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jwhop
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posted April 17, 2008 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OBAMA WOOS GUN-TOTING GOD NUTS
April 16, 2008


Ann Coulter

The Democrats' "Fake-Out America" adviser, Berkeley linguistics professor George Lakoff, must be beside himself. Despite Lakoff's years spent training Democrats to "frame" their language to stop scaring Americans, B. Hussein Obama was caught on tape speaking candidly to other liberals in San Francisco last week.

One minute Obama was bowling in Pennsylvania with nice, ordinary people wearing "Beer Hunter" T-shirts, and the next thing you know, he was issuing a report on the psychological traits of normal Americans to rich liberals in San Francisco.

Obama informed the San Francisco plutocrats that these crazy working-class people are so bitter, they actually believe in God! And not just the 12-step meeting, higher power, "as you conceive him or her to be" kind of God. The regular, old-fashioned, almighty sort of "God."

As Obama put it: "(T)hey get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The rich liberals must have nearly fainted at the revelation that the denizens of small towns in Pennsylvania have absolutely no concern for the rich's ability to acquire servants from Mexico at a reasonable price.

We don't know much about Obama's audience, other than that four fundraisers were held on April 6 at the homes of San Francisco's rich and mighty, such as Alex Mehran, an Iranian who went into daddy's business and married an IBM heiress, and Gordon Getty, heir to the Getty Oil fortune.

It is not known whether any of Getty's three illegitimate children attended the Obama fundraiser -- which turned out to be more of a McCain fundraiser -- but photos from the event indicate that there were a fair number of armed (and presumably bitter) policemen providing security for the billionaire's soiree.

In 1967, Gordon sued his own father to get his hands on money from the family trust -- and lost. So Gordon Getty knows from bitter. It's a wonder he hasn't turned to guns, or even to immigrant-bashing. God knows (whoever he is) there are enough of them working on his home.

These are the sort of well-adjusted individuals to whom Obama is offering psychological profiles of normal Americans, including their bizarre theories about how jobs being sent to foreign countries and illegal-alien labor undercutting American workers might have something to do with their own economic misfortunes.

It's going to take a lot of "framing" for Democrats to recast Obama's explanation to San Francisco cafe society that gun ownership and a belief in God are the byproducts of a psychological disorder brought on by economic hardship.

It is an article of faith with the Democrats that they must fool Americans by simulating agreement with normal people. The winner of the Democratic primary is always the candidate who does the best impersonation of an American.

But then, after all their hard work making believe they're into NASCAR and God, some Democrat invariably slips and lets us know it's all a big fake-out. They're like a gay guy trying to act straight who accidentally refers to Brad Pitt as "yummy!"

The Democrats' last phony American (or perhaps I should say "faux American") was John Kerry, who famously said that if "you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Kerry claimed this was not an accurate reflection of his feelings about the troops, despite a four-decade record of contempt for them, including accusing American troops of being baby-killers during the Vietnam War.

Rather, he said, it was a "botched joke." (In Kerry's defense, he was the opening act for Randi Rhodes' stand-up comedy show at the time.) But as with his military records, Kerry refused to allow his joke-writer to release any of the jokes cut from that speech.

In case there was any confusion, other Democrats immediately clarified their position by going on television and saying -- as Rep. Charlie Rangel did -- that our troops are people who don't have the option of having "a decent career."

These Democrats can't even pull off attending a NASCAR race without embarrassing themselves. In August 2004, Kerry exclaimed: "Who among us does not love NASCAR?" And then, about six months ago, Democratic congressional staffers to Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., sent out a memo urging aides going to NASCAR races to get inoculated before attending.

Obama had been so careful until now, "framing" his message as "change" -- rather than partial birth abortion, driver's licenses for illegal aliens, tax hikes, socialized medicine and abandoning mandatory minimum prison sentences for federal crimes.

His message is "change" -- not that his wife has not been proud to be an American for most of her life.

He is for "change" -- and don't mind the crazy racist loon who has been Obama's spiritual mentor for two decades.

One can only hope that Obama got his shots before bowling in Altoona, Pa.
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posted April 17, 2008 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"(T)hey get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I think that statement tipped his hand to a lot of fine hardworking folks.

Thats a " bitter " pill to swollow.


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posted April 17, 2008 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Juni, that statement was definitely a clue as to how O'Bomber views those living in "flyover country". It's fascinating he chose to make that statement in front of his coven of high roller socialist friends in San Francisco...rather than deliver that broadside in one of those small towns in Pennsylvania.

