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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 12, 2008 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o

+++FORWARD THIS VIDEO TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW - NOW!!!+++
This, my friends, is the ultimate clip regarding WMD lies - the clip we have all been waiting for. All the lies of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell compiled together, brilliantly done, with some great "extra" material.

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posted May 12, 2008 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Bush lies about sept. 11th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60&NR=1

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posted May 12, 2008 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a video I found of an Irish TV interview with President Bush. I later found out that this interview was not shown on American television because it was banned!

BANNED Pres. Bush Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fze2J2Ve9is&feature=related

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posted May 12, 2008 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No thanks, no Kool-Aid for me.

I'll take the word of the real scientists...physicists, chemists, metallurgists, structural engineers, highrise architects and fire insurance investigators and firemen/women over the word of the publicity seeking bullshiit artists every time.

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There are plenty of those who agree with the so-called "bullshiit".

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posted May 12, 2008 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Expert testimony on 9/11

This documentary serves as expert testimony as to the reasons Americans should question the official story that we were told about the 9/11 tragedy. (www.archiveoflight.com)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuxOZJN4dHg


EVIDENCE OF THERMITE AT THE SOUTH TOWER

BYU physicist Professor Steven Jones told peers at a Utah meeting that, "while almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail, the combination of thermite and sulfur "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."

Jones points to this video which shows a bright yellow molten substance dripping from the south tower minutes before its collapse. Government investigators claimed that this was aluminum from Flight 175 but Jones is adamant that aluminum is silvery in appearance and doesn't turn yellow.

Jones also told the media that sulfur traces found at ground zero indicates the thermite was combined with sulphur to make it burn even hotter than the normal 2500 degrees Celsius.

Jones stated that thermite was a "clever" choice because its ingredients, aluminum and iron oxide do not require identifying tags by law, meaning they couldn't be traced back to their manufacturers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv2ck2qsiGA&feature=related


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posted May 12, 2008 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More youtube bullshiit.

Now, where's the direct Bush quotes..including the day, place and event in which he lied to lead America into war..along with a credible source..like a major newspaper or broadcast news show?

Put up or...

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posted May 12, 2008 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conspiracy 9/11 - complete conclusion

BBC Conspiracy files 9/11 - complete conclusion, with information once kept from the public. Lies about Al Queda. Alleged 9/11 paymaster Omar Saeed Sheikh confessed to being funded and supported by Pakistan and the ISI. American agents were threatened with prosecution if they didnt hush this up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymWIHivLMKA&feature=related

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posted May 12, 2008 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 12, 2008 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've put up.

Its time you shut up.

There it is, right before your eyes.

Bush says one thing in one clip, and the opposite in the next.

If that is not proof, then what is?


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posted May 12, 2008 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put up or shut....time HSC.

Now, where's the documentation where Bush told the lie or lies which led America into war. Date, location, event..and the lie..as recorded by a credible news source...and the news site on the Internet where those quotes can be seen..attributed to Bush by a credible news person?

You're just blowing smoke out of your own butt here HSC. I know it and you know it.

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posted May 12, 2008 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL

Its not about attributing anything, jfluff. He is right there saying it.

I dont care if it was filmed on a camcorder or a cell phone, fer Chrissake.

Open your eyes already.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."


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posted May 12, 2008 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jwhop,
What do you think about the short clip of George saying that he saw the first plane hit the tower while watching a news show right before he went into that classroom (the clip that the nation saw, which credible new sources said was George hearing about the second plane hitting for the first time)? He said he watched the first plane hit and thought "oh, what a bad pilot". Do you think he made a mistake about "watching" the first plane hit? It seems like an unrealistic mistake. It seems reasonable for the president to remember where he was when he first learned of this news.
If he made a mistake, why do you think he made that mistake? It seems like a weird mistake to say he was sitting outside and then that the television was on and then that he saw the first plane hit while watching television so his first reaction was that it was only a bad pilot. And he is the one who said this so that is a credible source.
I hear you saying that is not enough to prove he then started a war on false grounds (and I hear others saying there is more information). I just wonder what you think of that bit of information, if you don't mind explaining.

~M


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posted May 12, 2008 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's got you Jwhop. No doubt about it.

Bush did indeed state that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, which turned out to be completely false.

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posted May 12, 2008 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one has me and no one has Bush telling lies to lead America to war.

You have to be pretty dim to not understand the difference between a lie...a deliberate misstatement of fact intended to deceive and a mistake of fact.

Now tell me again about that lie.

George Tenet, Director Central Intelligence comes into a meeting with Bush...He slams his hand down on the table and says..."it's a slam dunk Mr President, Saddam has weapons of mass destruction.

So, tell me about that lie Bush told again. You know, the lie Bush told to lead America to war.

