posted May 23, 2008 04:49 PM            

I think there have been several threads on this forum about demoscat lies.

Congressman admits Dems “stretched the facts” about stopping the war to get elected
By see-dubya • May 23, 2008 08:47 AM Headline says it all:

As Jeff Emanuel notes, there’s an extra little dollop of condescension to leaven all that honesty:

“Now anybody was a good student of Government,” said Kanjorski, “would know that wasn’t true [that they “could stop the war”].” Fortunately for those Democrats who campaigned, and were elected, based on their war-ending promises, their hardcore supporters, their activists, and their base of voters, are all made up of people who are, by Mr. Kanjorski’s reckoning, very, very poor students of Government.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/23/congressman-admits-dems-stretched-the-facts-about-stopping-the-war-to-get-elected/

But all of that was justified to these incumbents and first-time candidates. Taking advantage of poor, uneducated rubes? Abusing trust, and leaving those who offered it stranded along the way? All acceptable — because, again by Mr. Kanjorski’s own description, of “the temptation to want to win back the Congress.”

As Krusty the Klown once remarked, “Oh crap, I said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud!”

posted June 18, 2008 03:12 PM            

Of course, that's not what he's been telling his supporters. To them, he says he will pull all US forces out of Iraq within 16 months...and Iraq can just live with the consequences...regardless of how many Iraqis lose their lives for trusting the United States and establishing a secular representative government there.

June 18, 2008
Iraqi Foriegn Minister Lectures Obama about "new realities"
Rick Moran

Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari and Barack Obama had a conversation this week in which the presidential candidate said he would be visiting Iraq before the election. This is welcome news because as the Washington Post says in this editorial, it's about time for Obama to change his outdated views on what is happening in Iraq:

Mr. Zebari, who has served as foreign minister in every Iraqi government since 2003, finds Mr. Obama's proposal worrying. In a meeting with Post editors and reporters Tuesday, he said that after all the pain and sacrifices of the past five years, "we are just turning the corner in Iraq." A precipitous withdrawal, he said, "would create a huge vacuum and undo all the gains and achievements. And the others" -- enemies of the United States -- "would celebrate."

Mr. Zebari said he told Mr. Obama that "Iraq is not an island." In other words, an American withdrawal that destabilized the country would also roil the region around it and embolden U.S. adversaries such as al-Qaeda and Iran. "We have a deadly enemy," Mr. Zebari said. "When he sees that you commit yourself to a certain timetable, he will use this to increase pressure and attacks, to make it look as though he is forcing you out. We have many actors who would love to take advantage of that opportunity." Mr. Zebari says he believes U.S. forces can and should be drawn down. His point is that reductions should be made gradually, as the Iraqi army becomes stronger.

The foreign minister said "my message" to Mr. Obama "was very clear. . . . Really, we are making progress. I hope any actions you will take will not endanger this progress." He said he was reassured by the candidate's response, which caused him to think that Mr. Obama might not differ all that much from Mr. McCain. Mr. Zebari said that in addition to promising a visit, Mr. Obama said that "if there would be a Democratic administration, it will not take any irresponsible, reckless, sudden decisions or action to endanger your gains, your achievements, your stability or security. Whatever decision he will reach will be made through close consultation with the Iraqi government and U.S. military commanders in the field."

Are these just pleasant noises being made by Obama for the benefit of Zebari? Or is he truly serious about abandoning his stupid, self defeating "timetable" and allowing events on the ground to dictate policy?

We have had hints that Obama is merely throwing red meat to the left wing of his party when he talks about his draconian timetable for withdrawing a combat brigade or two a month. His sort of former aide Samantha Powers let on that he didn't really mean he would withdraw all troops in 16 months, that it was simply a "best case scenario" for withdrawal.

Everyone with an ounce of sense knows that Obama won't be able to deliver on his outdated promises to withdraw American troops so precipitously. Why then can't Obama and McCain have a true debate about our mission in Iraq and its future? Because any deviation - any retreat by Obama from his stated goal of bringing the troops home will be met with cries of outrage from the defeatists in his own party. So the charade of withdrawal will continue until election day.

posted June 19, 2008 02:09 PM            

Rather than a "summit", I believe the war is on the downhill grade with the field of battle(s) narrowed to Mosul in the north. It's really a moping up operation now.

That's not to say there won't be further attacks in Baghdad...which the press will dutifully report in screeching headlines but the Iraqi military and police units have taken over most of the heavy lifting.

posted June 19, 2008 07:34 PM            

If we stay the course and keep doing what we are doing- meaning the rebuilding, restructuring and training... we will all come out ahead. Does this mean tons of oil? Nope... we really don't gain much in that arena, contrary to the bleeding hearts that preached this was ALL about OIL for BLOOD.

