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Topic: I Hope this helps you give a better perspective , JWHOP
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posted April 11, 2008 11:14 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com Supreme Court clears OBC quota law: Ending uncertainty over the controversial law providing for 27 per cent reservation for Other Backward Classes in central educational institutions including IITs and IIMs, the Supreme Court on Thursday upheld its validity but ruled that the “creamy layer” among the backwards would not get reservation. A five-judge Constitution Bench headed by Chief Justice KG Balakrishnan upheld the Central Educational Institutions (Reservation in Admission) Act, 2006, paving the way for its implementation in all central educational institutions. The landmark verdict comes as a major victory for the UPA government, which had to face embarrassment after the court stayed the implementation of the OBC quota law last year. The bench, also comprising justices Arijit Pasayat, CK Thakker, RV Raveendran and Dalveer Bhandari, unanimously said the “creamy layer” must be excluded from the socially and educationally backward classes as per a 1993 government order. The government order excludes wards of people holding constitutional posts and senior government officials from the quota ambit. Justice Bhandari asked the government to exclude the children of former and present MPs and MLAs from the purview of OBC reservation. The judges, however, clarified that the “creamy layer” concept was not applicable to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. There should be a periodic review after five years on continuing with the OBC quota, they added. The bench also upheld the validity of the Constitution (93rd Amendment) Act 2005 that enabled the government to enact laws providing for OBC reservation in central educational institutions, saying it did not violate the Constitution’s basic structure. It also rejected the petitioners’ contention that not extending the OBC quota law to minority educational institutions was illegal. The exclusion of minority educational institutions from the ambit of the law did not violate the Constitution as “they (minority institutions) are a separate class and their rights are protected by other constitutional provisions,” the CJI said. There were four judgments delivered by the five judges. While justices Pasayat and Thakker delivered a common judgment, Justice Raveendran chose to write a separate but brief judgment despite agreeing with the CJI’s detailed judgment. The fourth judgment was that of Justice Bhandari, who declared the 93rd Constitutional Amendment as unconstitutional. He said that extending OBC quota to private institutions violated the basic structure of the Constitution as it stripped citizens of their fundamental right to carry on an occupation — running an educational institution in this case. The other judges left the question open, as there was no challenge to it from any private unaided educational institution. The CJI emphasised: “Reservation is one of the many tools that are used to preserve and promote the essence of equality so that disadvantaged groups can be brought to the forefront of civil life.” On the issue of determination of backward class, the CJI said it cannot be exclusively based on caste. Poverty, social backwardness, economic backwardness, are all criteria for determination of backwardness. Justices Pasayat and Thakker said it could be done by excluding the creamy layer for which necessary data must be obtained by the Centre and state governments. IP: Logged |
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posted April 11, 2008 11:17 AM
Oh and btw i am a high caste Hindu (with a lot of low caste friends )IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 11, 2008 03:03 PM
"Creamy layer"?IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 95 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 11, 2008 04:30 PM
I really have no idea what this article is talking about.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 11, 2008 04:56 PM
Glad I'm not the only one. Sounds interesting when the high court is placing a judgment on the creamy layer.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 11, 2008 04:57 PM
"Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes"This is confusing cancerrg. Is India still dividing people into "castes" and "tribes" for purposes of education, permissible occupations, employment opportunities etc?
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 856 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 11, 2008 08:54 PM
Creamy layer From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The creamy layer is a term used in Indian politics to refer to the wealthiest and best educated members of the Other Backward Castes (OBCs). The term was introduced by the Sattanathan Commission in 1971, who directed that the "creamy layer" should be excluded from the reservations (quotas) of civil posts and services otherwise granted to the OBCs. What is Other Backward Castes (OBCs). ?
------------------ ~ What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 45 From: always here and no where Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 11, 2008 11:52 PM
IITs are MITs of this country and IIM the WhartonsI think only merit/aptitude must be the factor when students compete for seats of top institutes such as those especially science institutes. For love of science, you can't let incompetent people become scientists Indian government is ridiculous. They must reconsider the decision. If they want to uplift the OBC's. start with administrative jobs in government for these people, admin positions in science institutes, school teachers, municipal. IP: Logged |
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posted April 12, 2008 02:13 AM
leave all the finer detail , just understand Supreme Court of India has clear the quota (reservations system) law for OBC's -Other Backward Castes (these are the castes upper to the low caste in traditional caste hiearchy . ) what i wanted to point was, caste system is being systematically eradicated by the govt and this something thats in the core of the consttution . Lower and Backward castes are being given extra benafits ( with reservation in educational institutes and govt jobs , there is infact a proposal for resesvation in private sector jobs too ) and mind you , there are no such provisions for upper caste people like me . (so in essence , a person with the same score card as me will be preffered for admission in IIT/IIM's if he is a lower caste , got it . ) and these provision were first made in 1947 when the country first became independent . and from time to time the reseravtion have been increasing . Result of all this , we already have had Low caste man as our President (we have had a Muslim president too ) . Does that point to something ? so Introspect ......... rather than finding faullts with others . P.s. all this was in response to your thread regarding caste system in India .
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posted April 12, 2008 05:28 AM
JW, LMAO "This is confusing cancerrg. Is India still dividing people into "castes" and "tribes" for purposes of education, permissible occupations, employment opportunities etc?" this gives u away. u didnt do any research on ur thread or try to understand the caste issue. u just posted googled articles and shamed every indian for being barbaric. the caste system died in 1947, but the govt, gives 50 % education and employment quota to their descendents so they can have a chance to move up the social ladder. all lower castes are the ones who are poorest. free education, can help them dont u think ? AND in 2000 years of the caste system the economic gap that arose between the lower and higher caste was a result of 200 years of british colonialism, they have done this everywhere. hope for better clarity next time u let your leo fire take over ur razor mind IP: Logged |
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posted April 12, 2008 11:27 AM
:::"This is confusing cancerrg. Is India still dividing people into "castes" and "tribes" for purposes of education, permissible occupations, employment opportunities etc?"this gives u away. u didnt do any research on ur thread or try to understand the caste issue. u just posted googled articles and shamed every indian for being barbaric. ::: haaan... you have a point here ? how didn't he know of the caste and tribes when he is the one who started the thread regarding it .
JW , atleast read what you post ,plzzzzz. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 12, 2008 11:46 AM
I did read what you posted but I didn't do any research on what you said. I was willing to take what you said at face value and attempt to get clarification on points on which I had a question.So, India is moving from one kind of institutionalized discrimination to another kind of institutionalized discrimination. A quota system. We have a quota system too in the United States which permits, no not permits, wrong word; it mandates discrimination against men and Caucasians in government hiring and admittance to universities. Best possible combination to get hired or admitted is to be a minority woman. Worst combination is to be a Caucasian man. Now VDI if you don't knock off the crap, I'll really take a good hard look at India and I don't think I'll have a bit of trouble finding lots of problems there. You've been quite free with your criticism of the United States but that's a two way road you're on. **Edit cancerrg, how about removing or repairing the scrambled link at the top of this thread...so we can read the text and comments without having to navigate left and right?
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posted April 13, 2008 03:07 AM
yeah , i think i should edit that part . actually i not very good with computers ,of all the programmes i am only good at excel bcos i use it daily for my sales figures and its really good . as for the quota system , i dont think its that bad . i 'll give you reasons why it can work .
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