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posted August 29, 2008 12:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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DAYTON, Ohio - Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain introduced his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, at a raucous rally Friday in Ohio, praising her "tenacity" and "skill" in tackling tough problems.

Palin becomes the first woman to serve on a GOP presidential ticket and the first Alaskan to appear on a national ticket.

"She is exactly who this country needs to help us fight the same old Washington politics of me first and country second," McCain told his Dayton, Ohio, audience.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25970882/?GT1=43001#storyContinued

Dick Morris was right:

By Dick Morris And Eileen McGann 08.24.2008 Published in The New York Post on August 24, 2008.

It doesn’t take a political genius to realize that Barack Obama needed to nominate a woman for vice president.

Obama’s key problem is that there is no gender gap. In the most recent Zogby poll, he runs only two points better among women than among men. A Democrat should be running 10 to 15 points better among women.

If Obama is to have a hope of winning, he needs to improve his performance among female voters. A Fox News poll indicated that only about half of those who backed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the primaries are voting for Obama and that fully one in five plans to support John McCain.


Attractive to women voters because of his maverick positions on issues and his willingness to defy the Republican orthodoxy, McCain is garnering votes from women who should be part of Obama’s core constituency.

So why didn’t Obama name a woman? He couldn’t nominate Hillary because she came with so much baggage that he’d be spending his entire campaign swatting away charges directed at the Clintons. It would have been priceless to see Obama trying to justify Bill’s refusal to publish the names of the donors to his library or to explain what Bill is doing in Dubai and Kazakhstan.

But what about Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius? While not a national figure, she is attractive, articulate and would have made a fine candidate.

However, Obama was terrified that the Clintons would wreak vengeance if he named a woman other than Hillary. Yet it was all a bluff. Hillary’s delegates would have celebrated the selection of a woman.

Obama wimped out.

The fact that he named Joe Biden as his vice presidential candidate will have relatively little impact on the strategic framework of the race.

Biden was the best of the names on Obama’s short list. His experience in foreign affairs, his tough advocacy of the Democratic agenda, and his skill at handling himself will all help Obama’s campaign, but not decisively. The other options were worse. Tim Kaine, governor of Virginia, had as little experience as Obama. Evan Bayh, senator from Indiana, is too soft-spoken and mild for a rough and tumble campaign.

But the most important thing is that Obama did not choose a woman. He needed one.

Now, John McCain can take advantage of Obama’s blunder by coming back with a female nominee for vice president. Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison would be an excellent choice. She’s been around for decades and is not going to start making mistakes now.

Her nomination would be a signal to American women that McCain takes their aspirations seriously, even if Obama does not.

I have previously written about the advantages of Joe Lieberman for vice president. His nomination would send a signal of bipartisanship which would be notable and would hasten Democratic defections. But conservatives would be horrified.

Obama’s failure to nominate a woman is such a glaring misstep that McCain should pounce and take advantage of it.

The ticket will nominally be Obama-Biden. But, to millions of American women it will be Obama and not Hillary.

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/08/24/obama-needed-a-woman-but-wimped-out/#more-413


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posted August 29, 2008 12:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, Sarah Palin is an Aquarian,

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posted August 29, 2008 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Always have had a soft spot for Alaska. Wonder how this will affect the polls. Kind of a wild card tossed in as, from what I gather, Palin isn't really known aside from her maverick reputation within the party. Neither Republican, as far as I know, fits the traditional mold. Do you think this will work for or against them? I'm thinking they'll actually have a broader appeal now. I wonder if the Obama camp is now wishing they'd gone with Hillary for VP ....

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posted August 29, 2008 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it should have been Hillary at the top of the democrat ticket and it would have been Hillary had not the DNC and the sycophant O'Bomber press played their little games to make it O'Bomber.

Hillary was far more qualified to be President though her resume is itself thin. O'Bomber has no resume to qualify him for the job at all.

It could have still been Hillary on the demoscat ticket which would have united the party.

Instead, O'Pollo O'Bomber descended on MT O'Limpus last night and in his usual blithering blathering empty rhetoric continued to point out why America isn't what it once was and why America is wrong...always wrong.

Today, McCain stepped up at high noon and sucker punched O'Pollo O'Bomber by nominating a conservative woman with far and away more qualifications to actually be President than O'Bomber himself and I'm talking about true executive experience.

When the first woman President of the United States is sworn into office in 4 or 8 years, don't be surprised if it's Sarah Palin. She has a real life story to tell which isn't filled with holes, hateful associates, corrupt politicians, corrupt business associates and corrupt business deals.

You've got to love the woman Governor of Alaska who auctioned the Alaska state executive jet on Ebay saying...Alaska doesn't need an executive jet and got more in the auction than was paid for it in the first place.

Oh yeah, Sarah Palin also rebuked her senior Senator from Alaska by saying...if we needed a bridge to nowhere, we'd build it ourselves.

demoscats, O'Bomber's campaign and the leftist O'Bomber press are beside themselves. A woman has been nominated for the Vice Presidency and it's not one of theirs.

Sarah Palin is going to be a great Vice President.


