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Topic: Should the constitution make it a law for voters to pass a test before voting?
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Mannu
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posted March 25, 2008 09:54 PM
  
I felt I was better off deaf than hear about how Americans are voting. Should there be a test administered to voters before they are allowed to vote in the electoral college? This test should cover topics such as stand of presidential nominee on issues. Even if 1000 people turn out at the test centers and pass the test, then their votes are really worthy compared to the 1 million idiots who vote without knowledge. What do you think?
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thirteen
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posted March 27, 2008 08:04 AM
I think the schools should put much more focus on the policies of this country and reward students for understanding of issues and understanding of the political system. Its coming though because the world is changing and i think in order to get ahead one is going to have to have a much better education in general. This is a blessing.IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted March 27, 2008 08:53 AM
There used to be one ~ it was called having a Y chromosome. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 09:29 AM
thirteen,
Bravo! Synchronicity is a reality. I too was thinking about it the whole night, the pros and cons of governments being decided by the education systems such as universities.
But then how do we also keep happy the idiots such as those who gave us a wrong president in last 2 terms? For that I was thinking the voting system must be weighted. That is votes of all universities be assigned a weight of 50 percent and those of other citizens 50 percent. Heres how the idea can further be extended. Let the international universities be part of this voting scheme. After all an American leader must also be accepted by the rest of the world. Politicians must visit universities to learn and also conduct classes to students. Or because as any sysem is bound to corruption, we must just be content with real polls outlining above. Atleast that bias is better than no bias at all. I am just spiralling thinking about all this. 
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jwhop
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 27, 2008 11:20 AM
Mannu, we got exactly the "right" President to deal with the economy and especially with terrorists.Had Algore been elected in 2000, he would have surrendered to the Taliban and al-Qaeda and given them Colorado, Wyoming, Nevada and New Mexico for terrorist training camps as reparations for upsetting the poor dears. Then, Algore would have crowed about what a great deal he cut because the terrorists also wanted Arizona and Texas..but he was firm.  Now Mannu, let me remind you that Algore was Vice President all through Commander Corruption's....Bill and Hillary Clinton's administration while terrorists were attacking the United States both HERE and abroad from 1993 and through the rest of the 1990s and they never lifted a finger against the terrorists. Forget the traitor John Kerry. He's the same traitor he always has been going back to the 1970s. Further, Senator Flip-Flop would have said "he was for attacking the terrorists...until he was against it".  There was a time in the United States when only property owners could vote..those whom it was felt had a stake in America. That was corrected because everyone has a stake in America. There was also a time when literacy tests were applied against minorities who wanted to vote. That too was corrected. There was also a time when women couldn't vote...a long time. That too was corrected. We must trust the people to elect those whom they believe will best serve the interests of the nation. That's one of the reasons I have to laugh when I think about demoscat "Super Delegates" to the demoscat convention. It's a sure sign the demoscat power structure doesn't trust the people to nominate the "Right Candidate". Yet, these are the very same morons who screech, howl and shriek about disinfranshing voters. Their latest lunacy was to disinfranshise ALL the demoscat voters in Florida and Michigan. They can thank the socialist moron Howard Dean for that. IP: Logged |
thirteen
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posted March 27, 2008 12:11 PM
i agree because remember " the universe is unfolding as it should"
I still feel that Bush will get his glory and thanks down the road. After this is all over and people realize it had to be done.
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Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 12:18 PM
>>>the universe is unfolding as it shouldYes, but be immediate. This is the earth we are talking about not the universe. You attitude is not the entire picture. If the universe should unfold as it should then even 911 was required. This world(earth) you belong to is also you. If people agree he didn't do a great job, then he really didn't do a great job.
We should also consider opinions of iraqis and other nations. I am saying all this because we must make a conscious decision in choosing the next president. Remember how Carter messed up the country during pressure times. America is sleeping and it needs to be awakened. When we are awake, then we cannot blame the nation. No more "God d*amn America" sentiments floating in the air. Because you are like what you are the world is what it appears to you. When I look at that person sleeping on the street. I don't say everything is perfect. I think I am responsible for him. I have contributed to all the bads that I see in the world. We must have a paradigm shift within us first and act to change the world.
We must go all the way. Jesus tells this in a beautiful parable of a dying man on the street and people passing him by. give him your coat. make sure he has enough money for few days. that is he says go all the way you can. *edited march 28 2008 12:52am
Jesus was a revolutionary - he tried to change the world. Ramana maharishi , another master was also enlightenend. however he didn't try changing the world. I can write pages on this going in to details.
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blue moon
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posted March 27, 2008 02:07 PM
There's a fatal flaw here -> If you have a highly educated, highly motivated, highly knowledgable electorate that gets to pick between a variety of candidates who don't know whether they have been to Serbia or Egypt (as an example out of the top of my head) what is that going to say about the foreign policy you end up with? IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 02:21 PM
Thats why I asked that even the international people must rate the US president.For example if you see the past president standing next to a candidate for support and grinning. Don't turn off your TV and roll your eyes. Just vote him off based on past presidents bad records. As simple as that.
