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cancerrg
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posted June 07, 2008 02:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a sunny little café on the stridently liberal campus town of Stanford University, I’m poring over the morning papers, wolfing down a heap of waffles and wondering at the paradox that is America.

California’s Supreme Court, the papers tell me, has upheld the legality of same-sex marriages. In a week from now, marriage licences here will replace the words ‘bride and groom’ with ‘Partner A and Partner B’. The Los Angeles Times writes that county clerks have been warned to be on standby for an “onslaught of weddings”. The story is jostling for front-page space with the giant political lead of the day — Hillary Clinton’s defeat in the primaries and furious analysis on whether race has trumped gender in a country clamouring for change.

It’s probably only in America that legalising gay unions causes less of a social stir (albeit only in ultra-progressive California) than the possibility of a woman running for President. But then, this is a country where women got the right to vote only in 1919, and where, in 2008, a new Republican President may yet reverse a woman’s right to abortion.

It all seems bizarrely contradictory and retrograde to me. Then again, perhaps, I’m watching it all through the prism of my own peculiar Indian paradox. After all, I come from a country where a mere grimace on Sonia Gandhi’s face can make grown Congressmen tremble; where Mayawati’s unsparing toughness can make mincemeat of Amar Singh’s bluster and where Indira Gandhi was (strangely) happy to embrace the cliché of being the ‘only man’ in her cabinet. Our President is a woman; we have had a woman in the Prime Minister’s chair for more than 15 years and our Chief Ministers have routinely been women. We condescendingly tell our American friends, that all this happened in our country without fuss our fury. Yet, we know, that the lives of millions of Indian women remain untouched by which gender gets entry to the political powerhouse of New Delhi. And if America still debates abortion in the 21st century, India holds the ignominious record of killing nearly two million baby girls before they are even born, just because they are female.

It’s the classic feminist conundrum. Do more women in politics really end up changing the lives of other women? Or are they compelled to neuter themselves in order to play with the Big Boys? When they win, they are happy to be to be dressed up in adjectives borrowed from an essentially male wardrobe — after all, words like ‘tough’, ‘ambitious’, ‘ruthless’ have the ring of power to them. But if they lose, do they use gender as an excuse to play the female victim? To that end, the questions Americans are asking about Hillary have a resonance for any woman who has had operate in a space dominated by men.

Did Hillary lose because she came across as clinical, cold and status-quoist, especially in comparison with the glib charm, magical oratory and man-of-the-earth persona of Obama? Was she forced out of the race because Bill Clinton became baggage to leave behind instead of luggage to take forward? Or did she lose because Obama was, in fact, more Clintonian than she was ever able to be? (Notice how he works the crowds, making every stranger feels like the object of individual attention; it may remind you of the old Bill.) And then the clincher: was she pushed out of the race because she was a woman?

Geraldine Ferraro, among the first American women to run for a major political post, unleashed a barrage of abuse when she proclaimed that “if Obama were a White man, he would not be in this position”. Now she has demanded that Harvard University scientifically research whether ‘sexism’ destroyed Hillary’s bid for being President. Another writer, Judith Warner, argues that it is no coincidence that the “idiocy” of Sex and the City exploded over the world stage just as Hillary’s candidacy was self-destructing. Her subtext: there’s no space in the post-feminist world for intelligent women who don’t whimper about men and Manolo Blahniks. And if they wear pantsuits, instead of little black dresses, well then, they don’t stand a chance at surviving.

You may hate her or love her, but there’s no doubt that the Clinton campaign has been at the receiving end of some pretty gross misogyny. There’s the man who screamed, “Iron my shirt,” at one of her election rallies. The crass impersonations of her cackle on television talk shows makes you almost want to give her your sympathy vote. The mass sales of a Hillary Clinton ‘nutcracker’ toy with shark-teeth between her legs is a pretty scary example of how sexism will first target female sexuality. There’s no doubt, as several commentators have noted, that similar jokes about Black people or Jews would have sent America into a paroxysm of self-loathing.

But here’s the problem: the Clinton camp succumbed to the gender game. Party strategists first pushed Hillary into playing cool and detached, so that male voters would be willing to look upon her as a potentially tough ‘Commander in Chief’ of America’s military forces. They didn’t want her to seem too ‘womanly’. Halfway through, when the best press Hillary had got in days came from her almost “choking up with tears” at an informal roundtable coffee with other women, her aides changed tack. She needed to seem more ‘female’; she needed to go on to women’s talk shows; she needed her Oprah moment, her bad-hair days, and yes — even, especially— her tears.

Therein lies the rub. Women — whether in politics, media or business — can’t have it both ways. We can’t demand to be judged irrespective of our gender if we also plan to manipulate our sexual identity to our advantage. We can’t both play the game and pretend to be sitting it out. We can’t deliberately act ‘female’ and complain about male bias.

Hillary’s failed campaign is proof that women will always be scrutinised in a way that men never ever have to suffer. They will watch what we wear, how we laugh, who we sleep with, get married to or not married to; whether we are fat, thin, blonde or ugly — and the better we get at our work — the more microscopic will be the attention.