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posted August 29, 2008 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think what I'm witnessing more and more is that McCain likes to play games. He's more willing than he's ever been before to make moves out of political expedience rather than following his own integrity. From reconciling with Farwell to now picking a woman to replace Clinton, he's losing himself in this election. His handlers even have to keep him off the phone for fear that he'll speak the views of the latest person he's spoken with.

The tend to believe that the person who shows the most integrity will win this election.

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posted August 29, 2008 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
McCain nominated a true conservative who has fought the oil companies, special interests in Alaska, taken on the party establishment there including Senator Stevens..republican and brought democrats and independents into her administration.

She's exactly what O'Bomber and Biden say they are but aren't..uniters.

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posted August 29, 2008 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's a sign of desperation.

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posted August 29, 2008 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Says you Acoustic. I see it far differently.

There is desperation but that was going on in O'Bomber nation before McCain picked Palin. This pick only serves to heighten the desperation of O'Bomber/O'Biden.

Given the press noise about the lopsided split between democrat/republican registrations in America, O'Bomber should have been up 15-20 points...ahead of McCain. demoscats nominated an empty suit and the "suit" compounded that error by picking O'Biden.

Hahaha, O'Bomber sold himself to the weak minded as a "new kind of politican"...then, nominated the same type of old Washington party hack which usually rise to the top of the utterly corrupt demoscat party....the party which cheated Hillary out of the nomination by manipulating both the super delegates and denying Hillary the delegates she had already won...not to mention giving O'Bomber delegates from Michigan where he didn't even run.

So now, McCain nominates Sarah Palin and there's sour grapes all around for demoscats.

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posted August 29, 2008 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She is an asset to an old, tired, and troubled party

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posted August 29, 2008 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She certainly has more inner fortitude than McCain's been showing of late (or at least she's storied to be a person who follows her own compass), but I think at issue here is just more of the same attempt to woo Clinton backers, which is sad, because it's probably not real fair for her gender to be the reason behind her selection. Of course, she's decided to enter this race in the toughest of years, so she must believe she can exceed the limits of the reason she was brought on board.

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He was actually smart in making that desicion. A virgo and an Aquarian make an excellent team

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posted August 29, 2008 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG, I wasn`t voting for Hilary anyhow so gender is moot here.

But! I agree silverstone, an Aquarian and Virgo make a go - getting team

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posted August 29, 2008 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you juni. To that end and about 2 years ago I sent a letter to the RNC suggesting they find some bright, energetic and articulate conservatives to run against the current crop of wimp republicans. I specifically mentioned Chuck Hagel and John Warner...and Arlen Specter. I'm not claiming to have anything to do with Hagel and Warner deciding to retire.

Acoustic, you sound depressed...and well you should. You also seem to have a problem with strong women. McCain doesn't, proof being that he picked a tough conservative woman to be his VP who has more executive experience than either O'Bomber, NONE, or O'Biden, NONE..or himself for that matter.

Now, to show just how big the frauds in the demoscat party really are....you know, the party which SAYS they champion women's rights...the Governor of Colorado, Bill Ritter, just said Sarah Palin shouldn't have run for VP and should have stayed home with her children. He also managed to say she is not experienced enough to be VP. Strange things to say when Sarah has more executive experience than either of the demoscat nominees for Prez and Vice Prez.

I agree silverston. McCain picked a VP whose ideas are compatable with his own on most issues. O'Bomber picked a VP who is on record as saying O'Bomber doesn't have the experience to be President.

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AG, I wasn`t voting for Hilary anyhow so gender is moot here.

He's not working for your vote, though.

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Acoustic, you sound depressed...and well you should.

I finally make my prediction, and you think I sound depressed? That's positively silly!

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You also seem to have a problem with strong women.

Where'd you get that load?

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McCain doesn't, proof being that he picked a tough conservative woman to be his VP who has more executive experience than either O'Bomber, NONE, or O'Biden, NONE..or himself for that matter.

You mean a woman younger, less educated, with less Washington experience than Obama and Biden who has appeared in Vogue magazine? Who's also taxed oil much like Hillary suggested? Yeah, no, I think I have this one pegged absolutely correctly. McCain wants Hillary's crowd. He likes attacking Obama's experience, and just put a person of lesser experience on his ticket. Oh, the irony!

Executive experience? Really? She governs a state with a population smaller than San Francisco (which isn't a big city as far as big cities go). Perspective is everything.

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He made an intelligent choice. She practices what she preaches. That is so rare in politics. I had a feeling he would choose a woman, a strong woman at that.

She is one of the rare few that has a son that is a Soldier and will be deploying soon. I know his Brigade and he will be working his rear off downrange.

I don't believe for one minute that his choice was about playing games. Palin is the right choice, for the right time and I believe she has a greater future ahead of her.

I can't wait for the McCain and Palin presidency!

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AG, I wasn`t voting for Hilary anyhow so gender is moot here.
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He's not working for your vote, though.


silly me, I thought the Independent voter was important

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"Obama and Biden who has appeared in Vogue magazine?...Acoustic" Yes, yes, yes, why didn't I see it sooner? Experience in Washington consists of appearing in Vogue magazine.

