posted April 11, 2008 09:57 PM            

Obama should be careful in not inciting anger of white people there. He is a gentle soul. But I still can't fathom his sincerity.

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I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how're you going to get votes in Pennsylvania," Obama said. "'What's going on there? We hear that it's hard for some working class people to get behind your campaign.' I said, 'Well look, they're frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they've seen jobs shipped overseas. They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their health care.'"
The Clinton campaign responded within moments. "Instead of apologizing for offending small town America, Senator Obama chose to repeat and embrace the comments he made earlier this week," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "It's unfortunate that Senator Obama didn't say he was sorry for what he said."

McCain's campaign, too, chimed in on Obama's explanation. "Instead of apologizing to small town Americans for dismissing their values, Barack Obama arrogantly tried to spin his way out of his outrageous San Francisco remarks," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. "Barack Obama thinks he knows your hopes and fears better than you do. You can't be more out of touch than that."

ORIGINAL POST

If Democrats are wondering what awaits Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) this fall if he becomes the party's presidential nominee, the events of the past few hours should serve as something of a guide.

Early this afternoon, The Huffington Post turned up audio from an Obama fundraiser in San Francisco in which the Illinois senator offered this take on Pennsylvania voters:

"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Within moments, Republicans had pounced. Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign told Politico's Jonathan Martin that Obama's comment revealed "an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking." Schmidt added: "It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans."

Within hours, the National Republican Congressional Committee had issued a release pushing Rep. Chris Carney -- a vulnerable freshman Democrat from Pennsylvania -- to condemn Obama's remarks.

"It's time for Congressman Chris Carney to step up and denounce Barack Obama's condescending attitude about families who live in small towns and who hold a viewpoint other than Obama's," said NRCC spokesman Ken Spain.

And, then, of course, came the inevitable Obama's response -- condemning the condemnation. "Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities," said spokesman Tommy Vietor. "And if John McCain wants a debate about who's out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent."

The whirlwind pace from revelation to recrimination to rebuttal reveals just what Obama must be ready for if he becomes the Democratic nominee.

Republicans are certain to use comments like this one to paint Obama as an out-of-step liberal beholden to the wants and needs of voters on the two coasts. It's a blueprint Republicans followed to perfection during the 2004 campaign against Sen. John Kerry -- effectively portraying the Massachusetts senator as an elitist without interest in or regard for the average voter in fly-over country.

Obama's roots in Illinois and strength among independent voters -- at least in the primary process to date -- make him more difficult to label. But that doesn't mean Republicans won't try.

posted April 12, 2008 12:39 AM            

Obama came under fire from Hillary Clinton and John McCain for his remarks just weeks before the Pennsylvania primary.

"When I go around and I talk to people, there is frustration, and there is anger, and there is bitterness," Obama began. "I want to make a point here."

"[Pennsylvanians are] frustrated and for good reason, because for the last 25 years they’ve seen jobs shipped overseas, they’ve seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs, they’ve lost their pensions. They’ve lost their health care."

Obama then said that politicians from both sides of the aisle have promised answers but that "nothing ever happens."

"So…they don’t vote on economic because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them," Obama said, adding that they end up voting on issues that include gun rights, gay marriage, and faith.

He then directly hit Clinton and McCain, mocking their earlier attacks.

"Here’s what’s rich," Obama said. "Sen. Clinton says, 'Well I don’t think people are bitter in Pennsylvania. I think Barack’s being condescending.' John McCain says, 'Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? He’s obviously out of touch with people. '"

"Out of touch?" Obama said. "I mean, John McCain, it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch?"

"Sen. Clinton voted for a credit card sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch?"

He concluded his argument by telling the audience that it is, in fact, the opposite.

posted April 14, 2008 06:08 PM            

As the rumination continues over Barack Obama's comments about economically-depressed small town voters, statements made by Bill Clinton on the same topic -- uttered while he was running for president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.

"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991.

A couple months later, Joe Klein, writing for the Sunday Times, reported that Clinton made the following remarks:

"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"

For comparison's sake, here is Obama's statement, reported by Mayhill Fowler for Huffington Post's OffTheBus:

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter). [...]

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

What do you think -- are they similar?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/bill-clinton-flashback-al_n_96433.html

Hell yeah...they are similar!

