posted April 03, 2008 06:39 PM            

I've been down that road before.

You should see his natal chart.

Arrogant cynicism.

Sun op Uranus will do that to you.

Did you even watch the video I posted?

If you did, and still think its silly, you are either blind or braindead.

Bill Maher says himself that he won't even review the evidence.

You can listen to him gloat about how he accepts the official story at face value.

Or, you can listen to what the experts have to say.

The evidence is out there.

An imbecile can see it.

You have only to open your eyes and look.

But, for that, you will first need an open mind.

Grant me just 10 minutes of your time.

Watch the video.

If, then, you are not convinced, say what you will, and you will have my blessing.

posted April 03, 2008 11:31 PM            

as for the video i really get tired of going over this, but I saw the planes fly into the building with my own two eyes and despite ur opinion i have 20/20...and well call me crazy but two GIANT planes flying into a pretty hollow building held up by weak supports and burning at ridiculously high degrees would in fact make it collapse... how you think that video makes more sense than the obvious is completely beyond me.

Honestly its easy to make things sound logical...does the video sound possible? Yes but thats the point of it isn't it? Just because its made to look a certain way doesn't make it so...there are reports to counter that which as JUST as convincing so its really a choice of what you believe in that case.

Video said "open air fires cannot burn hot enough to burn steel"

That may be so but lets not forget there was engine fuel from a plane there? That stuff burns at degrees way higher than what can melt steel...and lets be honest if a plane were to catch fire by itself it would melt parts of it, despite it being open air...

As for the Thermate if that is a conspiracy theory why not the theory that terrorists smuggled it onto the planes previously to the attack, or terrorists inside US soil didn't somehow implant it into the building previously ? There are many possible situations, and the government did it is not the only one of them...

AS for the videos point that "bottom parts of a building are weakened during a planned demolition" if you remember correctly Osama tried that one in 93...He blew out the bottom floors and the building didn't cave because its construction is specifically designated to protect it from such incidents...

Like i said if you believe it was a controlled demolition why not believe that terrorists within the US did not put said explosives exactly the way u say they did?

We know what happened on the planes because of the flight that went down in PA....there are transmissions that are recorded...So what are you saying the terrorists and the US government are working together? Isn't that just a little naive?

This video has as many possible holes as does the original report that u claim. In fact everything could be poked at with enough desire. Its easy to want to see something. I saw the video and it sounds convincing but there are a LOT of holes in it...and well...think of Sherlock Holmes...sometimes the simplest answer is the right one...we all try so hard to put some meaning into our lives, to make them more than what they are. To not be the victims. Its easier psychologically for people to accept that something evil was done BY them than it is to accept that it happened TO them...The concept of terrorists flying into our buildings is scarier to accept than our freely elected government which ends by this year was the one that did it...

posted April 04, 2008 12:58 PM            

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For one thing, what about the angled cut of the beams?

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Is it not possible that the collapse itself had that effect as the fire was burning on one side severely tilting the building...if u look at how it collapsed it would make sense for the angled beams...

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And the fuel from the engine would likely burn up almost instantly in the initial fireball

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Melting the beams with it...

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Your theory has been discredited by experts.

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So has yours so its basically a question of which experts you believe most.

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This video is the tip of the iceberg. Watch part one. Watch Zietgiest.

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Did...all expertly made bs...there are only three conspiracies I believe in and thats the death of JFK and Princess Diana...and Marilyn Monroe while we are at it...thats it...this is bs...

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There is just way too much going on here, and the evidence I am seeing makes ten times more sense than the official story.

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To you...but that doesn't mean that it makes sense to everyone else or that its true...It made LOTS of sense that the world is flat. And EXPERTS had amazing proof and reasoning as to why the sun revolves around the earth. But we all know how that turned out...Things aren't always as they seem.

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Or maybe you just dont want to know the truth.

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posted April 04, 2008 01:51 PM            

The fuel capacity of those aircraft which hit the WTC is about 23,980 US gallons and it's not stored in the engines. It's stored in tanks in the wings for the most part.

All that jet fuel did not go up in a fireball on impact

The aircraft severed the elevator shaft supports and opened up the shafts down which lots of jet fuel poured and caught fire. A natural wind tunnel effect as fresh air for combustion fed the fires on upper levels.

The idea some supports were angle cut and therefore that means explosives were used..oh and the globs of molten metal around those cuts indicates explosives were used is absurd.

When the buildings came down, some of those supports or lower sections of the supports were still sticking up in the air. They were cut off with plasma torches because they were in the way of cleanup operations which included heavy equipment. Of course they were angle cut...to make them fall in the desired...safe direction, away from workmen. And, of course, taking a cutting torch to those support beams caused puddling of the steel at the edges of the cuts.

Any moron, scientist or otherwise would have picked up some debris from the building and tested it for explosive residue...old, old science there...which would have been all over most everything there...if explosives were used. The debris was only laying around for about 4-5 months so I guess the crackpots didn't have enough time to get a piece for testing, before the sneaky government carted it all away..that is, if they really wanted to know the truth...as opposed to making baseless, lying allegations.

posted April 04, 2008 02:58 PM            

You also don't need to be a fireman/woman to know jet fuel burns at about 1800*F...well above the temperature where steel loses 50% of it's structural strength.

I've had an advantage because I went and looked it all up and all the nonsense arguments in the world won't overcome the laws of physics, metallurgy, gravity or thermodynamics.

I get your point about taking the time to find the facts your positions are based upon only to have those on the other side either ignore factual reality or come back at you with a non sequitur...or refuse to read it at all because they don't want to be confused with facts.

However, knowledge is it's own reward so taking the time to find out why something is so..or isn't so will have applications in other settings, other problems in other moments in time.

posted April 04, 2008 10:10 PM            

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Moon conjunct Pluto in Leo

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Hahaha makes PERFECT sense! I see some moon/pluto conj approaches. Im a moon conjunct PLuto in Scorpio.

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The collapse of a single story/floor where the plane entered was enough to cause a chain reaction whereby the weight of the upper stories/floors was not able to be handled [held up] by the lower floors.

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Thanks AG, some people just don't get facts even when its drawn in a pic

posted April 04, 2008 11:26 PM            

I love Bill Maher's show. He is a courageous American.

posted April 05, 2008 12:56 AM              

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Bill Maher is a Capricorn Aries i expect him to be an arrogant ******* ...hes funny though...

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posted April 05, 2008 08:06 AM            

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See the whole US did it conspiracy makes NO sense...what would be the logical purpose of the US to blow up so many of its own people for a war that doesn't even gain that much? Secrets like that do get uncovered and the government would COLLAPSE in utter chaos if such was uncovered...so its not even an option
and no one still told me about Al Qaeda activities in London and Madrid...if the US did 9/11 doesn't that mean that Brits did the London attack and Spain did the Madrid attack? And if so isn't a world wide conspiracy a bit ermmm NUTS

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Oh if we were to get creative, I am sure we can tie em all up togather one way or another .

Yes it was a joke ppl. Conspiricy theories are great substances for bestseller fictional works and its good to ask questions but please do try to confirm your sources before accepting facts as facts (and the same goes for the official reports as well.)

posted April 05, 2008 10:51 AM            

Blessed are those who believe without seeing it on FOX NEWS.