posted April 23, 2008 12:18 PM            

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posted April 23, 2008 06:02 PM            

Beyond that, showing US service personnel doing PT...that's "physical training" for the wussies who don't know...and inferring they're "sheeple"...in other words "sheep" is about what I would expect from cowards who don't have sufficient levels of testosterone to put on a military uniform.

Not only do I doubt they would last through 15 minutes of PT but I'm pretty sure they would break and run under fire.

posted April 23, 2008 07:27 PM            

Nah.. I'll take my PT running Soldier that HAS a brain (free from chemical intervention) and knows how to lead people (and not to a chemical induced self-imposed slaughter).

I have one question.. If it is so BAD in Iraq..why is it there is a soon to be "Disneyland" being built there in the green Zone in Baghdad? Hmmmm....

Somebody has been reading too many biased articles from the anti-human rights magazines LOL... talk about SHEEPLE

posted April 23, 2008 08:33 PM            

We keep getting a steady drip, drip, drip from the drips in the main stream media about how terrible things are in Iraq.

So, how come...and anyone who wants to jump in here and explain, please do..."how come" Disneyland is getting ready to build a theme park in Baghdad????? Oh yeah, I know, greedy capitalist pigs explains it.

No question that the SERE course requires the ultimate peak of physical fitness to graduate. Even then, I'd be surprised if they didn't have to push themselves beyond the barriers of what they thought they could do to pass.

I'll never understand what it is about some people that makes them criticize those who have the "right stuff" when they themselves obviously don't.

There was a time in America when if you didn't measure up..in sports, in education, in business or anything else, you didn't biiatch and moan, scream and howl or attempt to tear down those who were beating your brains out...YOU BUCKLED DOWN AND MADE YOURSELF BETTER. That's always been the American Way.

posted April 23, 2008 11:30 PM            

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There was a time in America when if you didn't measure up..in sports, in education, in business or anything else, you didn't biiatch and moan, scream and howl or attempt to tear down those who were beating your brains out...YOU BUCKLED DOWN AND MADE YOURSELF BETTER. That's always been the American Way.

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Well, let's don't forget that some people are naturally inferior and will never do for themselves even if they try so why should they even bother? Everyone else who can do for themselves should just give up what they've worked for to support those others and, if the "getters" don't "give" then they are obviously greedy monsters who are "keeping" others down.

posted April 24, 2008 12:31 AM            

We know which party is forever telling all the so called downtrodden they're going to take care of them...don't we?

We know which party declares everyone in America is a victim of America and promises to protect them from America, nurture and feed them...and all those victims of America need do is keep electing them.

God, they are a disgusting and contemptible lot.

posted April 24, 2008 06:06 AM            

Aren't you feeding the war machine by putting on a uniform?

Or do you think the war machine is good? Are you 'defending my rights'? Pity you don't listen too hard to another point of view when it comes from someone whose rights you're supposedly defending. There's something wrong there eh?

My taxes go towards this machine, which is what it is, whether I like it or not. I am permitted to comment without demonstrating I can do 40 push ups first. I don't hold much esteem for physically strong people without the wits to see that they are contributing to the problem.

"I doubt HSC could be as strong". It's an odd thing to say when you consider that he's rejecting your lifestyle and your jock criteria wholesale. You see?

I might overlook the blindness of a recruit who's barely more than a child.... because that's what the forces do - recruit people with very few other opportunities and with minds that are still forming and which can then be moulded into cannon fodder. I feel sorry for them. I really do. No accident that in my city the Air Force/Army/Navy recruitment shop is in the clubland part of town where the youth go.

But an adult? Hmmm. Sheeple is exactly the word. I'm not being personal here - my own father and brother in law are in the forces (RAF and Royal Marines), I think they are sheeple too. I grew up on RAF bases and have seen enough of it first hand to know there ain't a whole lot going on in some of the squaddies heads. Let alone any genuine questioning about their role in the whole debacle. More likely they are thinking of the nice house on a nice safe, policed estate where all the facilities are laid on and they want for nothing. They were bought! And they know it!

And all the those squaddies who are yapping and want thousands of pounds compensation because they went to war and got their leg blown off and now can't get a job.... Aww weally? Diddum go to war and discover dat dey sometimes fights back?
Durr. They are the scroungers.