If Barack Obama is an elitist,then so is Bill Clinton.

Raymond Andrews

posted April 15, 2008 09:30 AM            

"At the end of Obama's remarks standing between two rooms of guests
-- the fourth appearance in California after traveling earlier in the
day from Montana -- a questioner asked, "some of us are going to
Pennsylvania to campaign for you. What should we be telling the voters
we encounter?"

"Obama's response to the questioner was that there are many, many
different sections in Pennsylvania comprised of a range of racial,
geographic, class, and economic groupings from Appalachia to
Philadelphia. So there was not one thing to say to such diverse
constituencies in Pennsylvania. But having said that, Obama went on
say that his campaign staff in Pennsylvania could provide the
questioner (an imminent Pennsylvania volunteer) with all the talking
points he needed. But Obama cautioned that such talking points were
really not what should be stressed with Pennsylvania voters."

"Instead he urged the volunteer to tell Pennsylvania voters he
encountered that Obama's campaign is about something more than
programs and talking points. It was at this point that Obama began to
talk about addressing the bitter feelings that many in some rural
communities in Pennsylvania have about being brushed aside in the wake
of the global economy. Senator Obama appeared to theorize, perhaps
improvidently given the coverage this week, that some of the people in
those communities take refuge in political concerns about guns,
religion and immigration. But what has not so far been reported is
that those statements preceded and were joined with additional
observations that black youth in urban areas are told they are no
longer "relevant" in the global economy and, feeling marginalized,
they engage in destructive behavior. Unlike the week's commentators
who have seized upon the remarks about "bitter feelings" in some
depressed communities in Pennsylvania, I gleaned a different meaning
from the entire answer."

You can real the whole thing here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-coleman/i-was-there-what-obama-re_b_96553.html
ml

I am not sure if it's true or not. A lot of people have a tendency
judge things by fragments and not bothering to take a look at the
whole thing. Sometimes,I see some astrologers do the same with
astrology charts.

Also there can be another side to a story.

Raymond

posted April 15, 2008 09:55 AM            

-- Bill Clinton, in his 2004 memoirs, My Life, making the same argument as Sen. Barack Obama.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/04/13/historical_quote_of_the_day.html

Why is it when Bill Clinton says that he's ok, but when Obama makes same argument, he gets demonized and accused of being arrogant and out of touch.....especially by Bill Clinton's own wife.

Raymond

posted April 15, 2008 12:39 PM            

Because Obama went a step further and attacked the first amendment (God delusion ) and Bill Clinton didn't

May be Obama was aluding to KKK/Mormons etc taking shelter under first amendment.

America is not ready for an atheist president.

posted April 15, 2008 05:04 PM            

Obama is a real foul ball, just like the rest of the socialist elitists who are the mose divisive elements in America.

'The Great Unifier' divides America
Posted: April 14, 2008
8:46 pm Eastern
Patrick Buchanan

It was said behind closed doors to the Chablis-and-brie set of San Francisco, in response to a question as to why he was not doing better in that benighted and barbarous land they call Pennsylvania.

Like Dr. Schweitzer, home from Africa to address the Royal Society on the customs of the upper Zambezi, Barack described Pennsylvanians in their native habitats of Atloona, Alquippa, Johnstown and McKeesport.

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and ... the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

This is the pitch-perfect Hollywood-Harvard stereotype of the white working class, the caricature of the urban ethnic – as seen from the San Francisco point of view.

As Linus clung to his security blanket, Barack is saying, out-state Pennsylvanians, bitter at the world that has passed them by, cling to their Bibles and guns and naturally revert to ancestral bigotries against "people who aren't like them" – blacks, gays and immigrants.

Though he sees himself as a progressive who has risen above prejudice, Barack was reflecting and pandering to the prejudice of the class to which he himself belongs, and which he was then addressing.

A few months back, Michelle Obama revealed her mindset about America with the remark that, "for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country." Barack has now revealed how he, too, sees the country. The Great Unifier divides the nation into us and them.

The "us" are the privileged cosmopolitan elite of San Francisco and his Ivy League upbringing. The "them" are the folks in the small towns and rural areas of that other America. Toward these folks, Obama's attitude is not one of hostility, but of paternalism. Because time has passed them by, Barack believes, they cannot, in their frustration and bitterness, be held fully accountable for their atavistic beliefs and behavior.