While you're at it, you can call the heads of every western nation and the heads of their intelligence agencies liars too because they all thought Saddam had WMD.

Saddam's generals thought there were WMD which would be available for their use if the US invaded Iraq.

You're just pis$ing into the wind with this nonsense.

While we're on the subject of pis$ing into the wind. Imagine this...all you 9/11 conspiracy nuts.

The guy..Bush, who was clever enough to plan the attack on the WTC, somehow slipping demolition teams into the WTC while the buildings were occupied over long periods of time...because it takes a very long time, weeks and sometimes a month or more to lay and wire enough explosives to bring down a building of that size...never mind..somehow Bush managed it all...but, Bush the mastermind wasn't clever enough to plant some WMD in Iraq to be found by teams roaming all over the countryside.

Psssst, hey Mack, why don't you take a squad out Baghdad Road. About 12 miles out you'll start seeing the signs.."This way to Saddam's WMD". Can't miss it.

Hahaha It takes a real pissant mind to believe a word of that bullshiit.

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posted May 12, 2008 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you might be ignoring me, jwhop. I just wanted you to know that I wasn't being a smart-ass and I don't have a belief in one thing or another (in case you are thinking I am on the "side" against your beliefs). Actually, I thought if others were being brainwashed by these conspiracy theories (which I think is your position), your point of view might shed some light. I do see your point about orchestrating 911 but not orchestrating WMDs as well.
My question mainly has to do with wondering if it was a case of our government telling us one thing and doing another (for whatever reasons) or just some sort of intellectual blundering (but it seems unusually severe) or if there is another possibility you see.
I'm not sure if you think my question isn't worth your time or I'm not worth your time, but I guess I can live with either and both, although it saddens me some.

I'll get over it.
Have a good one.


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posted May 12, 2008 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many times will the word "lie" have to be defined for you before you comprehend it?

6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.

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George Tenet, Director Central Intelligence comes into a meeting with Bush...He slams his hand down on the table and says..."it's a slam dunk Mr President, Saddam has weapons of mass destruction.

Another lie.

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The guy..Bush, who was clever enough to plan the attack on the WTC, somehow slipping demolition teams into the WTC while the buildings were occupied over long periods of time...because it takes a very long time, weeks and sometimes a month or more to lay and wire enough explosives to bring down a building of that size...never mind..somehow Bush managed it all...but, Bush the mastermind wasn't clever enough to plant some WMD in Iraq to be found by teams roaming all over the countryside.

Strangely, Jwhop's reminding me of Bill Maher!

"How do we know Bush wasn't behind September 11th? Because it worked." - Bill Maher

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posted May 13, 2008 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naw MM, I'm not ignoring you. Why would I? I just didn't see your first comment.

As for George...as you call him seeing the first plane strike the WTC before he went into the classroom; that's the way I understood it. I don't believe he made a mistake. At that time no one knew the WTC or America was actually under a terrorist attack. The air traffic control had notified NORAD that a plane had been hijacked and perhaps by the time the second plane had struck, it was pretty clear it wasn't just about hijacking.

As for Bush, he got the word of the second plane while he was in the classroom and didn't see that on television. I don't see any inconsistencies there at all.

Some twits attempted to make an issue of Bush continuing reading to the class...after he knew but then, they don't know what was happening in the background.

First thing is that Bush is under the protection of the Secret Service. They call the shots when there's a credible threat to the President or even a possible threat.

While Bush was reading, plans, including flight plans for Air Force One were being changed which probably meant refueling for a flight of undetermined length. So Bush could have jumped up, rushed off to the air strip but the plane probably wasn't ready and neither had the Secret Service had time to arrange an alternative route back to the plane. With the President under a possible threat, they wouldn't have normally taken the same route back...too much predictability. Bush was safer where he was with protection all around the building and on the grounds of the school...until all the plans were made and the plane was ready to fly.

There's just too much for the conspiracy nuts to overcome. There's the various sciences and scientists who have looked at the video and done the calculations after studying the building plans, structural loading and all the rest. That should be enough but not if the nuts want to continue their jihad against Bush.

If there were explosives used the residue would have been all over the building debris. Simple science to check, nothing new there since every explosive leaves it's own trace residue. Further, building debris was on the site for at least a month and probably a lot longer.

But here's something I haven't said anything about before, so let's get your unbiased opinion about what it might mean.

WTC1 was struck between the 94th and 98th floors. There were 110 stories in the building.

Now, think about what would have to be true if demolition charges were set in the building in advance.

You and just about everyone else on earth has seen the video of the building coming down as the floors collapsed one after another all the way to the bottom starting with the impact floor(s) and windows blowing out of the building.

What you didn't see and no one else saw either were windows being blown out on floors higher than the impact point of the airplane(s) as the floors below collapsed.