Don't join up = don't get leg blown off = ability to care for oneself without living on compo from the taxpayers' purse. Seems quite a simple equation to me. Don't act surprised when the government don't want to know you when you return as a paraplegic and you have bugger all left to live on the rest of your days. Did you not watch any Nam films before you left? Or just the bits with the push ups in? THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT CANNON FODDER. Never has, never will. Because you see, they recruit people with nothing else left to them. And for a war that was a smokescreen in the first place. You fell for it.

The only military personnel I have ever had sympathy for were:
a) the people from poor communities who got targetted too young and then brainwashed into thinking "many push-ups = integrity" and
b)conscripts.

Don't talk about human rights when you're contributing to the s***storm that is Iraq. And it is bad there. Just take a look at some information other than the propaganda they give you before you land there and start blowing up civilians.

And you can hold these views without being a scrounger. I am a "key dinkler" that hasn't asked for a penny from anybody that she didn't earn herself.

posted April 24, 2008 06:09 AM            

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I am amazed to read a comment like that on a site like this.

posted April 24, 2008 07:18 AM              

hmm... new here ?

" It's an odd thing to say when you consider that he's rejecting your lifestyle and your jock criteria wholesale. You see?"

well thats disinformationalist rule no. 1... if u cant beat them... attack their credibility... i mean DUH

"Don't talk about human rights when you're contributing to the s***storm that is Iraq'

are you suicidal ??

"I am amazed to read a comment like that on a site like this."

ok thats it, you ARE new to GU right

welcome to the Zone of Egomaniacs starving for social context feeding off faceless people they attack on the net....

posted April 24, 2008 08:13 AM            

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I think you missed the sarcastic smiley, wheelsofcheese. Read the whole paragraph over as very sarcastic. I was more than amazed the first time I read crap like that, too. But don't you realize that's the argument, in bare bones, most people give to defend why we should be taxed out of our arses to "help others"? As though encouraging people to be dependent is in any way truly helpful.

posted April 24, 2008 11:13 AM            

Let's take just the first one for starters, "Illegal war".

Illegal= not legal= not lawful= unlawful

Now wheelsofcheese, for every unlawful act there is a law somewhere forbidding the action.

You know, murder, violation of Criminal Code sect 187.

You know, spitting on the sidewalk, violation of Public Health Law section 214 b&c.

So wheelsofcheese, instead of parroting talking points from some brain dead leftist morons, how about you do your homework and tell us/me exactly what law has been broken, what code section of that law applies, where that law is found and what jurisdiction that law has over the United States...be sure to post a link to your source which hopefully isn't an article from a bloviating moronic journalist.

After you do that wheelsofcheese, I'll tell you why the invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam Hussein was perfectly lawful under US law and lawful within the framework of the United Nations.

I don't know how old you are but let me assure you that your parents or perhaps grandparents were damned glad Americans put on military uniforms and came to the defense of Britain whose cities were being bombed, your civilians killed and whose military forces were taking a licking from Hitler's forces. You might want to take the time to read up on "Dunkirk".

"jwhop and pidaua - if people didn't join the military then the government (the US and the UK) would not be able to start illegal wars on other countries like Iraq."

"I might overlook the blindness of a recruit who's barely more than a child.... because that's what the forces do - recruit people with very few other opportunities and with minds that are still forming and which can then be moulded into cannon fodder."

"THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT CANNON FODDER. Never has, never will. Because you see, they recruit people with nothing else left to them."

posted April 24, 2008 11:25 AM            

Let's see VDI, exactly who is the egomaniac.

You, here to tell Americans how to do it, what to think, how to act..when women are being thrown on the funeral pyres of their husbands in your country. When little girls are sold into slavery as future prostitutes to so called religious temples. When new brides are beaten, tortured and/or murdered by parents of the groom because the dowrey wasn't big enough to suit them. When the caste system is still alive and well in India. These things are still being done, laws or no laws not withstanding.

posted April 25, 2008 05:16 AM            

Hello jwhop.

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So? Just because I haven't been here long doesn't mean I can't challenge you. This is a new thread.

It was an illegal aggressive war, that's my opinion and it's backed up in a whole load of sources. If it's been covered before then I consider any effort I make to be a waste of time as it will fall on deaf ears and you will dispute the source as 'leftist'. You've already made your mind up, and I'm not looking to you for approval of any source alright? Tell you what, you look up what was said by the leftists in all those threads before - and I'll agree with them, kay?

