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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted June 06, 2007 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thursday, June 7, 2007. Issue 3673. Page 4.
Mass Nazi-Era Grave Unearthed in Ukraine
By Natasha Lisova
The Associated Press

KIEV -- Ditch-diggers discovered a mass grave believed to contain thousands of Jews slaughtered in Ukraine during World War II, a Jewish community spokesman said, a grim finding in a nation one Holocaust expert said had been "an enormous killing field."

The grave was found by chance last month when workers were laying gas pipelines in the village of Gvozdavka-1, about 175 kilometers northwest of the Black Sea port city of Odessa, regional Jewish community spokesman Roman Shvartsman said Tuesday.

The Nazis established two ghettos during World War II near the village and brought Jews there from Odessa and what is now Moldova, Shvartsman said.

In November 1941, Nazi officials set up a concentration camp in the area and killed about 5,000 inmates.

"Several thousand Jews executed by the Nazis lie there," Shvartsman said.

Shvartsman said the Jewish community was aware of the mass murder at the time, but no one knew where the bodies were buried.

Yitzhak Arad, a Holocaust scholar and a former director of the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem, said the area was known to be a site of mass executions of Jews during the Holocaust. He said he found that some 28,000 Jews were brought there from surrounding towns and that 10,000 died -- murdered at a rate of around 500 people a day.

Holocaust expert Efraim Zuroff, director of the Israel office of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, said the discovery was not shocking or unexpected.

"I'm not surprised that, even in these days, there are discoveries such as these. It underscores the enormous scope of the plans of annihilation of the Nazis and their collaborators in Eastern Europe," Zuroff said.

Hundreds of mass graves exist in Ukraine, and many have not yet been discovered, Zuroff said. "Ukraine was an enormous killing field, hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered," he said.

Anatoly Podolsky, director of the Ukrainian Center for Holocaust Studies, said there are believed to be some 250 to 350 mass grave sites dating from the Nazi occupation, during which some 1.5 million Ukrainian Jews are believed to have been killed. The number includes those massacred near their homes and those deported to death camps elsewhere.

Podolsky said most of the sites were located after the 1991 Soviet collapse, but that there were still some left to find.

Ilia Levitas, the head of Ukraine's Jewish Council, put the number of Jewish mass graves in the country at more than 700.

The names of 93 Jews killed at the Gvozsdavka-1 site have been established, Shvartsman said. He said Jewish community members planned to conduct studies at the newly found site to identify victims.

"We must figure out their names. It is our debt to the victims and survivors," he said.

Odessa's chief rabbi, Shlomo Baksht, wants to erect a fence around the site and a monument to the victims this year.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2007/06/07/018.html

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pidaua
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posted June 07, 2007 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How sad How the president of Iran denies this ever happened is beyond me.

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posted June 07, 2007 01:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And then there was that article about that 14 year old girl's diary that was uncovered. SHe was a few months away from being taken to the concentration camps. The story said she was killed upon arrival there. It broke my heart. I just can't beleive that we (mankind) let this happen.
That evil resides in us all and i feel the pain of having to admit that. It also makes me realize that we have to come to terms with our dark sides and find balance. We will never advance as a human race until we stop hating mankind (ourselves). Even the nasty, ugly ones who commit heneous crimes. I think our only hope is to cast the light of acceptance upon all people and maybe our light we cast will transform them so they won't have a need to kill or torture anymore.

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posted June 08, 2007 01:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree with your thoughts Thirteen !
but sorry to break the news to you , your thoughts wont ever materlise ! thats life!
i am sorry !

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alanabelle86
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posted June 08, 2007 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
never say never cancergg! Believe in the power of positive thinking...


I completely agree with you, thirteen. It's the one thing that leaves me beside myself. But I believe that a day will come when the light shines upon all and the evil sifts through our material plane and ceases to exist. Call me naive, call me impractical. But it's much better to believe it so and have some hope than face the brutal reality of our existance without hope.

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