What's worse is that I think he really believes what he said and if that's true we can throw out all the other reasons O'Bomber should never be president because that one is sufficient reason all by itself.

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posted April 18, 2008 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems unbelievable that this arrogant view of southern and bible-belt states as "flyover country" is not as uncommon as we may think it to be. It's kind of sad and scary, really.

As offensive as this comment is, I really wonder about those who would deny the implications that this comment is making...

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posted April 20, 2008 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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As offensive as this comment is, I really wonder about those who would deny the implications that this comment is making

I for one would deny the implications O'Bombers statements are making.

I don't know anyone who goes to church because they're bitter over lost jobs or anything else. This is the leftist elitist view of those who reject them as a candidate and reject their political views.

I don't know anyone who has bought a gun or owns a gun because they're bitter over anything. The 2nd Amendment gives citizens the perfect right...and some would say the duty to prevent a tyranny from taking over the country. It's leftist elitists who are forever attempting to disarm Americans in direct violation of their rights. O'Bomber is one of those and Hillary is another...no matter what they're saying now to get elected.

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posted April 20, 2008 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
April 19, 2008 8:00 AM
God and Guns
The only healthy way to fly.
By Mark Steyn

Our lesson today comes from the songwriter Frank Loesser: “Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition.”

Or as Barack Obama and his San Francisco pals would put it: God and guns. Loesser got the phrase from Howell Forgy, a naval chaplain at Pearl Harbor, who walked the decks of the New Orleans under Japanese bombardment exhorting his comrades. When the line came to Loesser’s ears, he turned it into a big hit song of the Second World War:

Praise the Lord and swing into position
Can’t afford to sit around a-wishin’…

— which some folks sang as “Can’t afford to be a politician.” Indeed. Senator Obama’s remarks about poor dumb bitter rural losers “clinging to” guns and God certainly testify to the instinctive snobbery of a big segment of the political class. But we shouldn’t let it go by merely deploring coastal condescension toward the knuckledraggers. No, what Michelle Malkin calls Crackerquiddick (quite rightly — it’s more than just another dreary “-gate”) is not just snobbish nor even merely wrongheaded. It’s an attack on two of the critical advantages the U.S. holds over most of the rest of the western world. In the other G7 developed nations, nobody clings to God’n’guns. The guns got taken away, and the Europeans gave up on churchgoing once they embraced Big Government as the new religion.

How’s that working out? Compared to America, France and Germany have been more or less economically stagnant for the last quarter-century, living permanently with unemployment rates significantly higher than the U.S.

Has it made them any less “bitter,” as Obama characterizes those Pennsylvanian crackers? No. In my book America Alone, just out in paperback and available in all good bookstores — you’ll find it in Borders propping up the wonky rear leg of the display table for the smash new CD Michelle Obama And The San Francisco Macchiato Chorus Sing “I Pinned My Pink Slip To The Gun Rack Of My Pick-Up”, “My Dog Done Died, My Wife Jus’ Left Me, And Michael Dukakis Is Strangely Reluctant To Run Again”, Plus “I Swung By The Economic Development Zone Business Park But The Only Two Occupied Rental Units Were Both Evangelical Churches” And Other Embittered Appalachian Favorites …

Where was I? Oh, yes. In my book America Alone, I note a global survey on optimism: 61 per cent of Americans were optimistic about the future, 29 per cent of the French, 15 per cent of Germans. Take it from a foreigner: In my experience, Americans are the least “bitter” people in the developed world. Secular gun-free big-government Europe doesn’t seem to have done anything for people’s happiness. Consider by way of example the words of Keith Reade. He’s not an Obama speechwriter, he’s a writer for the London Daily Mirror. And the day after the 2004 presidential election he expressed his frustration in an alarmingly Obamaesque way:

"Were I a Kerry voter, though, I’d feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets. The self-righteous, gun-totin’, military-lovin’, sister-marryin’, abortion-hatin’, gay-loathin’, foreigner-despisin’, non-passport ownin’ red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest d*** in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land “free and strong.”

Well, that’s certainly why I supported Bush, but I’m not sure it entirely accounts for the other 62,039,073 incontinent rednecks. Mr Reade, though, does usefully enumerate some of the distinctive features that separate America from the rest of the west. “Self-righteous”? If you want a public culture that reeks of indestructible faith in its own righteousness, try Europe — especially when they’re talking about America: If you disagree with Eutopian wisdom, you must be an idiot. Obama and far too many Democrats have bought into this delusion, most thoroughly distilled in Thomas Frank’s book What’s The Matter With Kansas?, whose argument is that heartland voters are too dumb (i.e., “moronic muppets”) to vote for their own best interests.