Though neither mocking nor malicious, Barack's remarks are, nonetheless, steeped in condescension. Inherent in his words is that these folks in Middle Pennsylvania are in need of empathy, education, assistance and perhaps therapy.

His remarks are of a piece with his address on civil rights that liberals have compared favorably to Lincoln's Second Inaugural.

Note, from that Philadelphia address, the highlighted words.

"Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race ... as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything. ... They ... feel their dreams slipping away ... opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense.

"Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism."

In Barack's mind, black anger and resentment at "racial injustice and inequality" are "legitimate." But the anger and resentment of white folks about affirmative action, crime and forced busing are born of misperceptions – and of "bogus claims of racism" manipulated and exploited by conservative columnists and commentators to keep the racial pot boiling and retain power, so the right can continue to do the bidding of the corporations that are the real enemy.

Barack has stumbled into the eternal failing of the left-wing populist. He cannot concede that the anger of white America – that its right to equal justice has been sacrificed to salve the consciences of guilt-besotted liberals – is a legitimate anger. The truth that Barack dare not speak is that reverse discrimination is pandemic and that the folks in Middle Pennsylvania have a valid grievance that ought to be addressed.

So, Barack sought in Philadelphia to redirect their anger.

"(T)hese white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle-class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many."

Barack is not wrong here. Corporations, out of naked greed, have deserted America. And the Clinton and Bush administrations have been unresponsive to the social impact of deindustrialization. But Barack cannot concede that white Americans are today's victims of state-sanctioned racism.

A gifted candidate, Barack, after stumbling for 48 hours, has regained his footing with his witty ripostes about Hillary being "Annie Oakley" with her "six-shooter," spending her Sunday mornings "out on the duck blind."

posted April 15, 2008 06:34 PM            

There is a lot of hyprocisy among mainstream Christians. Their beliefs infringe on the rights of homosexuals who can't get married.
Bill Clinton mentioned about gay rights. Gay rights and the christian beliefs are strongly connected because it's the christian beliefs that keep gays from being married. Not everybody in USA is christian. Maybe some gay couples believe in reincarnation and believe they have pastlives as heterosexual couple. That could violate their freedom of religion.

attacked the first amendment (God delusion ) and Bill Clinton didn't"

"May be Obama was aluding to KKK/Mormons etc taking shelter under first amendment."

"America is not ready for an atheist president."

Barack Obama is not an atheist. I don't know where you got that.

You act like racism isn't a problem in USA when it totally is. BTW...There is a Klu Klux Klan organization in Pennsylvania.

Even the governor of Pennsylvania said that there are racist whites in the state,and so he doubt that Obama would win Pennsylvania.
Also there are ordinary people who have experienced racism in Pennsylvania including the rural areas.

Racism is a big problem in USA

all you have to do is reading the following:

"The United States is doing little to comply with an international
agreement to end racial discrimination and has downplayed widespread
racism, charged an American Civil Liberties Union report released
yesterday." http://www.dailynewstribune.com/news/x773671370

DEKALB, Ill.---- Black students attending Northern Illinois University
say they feel unsafe after racial slurs and references to shootings
earlier this year at Virginia Tech were found scrawled on a bathroom wall.
The university, which was closed Monday as a security precaution, is
scheduled to reopen Tuesday. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/691002,niu121107.article

Racial microaggressions add up, researchers say http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/820146.html

African-Americans are 10 times more likely than whites to serve prison
terms for drug offenses, even though the rate of drug use doesn't
differ significantly between the two groups, a new national study says. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07345/840756-85.stm?cmpid=localstate.xml

Overlooking racism may lead to undiagnosed mental health disorders http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-09/vu-orm091503.php

Being African American increases a mentally ill individual’s chance of being diagnosed with schizophrenia and reduces the likelihood of that person’s receiving an affective disorder diagnosis. While data have pointed to this fact for several years, psychiatrists are beginning to assess the ramifications of this finding for blacks and how it adds a host of complicating factors to their treatment. http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/36/10/17

CONCLUSIONS: The study suggests the possibility of racial and other disparities in the diagnosis and treatment of patients with schizophrenia and comorbid affective and anxiety disorders. Although various causal explanations are plausible, all point toward the need for enhanced cross-cultural competence at all levels of mental health care, especially in the diagnosis and treatment of comorbid psychiatric illnesses. http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/52/9/1216

