posted May 09, 2008 10:31 PM            

I believe that if Obama even gets the Democratic nomination, the KKK
recruiting will greatly increase.

There were more than 600 hate groups in USA in 2000. There are 844
hate groups now. 23 hate groups were founded in Illinois in 2006...up
from 16 in 2000.

damn....I am glad that I didn't become a politician..let alone a
successful one, show my idealism, my Neopaganism/New Age/Unitarian
Universalist beliefs,born in San Francisco,CA(American modern Babylon
to crazy religious fanatics),born from an interracial
couple,my support for gay marriage.......I'd get shot

Obama's own success can be his undoing
What's with his being accused of having messianic messages. I don't
get it. he's just being idealistic,inspirational......his strong
Neptune influence.......

look at me....I am very idealistic....look at my
background.....that's a big factor....I wrote poetry based on my
idealism......the strong neptune influence................nothing
messianic.........I come come from a diverse background and that
influences my idealism

the same goes for Barack Obama

It's bad enough some people think that he is a product of Affirmative
Action, A terrorist muslim, the Anti-Christ, but man......the KKK
could take him out.

this stuff is very depressing.

posted May 10, 2008 12:20 AM            

For instance , if there is a socialist president stealing tax payers money like in typical islam countries. He ought to be gunned down.

The forefathers thought about it.

posted May 10, 2008 01:41 AM            

Nobody has the right to kill a person.

especially not some racist,hate group like the Klu Klux Klan.

that would be a civil rights,human rights violation.

It's wrong to kill somebody because they are of different color,race,ethnicity,religion,ideology,nationality,creed,gender,sexual orientation,etc.

Anybody who condones and suggests an assassination shows me how twisted his/her values and morals are.

posted May 10, 2008 11:11 AM              

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posted May 10, 2008 12:50 PM              

Is it illegal to belong to the KKK?

posted May 10, 2008 01:03 PM              

I mean, look how many people are against Bush.
And he's still ok.

posted May 10, 2008 02:24 PM              

I do agree that we'll be seeing more and more of this particular brand of nutcase.

posted May 10, 2008 02:53 PM            

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there is a socialist president stealing tax payers money like in typical islam countries.

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And quite typically Mannu, you have once again reverted the topic at hand with a statement that obviously is totally wrong and unrelated.

Take Saudi Arabia and UAE for instance; No no local, regional, property or other sales taxes are imposed. And the reason why those regions are flurishing is upon the grounds of pure open market society (barring offcourse anything that might conflict with religious values.)

Once again I advice you to really do your research before making such sweeping claims.

posted May 10, 2008 04:00 PM            

Islam are for the poor
Islam are for the oppressed
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all these rhetorics are prevalent among Gandhi and MLK.

Different flavors of socialism really. Go figure.

posted May 10, 2008 04:06 PM            

To put it bluntly Mannu, you just argued against your own argument.

posted May 10, 2008 04:12 PM            

I think you missed the key point I raised.
I said the second amendment allows people to thwart socialist dictators if democracy is threatened.

Or perhaps you agree with me on that.

>>>>You are comparing Democratically runned societies with a govenment whose backbone lies upon a SECULAR based govenment with a taxation system that has NOTHING to do with Islam.

Oh yeah...compare the high taxes in these nations and you will get an idea. Yes, you are right I didn't study it. But they are very much predictable. I leave the fact finding part to professors such as you

posted May 10, 2008 04:17 PM            

Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is the name of several past and present secret organizations in the United States, mostly in the South, that are best known for advocating white supremacy and acting as vigilantes while hidden behind conic masks and white robes. The first KKK arose in the turmoil after the Civil War. It used terrorism, violence, and lynching to intimidate and oppress African Americans.

The first Klan was founded in 1866 by veterans of the Confederate Army. Its purpose was to restore white supremacy in the aftermath of the American Civil War. The Klan resisted Reconstruction by intimidating "carpetbaggers", "scalawags" and freedmen. The KKK quickly adopted violent methods. The increase in murders finally resulted in a backlash among Southern elites who viewed the Klan's excesses as an excuse for federal troops to continue occupation. The organization declined from 1868 to 1870 and was destroyed by President Ulysses S. Grant's prosecution and enforcement under the Civil Rights Act of 1871.

In 1915, the second Klan was founded. It grew rapidly in another period of postwar social tensions. After WWI, many Americans coped with booming growth rates in major cities, where numerous waves of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe and the Great Migration of Southern blacks and whites were being absorbed. After WWI, labor tensions rose as veterans tried to reenter the work force. In reaction to these new groups of immigrants and migrants, the second KKK preached racism, anti-Catholicism, anti-Communism, nativism, and anti-Semitism. Some local groups took part in lynchings, attacks on private houses and public property, and other violent activities. Members used ceremonial cross burning to intimidate victims and demonstrate its power. Murders and violence by the Klan were most numerous in the South, which had a tradition of lawlessness.[1]

The film The Birth of a Nation and the sensationalized newspaper coverage of the trial, conviction and lynching of Leo Frank of Georgia sparked the Klan's revival. The second Klan was a formal fraternal organization, with a national and state structure. At its peak in the mid-1920s, the organization included about 15% of the nation's eligible population, approximately 4–5 million men.[2] The Klan's popularity fell rapidly during the Great Depression, and membership fell further during World War II.[3]

The name Ku Klux Klan has since been used by many independent groups opposing the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, especially in the 1950s and 1960s. During this period, they often acted with impunity by alliances with Southern police departments, as during the reign of Bull Connor in Birmingham, Alabama; or governor's offices, as with George Wallace of Alabama.[4] Several members of KKK-affiliated groups were convicted of manslaughter and murder in the deaths of civil rights workers and children in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Alabama, the assassination of NAACP organizer Medgar Evers, and the murders of three civil rights workers in Mississippi. Today, researchers estimate there may be more than 150 Klan chapters with 5,000-8,000 members nationwide. The U.S. government classifies them as hate groups, with operations in separated small local units. The modern KKK has been repudiated by all mainstream media, political and religious leaders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

here is the official Klu Klux Klan website http://www.kkk.bz/

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Why do USA allow to have 150 Klux Klan chapters and over 800 hategroups. The KKK and other hate groups increase. It's a serious problem...especially when their hate groups are fueled by the ever increasing non-white immigrants that we have in our country.