Europeans did “vote for their own best interests” — i.e., cradle-to-grave welfare, 35 hour work-weeks, six weeks of paid vacation, etc — and as a result they now face a perfect storm of unsustainable entitlements, economic stagnation, and declining human capital that’s left them so demographically beholden to unassimilable levels of immigration that they’re being remorselessly Islamized with every passing day. We should thank God (if you’ll forgive the expression) that America’s loser gun-nuts don’t share the same sophisticated rational calculation of “their best interests” as Thomas Frank, Obama, too many Democrats and the European political establishment.

As for “gun-totin’,” large numbers of Americans tote guns because they’re assertive, self-reliant citizens, not docile subjects of a permanent governing class. The Second Amendment is philosophically consistent with the First Amendment, for which I’ve become more grateful since the Canadian Islamic Congress decided to sue me for “hate speech” up north. Both amendments embody the American view that liberty is not the gift of the state, and its defense cannot be outsourced exclusively to the government.

I think a healthy society needs both God and guns: it benefits from a belief in some kind of higher purpose to life on earth, and it requires a self-reliant citizenry. If you lack either of those twin props, you wind up with today’s Europe — a present-tense Eutopia mired in fatalism. A while back, I was struck by the words of Oscar van den Boogaard, a Dutch gay humanist (which is pretty much the trifecta of Eurocool). Reflecting on the Continent’s accelerating Islamification, he concluded that the jig was up for the Europe he loved, but what could he do? “I am not a warrior, but who is?” he shrugged. “I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.”

Sorry, it doesn’t work like that. If you don’t understand that there are times when you’ll have to fight for it, you won’t enjoy it for long. That’s what a lot of Keith Reade’s laundry list — “gun-totin’,” “military-lovin’” — boils down to. As for “gay-loathin,’” it’s Oscar van den Boogaard’s famously tolerant Amsterdam where gay-bashing is resurgent: the editor of the American gay paper the Washington Blade got beaten up in the streets on his last visit to the Netherlands.

God and guns. Maybe one day a viable society will find a magic cure-all that can do without both, but Big Government isn’t it. And even complacent liberal Democrats ought to be able to cast an eye across the ocean and see that. But then he did give the speech in San Francisco, a city demographically declining at a rate that qualifies it for EU membership. When it comes to parochial simpletons, you don’t need to go to Kansas.
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posted April 20, 2008 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I for one would deny the implications O'Bombers statements are making.

Yes, I would deny those implications too. The implications I was referring to, however, were not the implications made towards the people that the Senator was targeting. I should have made that clearer.

I was referring to those who would defend the Senator and his remarks while maintaining a blindness to the arrogance shown by his words. There is an unsettling insight into Obama's actual character within the confines of his quote. His perspective is out of touch with reality and the people of this country.

I understand that people make mistakes and can often say stupid things but, frankly, I am a little alarmed by this remark. I was not a fan of Obama to begin with, but I have maintained an open mind to his candidacy. Hearing this news has proven (to me) that the Senator is all talk. He's a crowd-pleaser at his best but I fear that he would not have a clue about what would lie ahead of him if he were elected.

So, again, I wonder about those who would deny the implications made within the Senator's remark (i.e. the implications towards the Senator's own arrogance and his out-of-touch perspective).

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posted April 20, 2008 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha, thanks for the explanation NosiS.

I thought you were talking about the implications IF O'Bomber was right about small town America.

Well, you're right of course. Some O'Bomber supporters would still support O'Bomber if he were found standing over a body with a smoking hole in it's back and O'Bomber holding the smoking gun.

I noted the audience in front of which he made those grotesque accusations. San Francisco leftest elitists; elitists just like himself.

I suspect most O'Bomber supporters think O'Bomber is going to unlock the vault to the public piggybank for them.

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posted April 21, 2008 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a wise move.

There's a lot of gun toting god nuts in this country so if he wants to win he'll have to woo some of them...such as the ones in pensyltucky.

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posted April 22, 2008 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The real question is:

Why does O'Bomber believe he has to fool em in order to get elected?

Why would anyone vote for a poser who doesn't believe what he says when he's talking to real people in the voting districts in which he's campaigning?

People need to face the facts that O'Bomber is an artificial personality constructed wholly out of thin air. The reality of O'Bomber is much different.