Causes, Effects, and Resolutions for Misdiagnosis of
African Americans in the Mental Health Sector http://freednerd.wordpress.com/2006/10/

The (Mis)Diagnosis of Mental Disorder in African Americans
Harold W. Neighbors, Associate Professor, Department of Health Behavior and Health Education, School of Public
Health, The University of Michigan www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/prba/perspectives/winter1997/hneighbors.pdf

Clinical Depression And African Americans http://www.health.am/ab/more/clinical_depression_and_african_americans/

Dec 1, 1999 | It took only a few weeks on the job for William Lawson to notice that there was something very strange going on. The psychiatrist had just joined the staff of the John L. McClellan Veterans Hospital in North Little Rock, Ark., and already he had seen patient after patient -- dozens of them, as it turned out -- with the same ill-fitting diagnosis. All African-American men, all veterans of combat in the Vietnam War, they suffered from terrifying nightmares, gut-twisting anxiety, flashbacks of fighting -- classic symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Yet they'd been assigned a very different condition: schizophrenia. http://dir.salon.com/story/books/it/1999/12/01/schizo?sid=476003

Are schools failing black boys?
Eight percent of the children in America’s public school are black boys, yet their representation in the nation’s special education classes is nearly twice that: 15 percent. African American males are also three times likely as white males to be enrolled in special education programs for "mildly to moderately mentally retarded," according to a 1992 report released by the Office of Civil Rights. http://www.terry.uga.edu/~dawndba/4500FailingBlkBoys.html

The purpose of this research was to evaluate the degree to which Black students are overrepresented and misplaced in special education, as a result of current testing and placement practices, insufficient parental knowledge of special education rights and responsibilities, and the need for more cultural diversity training for teachers. The two subjects interviewed were a special education teacher/chairperson and a principal; both employed in the same school. A class of special education students was unknowingly observed. Interview responses show little satisfaction with the current methods of placing Black children into special education programs. The observations demonstrated that the majority of the children did not need to be placed there. The use of Black psychologists, increased parental support and knowledge, a non-biased test for placement and increased preservice and inservice training was recommended. http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/peterz1.html

Minority parents want prompt diagnosis of child autism
In Hartford, Merva Jackson, executive director of the nonprofit African Caribbean American Parents of Children With Disabilities, said she believes that many black children with autism-spectrum disorders are misdiagnosed as having defiant, oppositional or behavioral problems.
"I think it's just a lack of knowledge" on the part of black families about what autism is, said Jackson, as well as cultural insensitivities or racism on the part of doctors and other professionals who evaluate children. http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/0525/stories/0525_bp_autism.php

According to the federal Household Survey, "most current illicit drug users are white. There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current illicit drug users in 1998." And yet, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations, over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%. http://www.drugwarfacts.org/racepris.htm

Job applicants with African-American sounding names are far less likely to get a callback as are similarly qualified "white" candidates, according to researchers at the University of Chicago and MIT, who submitted 5,000 bogus resumes in response to job ads. Half the resumes bore stereotypical African-American names such as Latonya and Tyrone; half sported traditionally Anglo names like Kristin and Brad. http://www.psychologytoday.com/rss/pto-20030430-000001.html

Can a 'Black' Name Affect Job Prospects?
Can a Black-Sounding Name Hurt Your Career Prospects?
But capable doesn't always matter. A job recruiter for Fortune 500 companies in northern California revealed an ugly secret."There is rampant racism everywhere. And people who deny that are being naïve," said the recruiter, who spoke on the condition her name would not be used. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=124232&page=3

Thomas is one of eight black women suing the department store for racial discrimination after she allegedly was told that Dillard's beauty salons charge black customers more than whites because of the "kinky" nature of "ethnic" hair. http://www.courttv.com/people/2006/0425/dillardssalon_ctv.html

Black Customers File Discrimination Lawsuit Against Waffle House http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=31028

(CNN) -- Most Americans, white and black, see racism as a lingering problem in the United States, and many say they know people who are racist, according to a new poll.
But few Americans of either race -- about one out of eight -- consider themselves racist.
And experts say racism has evolved from the days of Jim Crow to the point that people may not even recognize it in themselves. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/12/racism.poll/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush acknowledged persistent racism in America and lamented the Republican Party's bumpy relations with black voters as he addressed the NAACP's annual convention Thursday for the first time in his presidency.
"I understand that racism still lingers in America," Bush told the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "It's a lot easier to change a law than to change a human heart. And I understand that many African-Americans distrust my political party." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8IVQT000&show_article=1