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Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 02:22 PM
Heh blue moon. whats that comment on Y chromosome? Are you sexist?
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thirteen
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posted March 27, 2008 02:25 PM
yes, even 9/11 was as it should be!! Sorry if that is upsetting. I have total faith in my universe.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 27, 2008 02:30 PM
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Heh blue moon. whats that comment on Y chromosome? Are you sexist?
Think for a moment before posting please. She is stating that there used to be a standard that required that you be a man (have a Y chromosome) in order to vote. IP: Logged |
thirteen
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posted March 27, 2008 02:34 PM
Dont confuse "everything is as it should be" with "everything is perfect" Two very different thought processes here. And who says perfection is the goal?
Did i like 9/11 heck no it mortified me and it still does. These things happen because of free will. We have been given free will and we live in an earth that has polarity ( good and bad) this is our reality so if people want to kill others they can. We need to get collective thought to a point where people do not want to do that stuff any more. This is where we are moving to . This is what i am a part of. You can only do this thru love.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 02:58 PM
AG, Oh mine, her response is to the title not thirteens. Sorry lost my continuity. For a moment I thought she wants only women in that panel of universities. Bluemoon,
Anyhow you are talking of the past. we did cross that bridge long ago. When we put efforts in whats to come its enough we understand our lessons from the past and let not its failures stop us.
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Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 03:07 PM
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Dont confuse "everything is as it should be" with "everything is perfect" Two very different thought processes here. And who says perfection is the goal?
Did i like 9/11 heck no it mortified me and it still does. These things happen because of free will. We have been given free will and we live in an earth that has polarity ( good and bad) this is our reality so if people want to kill others they can. We need to get collective thought to a point where people do not want to do that stuff any more. This is where we are moving to . This is what i am a part of. You can only do this thru love.
thirteen, you sound like you have just been to a church
The dogmas of free will and love preached in churches has created more confusions to people like you. I never talked of perfection or goals or anything. I was speaking of effort required or little bit of planning and see what happens. You missed it sorry. What I proposed cannot be measured by objective analysis of human. Its totally wrong to analyse humans as such. Hope you get that now.
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thirteen
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posted March 27, 2008 03:19 PM
"When I look at that person sleeping on the street. I don't say everything is perfect" Oh i see, you didn't say anything about perfection huh??? GO BACK AND READ YOUR POST! IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 03:25 PM
thirteen,
if "everything is as it should be"
then why are we here chatting ? IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 03:28 PM
And there is nothing wrong in perfection.I think we must all strive to be the Michaelangelo's. IP: Logged |
thirteen
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posted March 27, 2008 03:29 PM
Ok fine, yes, in the end im sure we both want the same things. I need to close this topic in my mind and revisit tomorrow. Have a good evening.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 03:32 PM
Yeah its better to break when miscommunication creeps in . Have a great one.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted March 27, 2008 09:44 PM
Did the constitution deny woman freedom to vote? http://gos.sbc.edu/a/anthony.html Perhaps the church of england and the catholic church denies woman to be a pastor. Do they still do that in england? I know they split long ago.
Anyhow the point I want to make is that lets not drift from the topic. The constitution is not a suicide pact. Please keep that in mind when you state your concerns here.
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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted March 27, 2008 09:59 PM
For the electoral college? I think so there definitely should be one. The elections are so much more based on who better presents themselves and who pleases the crowd more than any concrete ability to be a good leader...IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted March 28, 2008 05:15 AM
The Church of England ordains women priests.The church's Supreme Governor is a woman - the Queen. The U.K does not have a written constitution. Residents who are Commonwealth citizens are eligible to vote in General Elections, by historical precedent. They don't need to prove they know any of these facts first. If they don't speak English and need someone to help them work out how to fill in the paper, there will be a government appointed officer available to help them do this. If you want an opinion on this, I think the right to vote in general elections should be open to all foreign nationals who are resident. They are paying their taxes, shouldn't they have a say? Their lives will be effected by whatever politicians decide after the election (which isn't always what they promised). IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted March 28, 2008 05:25 AM
blue moon,
the US constitution does not also say anywhere "english" must be the official language. all the idiot Americans interpret it from their own lens. We have to get under the skin of the founding fathers especially Jefferson who was not a christian.
>>>If you want an opinion on this, I think the right to vote in general elections should be open to all foreign nationals who are resident. They are paying their taxes, shouldn't they have a say? Their lives will be effected by whatever politicians decide after the election (which isn't always what they promised).
Yeah great thought 
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blue moon
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posted March 28, 2008 05:28 AM
Well, I'll think on that one, but right now a future voter wants to play his computer games so it's adieu from me.IP: Logged |
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