talks to Arabs and Muslims. And what is Bush reported to have said...and I remind you that NO ONE can confirm a word of this report...well Bush says his Christian God told him to attack not one Muslim nation...but 2 Muslim nations.

And who are those Muslims whom Bush is alleged to have said that to? Well, they're the second in command of Fatah under Arafat...terrorists to the core...Mahmoud Abbas and a former Palestinian Foreign Minister.

Yeah, that's right Bush says to terrorists that his God...the Christian God told him to attack Muslim terrorists...terrorists just like their own terrorist government. Right!

Hello Crusades.

Hello!!!!!

Is there anything at all, anything too fantastic, too stupid, too absurd, too asinine for you to believe it?

Let me just say that if you believe this BBC report or any similar report, then the answer to the above question is NO. In fact, it's Hell NO.

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posted December 29, 2006 04:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had watched it on tv a long time ago. He did say it


Totally forgot about it.


Anyways, it was probably the coke talking to him.

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posted December 29, 2006 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Bush, who has the smarts to get a Masters in Business from the Harvard School of Business...the premier business school in America..


LOLOLOLOL, stop it! You're making me laugh! More like he had the connections....


I love how even when this has been proven by irefutable sources, people are still in denial and try to discredit these sources that millions of people listen to everyday. I thought the British were the U.S' allies anyways. Why would your allies lie about you? Lets use our common sense here.


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posted December 29, 2006 04:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sad but true. I know many people who are rich and get in through connections.


Money gets you anywhere.

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posted December 29, 2006 04:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If his family was powerful enough to aid the Nazis and help them escape here, then I'm sure they have enough power to pay their way through college.

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