The researchers performed fMRIs on 13 white participants. During the scans, participants viewed a series of faces -– some of which could be consciously seen and some of which were presented so quickly that participants did not report seeing them. The researchers found that for the ultra-brief subliminal images, amygdala activity was greater in response to black faces than to white faces, suggesting that at least initially, black faces provoked a stronger emotional reaction than white faces. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-12/hu-bar120804.php

Stereotypes of black people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Blacks

Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced discrimination in the past 30 days, whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of oversensitive racial hypochondriacs. Blacks, we seem to believe, make mountains out of molehills, for Lord knows we would never make a molehill out of a mountain! http://www.guerrillanews.com/threads/13568/why_whites_think_blacks_have_no_problems

Being Black and Beautiful Against Stereotypes http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/entertainment/index/beautiful042507

Affirmative Action: Who Benefits? http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/affirmaction.html

No Surprise - Skin Tone Study Reveals Preference for Light-Skinned Employees http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/skintonestudy925

WASHINGTON (NNPA)- Some thought color discrimination among African Americans had pretty much blown away with the black cultural revolution of the 1960s and 1970s.
But according to sociologists, academics and other measures of the nation's social barometer, the issue is still rooted in day-to-day life. http://www.frostillustrated.com/atf.php?sid=2381

Failed party promotion underscores color divide between US black women
Yasmine Toney describes herself as a "dark-skinned sista." So when she heard about a recent club promotion in Detroit, allowing all-night free admission to black women with fair or light skin, she was incensed.
"It's offensive," Toney said. "It continues a negative stereotype."
"I'm perceived to be aggressive, assertive, attitude-having ... a lot of things, because my complexion is darker," said the 24-year-old receptionist. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Skin-Tone.php

posted April 15, 2008 06:42 PM            

His gay rights stance, including gay marriage flies straight in the face of Christian doctrines.

Thanks for reminding me that O'Bomber is on the Black Liberation Theology bandwagon which is not any part of "Christian" doctrine.

posted April 16, 2008 08:37 AM            

I know that Obama attended the madrasas for four years when he was young and is now a christian. I was saying America in general is not ready for an atheist president. Jefferson was the third president who I think was atheist, but because he was the main author of declaration of independence , they made him president. I don't think there was an Atheist president since a very very long time in America.

And perhaps the "Bitter" comment was subconsciously Obama spoken out of his mouth, because of his own reasonings on Atheism. Don't get me wrong I love atheists more than 'false' religious people. They have more courage to question their beliefs then follow blind beliefs and christian dogmas. I am excluding good and humble christians who who don't impose their views on others from that.

And Obama did nothing for "BLT". Thats why Clinton is still more popular with blacks than Obama.
I didn't read all posts. Too busy at work. Will get back.

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Jwhop and all christian punks.

"Gay" is not antichristian values. Jeez, what a corruption of Jesus's words on planet earth. Show me a place where Jesus spoke on gay issues. Follow Jesus not Paul and certainly not "Constantine" created religion. Whose popes prays for Mussolini. Whose ideas were copied and modified by Hitler and led Germany in to disaster.

posted April 16, 2008 08:40 AM            

Why would you say that? I did accept in other posts here that racism is a problem in America. I have asked individuals to fight it if they are prejudiced. Take it up with HR, or courts. And what ever views they have of race, it comes from their own ego. If you react negatively then you are strengthening your own ego. Always be calm and not let them spoil your breakfast

Perhaps they are racist because they fear
whites will no longer be a majority race in california - LOL

posted April 16, 2008 01:44 PM            

In fact in Indiana it surged

posted April 16, 2008 01:53 PM            

quote:

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Jwhop and all christian punks

"Gay" is not antichristian values. Jeez, what a corruption of Jesus's words on planet earth. Show me a place where Jesus spoke on gay issues...Mannu

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Something else you know knowing about Mannu...Christian doctrine.

Show me ANY PLACE in the "Old or New Testament" where homosexual behavior is condoned, tolerated or permitted.