But equally, we have to be able to stare back at the gawking crowds with honesty and without apology. If we don’t have the confidence in ourselves, why should anyone else believe in us? Hillary Clinton didn’t lose because she was a woman. She lost because she allowed her gender to script roles that had her vacillate between playing aggressor and victim. She lost because she didn’t have the gumption to be herself.

Barkha Dutt is Group Editor, English News, NDTV

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cancerrg
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posted June 07, 2008 02:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is in continuation to JWHOP' thread sans the political angle (thats why i posted it here)

ladies , yours are appreciated .

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PeaceAngel
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posted June 07, 2008 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't think that hc lost because she didn't have the gumption to be herself. i think the opposite. i think she was herself and she is just not likeable. if people were really thinking with their heads rather than their relative genitals they would see that it's not right that women would vote for her just because she's a woman either. i believe in fairness - right person for the right job.

the difference between india and the u.s. - from my perspective, and i'm an australian female - is that the position of the president of the u.s. is perceived as being the ruler of the world. how much international interest do indian politics receive? the only time i can think of is when they have tested nuclear weopons or there is high conflict with pakistan. whereas american politics are part of our every day news - even here in australia they will take precedence over local news items.

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posted June 07, 2008 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cancerrg, there was no political angle in what I posted about the shabby way Hillary was treated by the democrat party elites.

I made it abundantly clear I don't like Hillary Clinton or her politics.

My post was about fairness, the fairness which was totally missing in the democrat presidential primary nominating process.

It's a process where party elitists...read the DNC elitists and "Super Delegates" can nominate anyone they damned well please by overriding the will and intent of primary voters. They can do this because "Super Delegates" constitute about 1/3 of the delegates needed to nominate the democrat candidate for president.

The practical reality is that even if Hillary had stastistically garnered 65% of the regular delegates to 34% for O'Bomber, the "Super Delegates" could have nominated O'Bomber. It's a deliberately flawed process intended to keep democrat party elitists in total control of the party nominating process and the voting public be damned.

The utterly shameless way the democrat party elitists disenfranchised democrat voters in Florida and Michigan is key to understanding that their rhetoric is empty. Their battle cry has been "Count Every Vote" and now, it's seen for the empty BS it really is when it's understood they deliberately didn't count every vote and even gave O'Bomber 59 delegates in Michigan where not one vote was cast for O'Bomber. It matters not that O'Bomber didn't put himself on the Michigan ballot.

Now cancerrg, you can say this post is political too. You could say every utterance is political in one way or another but the facts are clear as to what happened and whom made it happen.

The "fix" was in and Hillary got shafted by the democrat party elitists who decided to NOT count every vote and even gave delegates to Hillary's opponent who didn't earn a single one of them.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004229.html

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cancerrg
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posted June 07, 2008 11:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chill Man Chill!
i meant political only bcos it was at GU .

no offences were meant .

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jwhop
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posted June 07, 2008 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cancerrg, I didn't take offense to your comment nor am I attacking you.

Still, what I said on GU needed to be put in context, the factual context in which I wrote it in the first place.

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posted June 07, 2008 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem with women in positions of power (not specifically HC) is that we haven't yet come to terms with the fact that women can be female and powerful simultaneously. As soon as more people understand this, the inequity should slowly fall away. That means we have to go through the trials of women exchanging their femininity for more acceptable masculine qualities. In the long run it won't work because it's not right.

It's a process, and like all processes, this will take time.

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posted June 07, 2008 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a gay man this whole issue of female/male is very strange to me, because from my perspective, there really isn't that much fundamental difference between males and females. I think most of these differences are exaggerated in the form of societal constructs portrayed in TV, which in turn affects the culture. Regardless, the ability of a person to do a job, has little or nothing to do with gender. In fact I find gender and gender roles to be far more fluid than portrayed in the medial.

From my perspective, hillary clinton personifies a lot of what most people would consider masculine energy, but this is only seen as masculine because of the way society treats the position of power. I think because of their sex drive, women and men are hung up on the idea of gender and how gender dictates roles and power hierarchies. In it's true essence, all people are male and female, your genitals don't really make you anything. Everyone is just a person.

As a gay man I stand outside of this structure and have a more objective view of what makes a woman and what makes a man. I hope that people will begin to see that gender is really meaningless, and is just something that has been created in order to facilitate certain cultural customs and values. If someone sounds and looks like a woman, but has male genitals, is that a man or a woman? what about someone borth with male external parts, and female external? what about the reverse? If I had all my genitals removed, what would I be then?

The same goes for race, another culturally constructed separation. Science shows that the genetic difference between two people of the same race is on average greater than the averge of genetic differences between races. race is really meaningless, and people organize around it because human beings are highly visual creatures and we like to pick apart things based how they look.

I hope people can begin to move beyond the visual experience and evaluate things at a great than surface level.

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