BTW...I don't believe that any hate group organizations of any ethnicity should exist....especially if they have a violent past of hurting,killing people and violating their human,civil rights.

posted May 10, 2008 04:22 PM            

You argued that Socialism is a typical status in Islamic nations but if were to look upon nations that are based upon the streamline of the Sharia law; (i.e. U.A.E, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc.) they all just happen to have free-market societies. Do I agree with some of their human rights violations? Offcourse not. But those violations just happen to be co-related to tribal customs and NOT Islamic values.

The examples you listed are countries who have adopted democratic methods of governce yet failed upon holding key corrupt politicians accountable for their corrput actions. Should I start listing names out to you?

posted May 10, 2008 04:38 PM            

Yes, thanks due to the west for uniting savage people and giving them a state.
Who knows if they were influenced also by the free market policies of them?

Look all this does not matter, point is they are growing. You are taking a lop sided opinion by including good cases while I was focussing on negative ones to make a point. Don't we all want to eradicate poverty and superstition and illiteracy, but have differing viewpoints?

>>> Perhaps you need to brush up on your international relations.

And a professor is like a mad man who likes to talk to himself

posted May 10, 2008 04:41 PM            

A Madrasa for the most finds its origins with informal gathering of scholars within a mosque to discuss religious issues. The main Job of a Madrasa is not to instill hatred of ANY kind but to attempt to answer unanswered questions with in a DIVERSE gathering (and that also means having viewpoints from other religions as well.) The typical method usually follows the Socrotirian method of quesitioning and answering. Its funny how people usually assosiate Islam with a religion that does not allows questioning where I can verily tell you that is not the case at all.

posted May 10, 2008 04:51 PM            

Barack Obama had refused to disown his pastor as he refused to disown his white grandmother. Many whites criticized him for throwing his grandmother under a bus. All Barack did was point out that his grandmother made racial remarks about Blacks. How is telling the truth about his white grandmother throwing her under a bus. It's okay for white people to point a black person's racism, but its not okay to point out a white person's racism? I just don't get that at all. It seems like a double standard. Many whites criticize Obama for not disowning his pastor much earlier. Have they ever heard of the sell-out factor? Obama would have been in a dillemma: please whites in America and anger blacks in America for rejecting a pastor who is prominent in the Black community and who is known for doing a lot to help Blacks which would result in being a sell-out by Blacks OR please blacks in America and anger whites in America and be called a racist by Whites. These are issues that we bi-ethnic Black,White people deal with. They are often challenged to make a choice when it comes to having affinity with whites or having affinity with blacks. Abolutionist,Frederick Douglass was the son of black woman and white man. He was married to a black woman for a long time until her death. Later on,he married a white woman. He was given a hard time by both blacks and whites. Blacks accused him of betraying Blacks by being with a white woman. Today that's being called a sell-out. His response was that his first wife was the color of his mother,and now his second wife is the color of his father. He wanted to make a point that he wasn't all black and that he acknowledge both his white and black parents. He believed that being married to a white woman shouldn't be a problem for he is half white. Frederick Douglass was the embodiment of unity of Blacks and Whites. Barack Obama has denounced his pastor, and he still is being criticized by whites for taking too long to denounce him, but he's also being criticized by blacks for denouncing him too. The conflict of the black and white halves inside him and mirrored by the outside world are very apparent.

posted May 10, 2008 04:53 PM            

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Yes, thanks due to the west for uniting savage people and giving them a state.
Who knows if they were influenced also by the free market policies of them.
Look all this does not matter, point is they are growing. You are taking a lop sided opinion by including good cases while I was focussing on negative ones to make a point.

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... Alright, now I know I can't count on anything you say as fact. The development of the region came in the form of forigen investment Mannu; NOT forigen influence. The countries in question ALLOWED forigen investment in for development and the free maket socities existed within the region way back to the times of the Persian Empire which later on was adopted by the regions of its influence.

Did I not say you need to brush up on your history?

I argue againt your statement because I have always argued against any sweeping remark made by anyone on this forum without anything credible to back up the claim they are making and you are no exception to that rule Mannu.

posted May 10, 2008 04:57 PM            

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Yes, thanks due to the west for uniting savage people and giving them a state.

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But not this:

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Who knows if they were influenced also by the free market policies of them?

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Geez. Thats why it was a question.

posted May 10, 2008 05:02 PM            

>>>Nobody has the right to kill a person.

You are disillusioned and speak out of good intentions. I have discussed this on other threads.

posted May 10, 2008 05:07 PM            

Take the Middle Eastern nation of Saudi Arabia for instance always had a solidarity over its borders starting from 1744. Yes there were border disputes but they were eventually worked out with a series of treaties. The only inregion civil war broke out in 1865. Much after that, there was little developement within the region until it was King Abdul Aziz (not a forigen power ) who stressed the importance of economic developement and shifted key regional policies for infrastructure development and so forth.

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Who knows if they were influenced also by the free market policies of them?

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