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jwhop
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posted November 24, 2007 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, you're never supposed to find that out...nor are you to ever find out that dem-0-scat congressional members are richer then their Republican counterparts.

Party of the Poor...Pleeeeeze, that's embarrassing.

Study: Democrats the party of the rich
By Donald Lambro
November 23, 2007

Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and middle-income Americans, but a new study says they now represent the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional districts.

In a state-by-state, district-by-district comparison of wealth concentrations based on Internal Revenue Service income data, Michael Franc, vice president of government relations at the Heritage Foundation, found that the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional jurisdictions were represented by Democrats...............
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071123/NATION/111230087/1002

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AcousticGod
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posted November 25, 2007 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hilarious!

Republicans are the ones who claim to be the business leaders, the industrialists, the Capitalists of the Free Market. Apparently, they're not. Apparently, they are delusional about their financial capabilities. They are being [financially] outdone by people who don't mind paying more in taxes (seeing as how they are already wealthy and don't feel the need to be miserly). I think that's great. (So which one is really the party of personal responsibility?)

It makes sense that Democrats are the ones to want to rid our country of it's debt.

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jwhop
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posted November 26, 2007 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Repbulicans don't make the claim to be the party of business. They do recognize the fact that businesses hire people and pay wages for their work.

Bush put a lot of business people in federal prisons...early on in his presidency.

Clinton sat on his sorry corrupt ass all through the decade of greed...with co-president Hillary by his side...and did nothing to stem illegal business practices in the US.

democrats claim to be the party of the poor.
I think that's an accurate statement from democrats who have made more people poor in the US than any party in American history.

LBJ's War on Poverty managed to greatly swell the ranks of the poor in America.

This is what socialists always do. Making poor people and poor nations is a socialist speciality.

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AcousticGod
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posted November 26, 2007 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aren't Democrats the ones who want to take from the rich (through taxes) in order to fund the poor? Isn't that the Republican line? Kind of a contradictory stance you're taking here.

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jwhop
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posted November 28, 2007 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Suppose you don't know anything about business acoustic...because you don't.

When dimocrats talk about the rich paying their fair share, they conveniently leave out the fact that the richest 1% of all earners pay 40% of all income taxes.

dimocrats also leave out the fact that the top 10% of all earners pay 60% of all income taxes.

Left out of dimocrats statistics is the fact the bottom 50% of all earners pay only 3% of all income taxes.

Something else dimocrats will never tell those who are in the something for nothing crowd...those who are their natural voters, those who wish to become wards of the state...is that when they..dimocrats..talk about taxing corporations they are talking about levying a tax on the poor...and a regressive tax at that.

Everyone who has a bit of business acumen understands that acoustic...because those Evilll corporations must...and will pass their dimocrat inspired tax increases on to consumers in the form of higher prices for their goods and/or services. In fact, all the dimocrat inspired paperwork documentation, regulation and busywork dreamed up by leftist dimocrats cost businesses money to comply with. They must and will pass along the cost of all that too.

You were perhaps the last human on earth to not get this acoustic. No more excuses now.

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posted November 28, 2007 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's no way for you not to be ironic in speaking about this. You're once again talking about Democrats choosing to tax themselves, and it doesn't escape me that you're not speaking one word about why Democrats would want to tax themselves.


This is interesting:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p60-231.pdf

Poverty going down while Clinton was in office. Poverty on the rise with Bush in office. (The above graph was produced during the Bush years.)

I think you and the Washington Post are going to have to try harder if you want anyone to believe Republicans are the Party of the Poor.

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jwhop
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posted November 29, 2007 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have great difficulty arguing against the truth acoustic. I see you decided to change the subject.

The breakout of who pays how much of the federal income tax load is indisputable...so..change the subject.

The information about the regressive nature of corporation taxes on the poor is also not disputable...so change the subject.

As to why dimocrats would choose to tax themselves...poor democrats don't choose. It's the wealthy dimocrats in congress who choose to tax them...with hidden regressive corporation taxes they don't see and therefore don't recognize; higher prices for goods and services at the retail level caused by increasing corporation taxes.

The Clinton years:
percentage of all people below the poverty line...US

1993...15.1
1994...14.5
1995...13.8
1996...13.7
1997...13.3
1998...12.7
1999...11.9
2000...11.3

The Bush years...to date
2001...11.7
2002...12.1
2003...12.5
2004...12.7
2005...12.6
2006...12.3

The average percent of US population below the poverty line during the Clinton years was 13.3%.

The average percent of US population below the poverty line during the Bush years..to date is 12.1
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov2.html

Another blown argument acustic.

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AcousticGod
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posted November 29, 2007 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I see you decided to change the subject.

The subject: democrats, Party of the Rich

Come on now. You wrote the title yourself.

quote:
The breakout of who pays how much of the federal income tax load is indisputable...so..change the subject.

No. I didn't address it, because that information regardless of it's accuracy means that these rich Democrats are shouldering the burden. You don't have a point to stand on, and rather than point that out to you, I left it alone so you wouldn't be embarrassed.

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The average percent of US population below the poverty line during the Clinton years was 13.3%.

The average percent of US population below the poverty line during the Bush years..to date is 12.1


That's a nice piece of spin, but anyone can see that Clinton left office with the poverty rate at 11.3%, and it's steadily climbed since Bush has been in office. Your data also shows a decrease in the poverty level every single year Clinton was in office. Contrast that with Bush where poverty has increased every single year.

Another blown argument is right.

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jwhop
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posted November 30, 2007 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are absolutely right acoustic...you didn't address what I said...you attempted to change the subject.

You are free to go back to what I've said on this thread and attempt to refute anything or everything I've said.

On the otherhand acoustic, you are also free to continue to attempt changing the subject when you cannot address the factual basis of what has been said.

The facts are as stated from the opening post on this thread.

Study: Democrats the party of the rich
By Donald Lambro
November 23, 2007

Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and middle-income Americans, but a new study says they now represent the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional districts.

In a state-by-state, district-by-district comparison of wealth concentrations based on Internal Revenue Service income data, Michael Franc, vice president of government relations at the Heritage Foundation, found that the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional jurisdictions were represented by Democrats...............
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071123/NATION/111230087/1002

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AcousticGod
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posted November 30, 2007 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The implication is that Democrats are no longer the party of the poor, which is what you can't seem to prove.

That Democrats are the richest is fine by me. I don't have any problem with Democrats being rich. I think it's great for a Republican to finally acknowledge Democrats as master Capitalists themselves. So much for Democrats being a bunch of communists or socialists, huh?

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jwhop
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posted November 30, 2007 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geez acoustic, didn't you even read the article?

dem-0-scats elected to both houses of congress were elected from voting districts with higher income levels than their Republican counterparts.

Why is this hard for you? It's not rocket science after all.

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AcousticGod
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posted November 30, 2007 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I didn't read your article in total to tell the truth. I don't feel like fact-checking yet another potentially misleading article that you've posted.

What is the point you're trying to make by posting this? Once you have an answer to this question, then I want you to go ahead and read over my responses to your reasoning behind posting this, ok? Then, if we're lucky, you'll understand.

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jwhop
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posted December 03, 2007 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it's really the case acoustic...that you didn't read the article in the opening post on this thread; then how can you claim any credibility when disagreeing with the basic premise of the article?

Are you claiming to have absorbed the article's contents by osmosis?

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