Call me an optimistic Saggie... but my heart tells me that when we look back on this, we will see all the positive we have done. The naysayers will look like passive idiots, similar to those that pushed for isolationism that lead to the death of millions of Jewish people, mentally retarted and the ones that fought for them (like my German great aunt that was in a concentration camp because her Lutheran parents thought Hitler was wrong. BTW.. she was the only survivor of her 10 person family)

posted June 20, 2008 09:09 AM              

RTTNews) - Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama said Wednesday that the U.S. should "finish the fight" against terror outfits al-Qaida and Taliban instead of sending troops to Iraq.

The first-term Illinois senator lambasted President George Bush and his Republican rival nominee John McCain for not holding Pakistan responsible for not doing enough to crack down the militant outfits operating within their borders.

"We should finish the fight against al-Qaida and Taliban instead of going into Iraq. We need to take more resources and put them in Afghan - at least two additional combat brigades and $1 billion in non-military assistance each year," Obama said during a Retired Flag Officers event.

"We are not going to get Afghanistan right until we get our Pakistan policy right," he said.

He said record shows that Bush and McCain have been weak on terrorism. Their approach has miserably failed and because of their disastrous policies, Americans are less safe, less respected, less able to lead the world.

"It's time to end the war in Iraq responsibly. It's time to stop wasting time and start putting away terrorists. It's time to finally take out al-Qaida's top leadership and to finish the fight in Afghanistan," he said.

Obama's sharp attacks follow criticism by McCain that he lacked the national security expertise needed to become president and that he is naive in foreign policy issues.

The Illinois senator 's top foreign policy adviser Susan Rice also ridiculed both Bush and McCain in a teleconference with reporters.

She said: "What Obama's got and all these people lack is judgment on critical foreign policy issues of the day. There are two ways to fight this war on terrorism: smart and stupid. We've had seven years of stupidity on the part of Bush and McCain."

She said the Americans had Osama bin Laden and his cadre trapped in Tora Bora and this administration allowed them to escape. They diverted attention from Afghanistan and al-Qaida and sent troops to a war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11.

She said despite spending $1 trillion and losing over 4,000 American lives in Iraq, Americans are less safe and U.S' standing in the world is reduced. The Taliban is on the resurgence with more attacks being carried out in Afghanistan today.

Stung by barrage of attacks, the McCain campaign ducked for cover and tried to divert the issue by stressing the need for a civil debate on the issues.

His top financial adviser Randy Scheunemann pleaded for an honest, civil debate about the issues. He said they would like to talk about their respective positions on things like designating Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group or on consequences of withdrawal from Iraq and what that would do to strengthen al-Qaida in Iraq.

posted June 23, 2008 11:25 PM            

On the other hand, McCain, though he's been on the scene and in the spotlight so to speak for more than 20 years, remains an unknown quantity and quality.

O'Bomber's image is totally fake. He's come off as the Messiah of change, of hope, someone new and different from the same old, same old politics as usual. Now, his mask has been ripped off and underneath is just the same old tired leftist Marxist drivel and leftist politics as usual. O'Bomber didn't earn the title of "most liberal Senator" for nothing.

McCain gives so many mixed signals it's hard to get a handle on him. I really don't like politicians who will say anything and do anything to get themselves elected. He's constantly shifting his positions on important issues...and then, seemingly shifting back again.

On immigration reform, he said he got it...what the people were telling him. No amnesty for illegal aliens. Then, later in his campaign, he's talking about "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" all over again.

I must say that neither of these guys strike me as a real leader. Real leaders don't read polls and react to public opinion in the moment. They're right, know they're right, know why they're right and stick to their guns while everyone else is milling around attempting to cash in on public opinion in the moment...which is a fleeting thing and subject to change.

posted June 23, 2008 11:52 PM              

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O'Bomber's image is totally fake. He's come off as the Messiah of change, of hope, someone new and different from the same old, same old politics as usual.

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precisely...like i said , our papers extensively coverd the primaries becoz of the face off with Hillary...the Iowa primary in particular becoz he won a state with a majority of whites...the article spoke of how people at his meetings cry and have tears intheir eyes and pray...geesh..he came of sounding like Christ. and this kind of news coverage was repeated for months.

what spooks me is that the paper i read, is the best selling oldest one..most American Residents ( read registered voters ) of Indian sub contienent origin either have subscriptions or read it online.