Oh for the love of God, not the whole Dunkirk thing, please no. I wondered when that would make an appearance in your argument. It always does with Americans of a certain disposition. Did I or did I not say that I had sympathy for conscripts? Was World War 2 fought with the use of conscripts or was it not? Tell you what, you read some more about it and get back to me. Anybody that came over here and distributed chewing gum and stockings whilst knocking up our women was here because they had to be.

posted April 25, 2008 09:47 AM            

I detect in your statements about military personnel the stench of elitism which I despise. Most elitists have absolutely nothing about which they should feel superior; not intellectually, not morally and not spiritually.

Your premise about "whose" rights are being defended by the allied military are so much BS. Everyone in those various nations "rights" are being defended. Their right to life as opposed to being blown up by a terrorist. Their right to freedom to choose their religious belief system. Their customs, laws and economic system.

posted April 25, 2008 10:36 AM              

"Most Americans would say you have a very long nose VDI. A very long nose you should bury in the problems of your own country. Somehow, we've managed to do without your advice and opinions here for the better part of 220 years. My personal opinion on the matter is that we'll somehow manage to muddle through without you hectoring advice."

well, from what i remember from Star Signs, what makes America a great country which is by no means UR contribution is ...." I agree to disagree with you, but i will defend to death ur right to disagree..."

hmm... sad no real Americans here....

"You, here to tell Americans how to do it, what to think, how to act."

WHEN did i ever ??? seriously dude... you have wrong person, its Mannu who does that and HE does NOT live in India...

"when women are being thrown on the funeral pyres of their husbands in your country. When little girls are sold into slavery as future prostitutes to so called religious temples. When new brides are beaten, tortured and/or murdered by parents of the groom because the dowrey wasn't big enough to suit them. When the caste system is still alive and well in India. These things are still being done, laws or no laws not withstanding."

CHEERS.... you are proving me right, by no means shutting me up
by your brand of Logic YOU should keep up ur mouth shut too, due to the fact that laws ARE violated against women and children in UR country, a woman is raped evry minute in the US....and esp becoz of what the world feels about Iraq , given they may not see your side....buts THAT is Human....

posted April 25, 2008 01:29 PM              

Wheelsofcheese - Of the maybe 10 people I've known who fought in WWII, (admittedly a small percentage ) not a one of them had an whiney, bitter "I had to go, they made me go" attitude. We were a different people in those days. That generation was the product of the Great Depression, the product of a different world, a world that taught them to almost instinctively understand such concepts as sacrifice and responsibilty. Concepts maybe not quite so familiar to my generation. I'm not a fan of the overly sentimental "The Greatest Generation" slop and my point is not to put an entire people on a pedestal, but rather to point out that what might seem alien to us, namely a willingness to unselfishly put on the uniform and trudge off to war in the name of duty and honor, was easily enough accepted by these very different men.

posted April 25, 2008 02:30 PM            

Not so. I was reminding wheelsofcheese of the circumstances of the time in which Americans did put on military uniforms and went to the defense of Britain.

My comments were in response to this statement:

"jwhop and pidaua - if people didn't join the military then the government (the US and the UK) would not be able to start illegal wars on other countries like Iraq.

Aren't you feeding the war machine by putting on a uniform?

Or do you think the war machine is good? Are you 'defending my rights'? Pity you don't listen too hard to another point of view when it comes from someone whose rights you're supposedly defending. There's something wrong there eh?"

I would say they needed more than just the tools of war TINK, considerably more. Yes, they fought bravely and defended Britain valiantly but that's not the point. My point was that in that time Britons were glad Americans did put on those uniforms of war.

Of course, Neville Chamberlain was British..the Prime Minister when Hitler could have been stopped and should have been stopped. Instead, Chamberlain gave the world "peace in our time" and ushered in WWII which only cost about 50,000,000 lives.

posted April 25, 2008 02:45 PM              

I've complete confidence that little pissant traitor Chamberlain is rotting slowly in a choice corner of hell. No doubt sharing a cell with the weasel we knew as Wilson.

posted April 25, 2008 03:54 PM            

I wasn't taking a gratuitous shot at the British. My response to wheelsofcheese was directed at her assumption those who put on military uniforms are feeding the war(s).

My point was that there was a time when her countrymen/women were happy to see those American uniforms....even if the men wearing those uniforms were overpaid, oversexed and over there..or from the perspective of some Britons, over here.