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posted April 22, 2008 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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People need to face the facts that O'Bomber is an artificial personality constructed wholly out of thin air. The reality of O'Bomber is much different.

Have you opened your mind to the thought he may just be constructed by the reptilian race to sabatoge humanity.... then self destruct?

Why, he is shedding his skins all over the country .....

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posted April 22, 2008 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Juni, I hadn't considered O'Bomber might be a construct of reptilians.

For some reason I thought it was Bush who is a shape shifting reptilian space alien...at least that's the word I've heard on the street.

It's certainly true pieces of O'Bomber's facade are falling off.

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posted April 23, 2008 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What was said about Europe, specifically Germany, is so right. I have talked to German nationals that I am friends with and the work force / opportunities is lacking at best. A persons trade is decided at a specific time in their youth and unemployment is rampant. At many Military basis, due to the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement) we have to hire a specific number of Local Nationals in order to higher one Military Spouse. Even if we are more qualified, we have to hand the job over to a LN so that we don't actively compete with them. If they are lower qualified, too bad, they get the job and we wait.

People living on a Military installation can't even sell things like "Avon" or have a "doggie day care" without permission from Garrison and that has to be cleared with the German government to ensure we are not taking business from the hands of Germans.

Don't get me wrong. I love living here and the German cities where Posts are situated do very well. When we closed Bad Kissingen the town went to hell in a hand basket and the German's lament the closing (even though many cried out for it) because they lost all the Military personnel's Euro being put in their pockets through the purchase of goods, services and rent.

Still, they made out better with American renters than with German renters. Our previous landlord cried when we told her we were leaving because not only had we become friends, but we paid on time every time. It is extremely hard to evict someone here in Germany. Their last two tenents stiffed them for 3-2 months rent (respectively) and trashed the house. We did find out one of the reasons we were so sick was because of the mold (black mold) in the walls. The landlords told us they washed it off the walls and then put wall-paper over it. We would never stand for that in the states (or else we would have a legal venue to go through).

In any case, when people rely on total socialism and take the easy (or ME) way out, it always leads to what we see here. We are closing even more Posts here in Germany and the nationals are getting worried. As much as some protest our presence, they rely on us for their economy to a point.

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posted April 23, 2008 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Pid, this is a useful question that the writer of the article you commented on has asked...and answered, regarding cradle to grave socialism in Europe.

"How’s that working out? Compared to America, France and Germany have been more or less economically stagnant for the last quarter-century, living permanently with unemployment rates significantly higher than the U.S."

Here's another article you may find interesting about how some Europeans feel about America and Americans. Of course, they're just certain we're a bunch of gun toting barbarians and to come here is to risk their lives on the streets of America.

April 23, 2008
BBC correspondent discovers gun-owning America feels safe
Thomas Lifson

Justin Webb, BBC's North America editor, reports to UK listeners and readers on the "paradox" that America is less violent (and feels much safer) than Britain, where private hand gun ownership is banned.

Why is it then that so many Americans - and foreigners who come here - feel that the place is so, well, safe?

"I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place"

A British man I met in Colorado recently told me he used to live in Kent but he moved to the American state of New Jersey and will not go home because it is, as he put it, "a gentler environment for bringing the kids up."

This is New Jersey. Home of the Sopranos.

Brits arriving in New York, hoping to avoid being slaughtered on day one of their shopping mission to Manhattan are, by day two, beginning to wonder what all the fuss was about. By day three they have had had the scales lifted from their eyes.

I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place, the lack of the violent undercurrent so ubiquitous in British cities, even British market towns.

"It seems so nice here," they quaver.

Well, it is!

I credit Mr. Webb for his honesty, but wish he would explore the logic of this reality on which he reports with such surprise. He tut-tuts about a Washington, DC man who has been shot 9 times and who opposes the Supreme Court possibly overturning the DC gun ban. Yet he fails to note that it was that very same gun ban that made DC into the "wild west" he deplores. I would recommend he read John Lott's classic study, More Guns, Less Crime. Or perhaps he could simply analyze what happened to crime rates in the UK (and Australia) once gun buns were enforced.

It would also be nice for him to examine why it is that British tourists have such an unrealistic view of America as a violent place that they are shocked at how safe they feel when visiting. Does the media, including BBC, bear any responsibility for conveying such a misleading impression?

When people know that others are armed, they tend to be very polite. Some of the politest, most respectful and gracious behavior I have ever seen is found on firing ranges.

Still, it's a start
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/bbc_correspondent_discovers_gu.html

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