But, how did the hijackers know What floor of the WTC to fly the plane into? You see the problem? It wouldn't do at all to set explosives on floors ABOVE the planned impact floor. Imagine all those windows blowing out on floors 99-110...above the point were floor joists began to fail. That couldn't be explained by all the science in the world. I mean the floor joists fail on floor...say 94 triggering a sequential event of failing floor joists and collapse...but, the windows on floors ABOVE are being blown out of the building on floors 99-110. Definitely, there would be something fishy there...but it didn't happen that way.

Those planes were doing about 450 knots and I don't think anyone is going to believe the pilot was counting floors to make sure he hit the right one.

What would have happened if he had struck..say floor 49 and when the building started collapsing windows on floors 50-110 suddenly blew out one floor after the other?

For the conspiracy nuts to be right, the demolition teams would have had to know in advance how high up to set explosives...and no higher and the pilot would have had to know which floor to ram the 767 into and have hit it perfectly. Yet, these guys flying those planes had no actual experience flying a real 767 and probably no actual pilot experience in anything else.

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posted May 13, 2008 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"George Tenet, Director Central Intelligence comes into a meeting with Bush...He slams his hand down on the table and says..."it's a slam dunk Mr President, Saddam has weapons of mass destruction.
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Another lie....acoustic"

A LIE acoustic? Are you sure acoustic that Tenet didn't tell Bush, "it's a slam dunk, Saddam has WMD? Huh, Duh, that's exactly what Bob Woodward wrote in his book...after interviewing Bush, Tenet and every other administration official he wanted to interview.

I'm beginning to wonder if English is your first language acoustic. You seem so....linguistically challenged.

How is it you don't know that for a statement to be a LIE, the speaker must know it's a LIE when he says it and the speakers intent must be to deceive whom ever is hearing it.

I'm trying to determine something you're actually good at acoustic. It's sure not language..at least not English. It's sure not analysis or reading with comprehension

Perhaps you should start your education all over acoustic..at the beginning. There, you will learn the joy of words, what they mean in the real world and how to actually use them.

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posted May 13, 2008 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duh and double Duh.

George Tenet got slam-dunked yesterday.

Officially, the CIA director resigned for personal reasons. CIA officials say he wasn't pushed. President Bush says he's sorry to see Tenet go. "He's done a superb job on behalf of the American people," Bush said. Tenet's seven-year tenure was eventful and embattled.

Yet his legacy may distill into a taunting shorthand: slam-dunk.

As in, it was a "slam-dunk" that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. Or so Tenet said, with the kind of unambiguous self-assurance that Bush so admires. These will go down as Tenet's famous last words, even though he uttered them more than a year ago.

"George, how confident are you?" the president asked Tenet, in an exchange depicted in Bob Woodward's book "Plan of Attack."

"Don't worry, it's a slam-dunk," Tenet said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14030-2004Jun3.html

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posted May 13, 2008 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This from a guy who doesn't comprehend a simple scale used in a poll.

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posted May 13, 2008 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop, I really enjoyed your post. Thanks so much for the thorough response. I had to read it a few times but I think I understand what you are trying to explain to me. You are saying that if bombs were set on many floors, then probably some were set above where the plane hit (since it would be impossible to pick an exact floor to hit) and we would have seen the windows blowing out if that were the case. I don't really have enough knowledge of the conspiracy theory of 911 to argue the opposite side of that and I am always of the opinion that if it is true, there is nothing I can do about it so I might as well enjoy life until the chaos culminates. Learn, love and grow. Avoid spending time in fear. But, your point does make sense from my point of view (a non-engineer).

About the George thing... I guess I didn't understand how he saw the first plane hit on tv, since they wouldn't have had cameras on the World Trade Center before the first plane hit, so I wondered what he was talking about.
That did seem a little weird to me. Am I misunderstanding that?
I don't think it was wrong for him to sit in the classroom. He is a Cancer and he did seem stunned and worried. I think it was good that he was thinking. What you said about the secret service creating an alternate route makes some sense to me as well.

Thanks again for sharing your perspective.

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posted May 13, 2008 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
9/11 Truth: MIT Engineer Jeff King Says WTC Demolished

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8XToX7aSdg

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posted May 13, 2008 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
9/11 truth vs. mainstream media

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNsSn6D3CP4&feature=related

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posted May 13, 2008 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=related

Bombs, explosions, secondary explosions, explosive devices....how many more times do we need to hear these words being said by 9/11 witnesses before we start asking questions about what really happened on that awful day?

This video shows that many actual 9/11 witnesses heard and saw explosions going off inside the towers, long before they actually fell. These witnesses include police, firemen and mainstream media reporters.

And what is even more shocking is the fact that all of this has been ignored by the mainstream media.

We really need to wake up to the facts and ask questions. If we don't, what does that say about us?

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