Biden's experience in Washington consists of bombast, bloviation and baloney. He's touted as a foreign policy expert...but, he opposed the surge in Iraq...which worked.

His solution for Iraq consisted of breaking up Iraq into 3 ethnic areas. Now that move would have put an independent Kurdish state on Turkey's border which they would have moved against..for the oil and because there's a troublesome Kurdish rebellion in Turkey. Last thing Turkey would stand for is an independent Kurdish state on their border.

That move would have ceded the Shia population to Iran...and the oil fields.

That move would have ceded the Sunni population and territory to Saudi Arabia.

In short Acoustic, this birdbrained plan would have touched of at least a 3 nation war in the middle east as they fought over Iraq's oil and territory and perhaps Syria..with their Sunni Baathist population would have joined in.

Biden is a birdbrained moron who opposed the very plan which has already worked in Iraq. Some foreign policy expert.

If you wrote that prediction Acoustic, you must have written it in invisible ink.

Would you care to actually put that prediction on this thread?

Palin has decision making experience which she has put to good use. She's done more for the citizens of Alaska in a few short years than O'Bomber has done for citizens in his whole life...unless you count protesting America as a paid street protester...as experience for "good".

You seem oh so sensitive about Palin Acoustic. Why? You aren't going to vote for McCain/Palin anyway. One would logically think you would be overjoyed to see McCain make a huge mistake...as you see it.

Your dud duo. O'Bomber/O'Biden are already putting their feet in their mouths badmouthing Palin. One would think they too would be overjoyed with what they are characterizing as a giant swrewup.

However, their real problem is that it's not a screwup, it's the sinking of their electoral dingy.

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posted August 29, 2008 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Barack O'Pollo O'Bomber says John Mccain doesn't know what he's up against..meaning him.

If I were O'Bomber, I'd buckle that chin strap because he's in for a rocky ride.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/163813.html

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posted August 29, 2008 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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silly me, I thought the Independent voter was important

The independent vote is important, but seeing as you've already decided against Obama due to an association he's had in some capacity, McCain doesn't really have to do anything for your vote. That's what I meant by my statement.

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"Obama and Biden who has appeared in Vogue magazine?...Acoustic" Yes, yes, yes, why didn't I see it sooner? Experience in Washington consists of appearing in Vogue magazine.

No, Palin was in Vogue magazine. Sorry if my writing wasn't clear. Total irony, isn't it?

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Biden's experience in Washington consists of bombast, bloviation and baloney. He's touted as a foreign policy expert...but, he opposed the surge in Iraq...which worked.

Biden's been a member of Congress since I was born essentially. That's how bad a job he's done: no one's thrown him out even after 35 years of service.

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If you wrote that prediction Acoustic, you must have written it in invisible ink.

"The tend to believe that the person who shows the most integrity will win this election." - AG

And that was after explaining that I believe McCain is losing, or giving up his own integrity. I mean, I view it as a misstep on Obama's part that he paid any heed to McCain's Rove-ian ad campaign. If I were him I'd have found the sound bytes of McCain condemning Bush's election year ad tactics in the last two elections, and asked the simple question, "What happened to the real John McCain?"

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You seem oh so sensitive about Palin Acoustic. Why? You aren't going to vote for McCain/Palin anyway. One would logically think you would be overjoyed to see McCain make a huge mistake...as you see it.

I would be overjoyed to see your Palin in an election she had a better chance of winning. I would be overjoyed to see Palin making her own way on her own merit rather than being the pick for VP for reasons of gender, and experience that is too limited to be scrutinized. Call me an idealist if you must, but you should be sensitive to women being used for their gender over their substance, too.

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posted August 29, 2008 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for explaining AG.

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but you should be sensitive to women being used for their gender over their substance, too.

Somehow the fine people of Alaska believes she has "substance" with a 83% approval rating.

I have to ask, is it really really just about gender or a multitude of positive reasons ? I`d like to hear your pro`s and con`s. I`m serious!

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posted August 29, 2008 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The(y sic) tend to believe that the person who shows the most integrity will win this election." - AG

That's not a prediction Acoustic.

This is a prediction:

When this election is over, Joe Biden will still be Senator of Deleware and Barack Hussein Obama will still be Junior Senator of Illinois.

Well, what you said could be read your way..or my way. But let's not forget O'Bomber has been on the cover of Time 7 times in a year. Such shameless pandering by the lapdog press in America is embarrassing to say the least.

Putting a man of the cover who has no practical experience to be President of the United States, who badmouths America at every opportunity and whose friends, associates and political backers are in every case, Marxist radical America haters or crooks isn't going to get him elected.

Oh, surely you can't mean it Acoustic. Palin is a Governor and she didn't get there with the help of any political establishment. In fact, they..the Republican establishment opposed her candidacy. She beat their candidate in the Primary and then beat the democrat candidate.

So, let's compare Sarah Palin with Hillary. Naw, no need. Everyone knows Hillary rode Bill's coat tails into her Senate seat and attempted to use his image and recognization as President to become President.

So, how was Hillary doin it on her own?

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AG, i gotta say.. you rock! that's the first thing that came to my mind as well. the ultimate hypocrisy. to quote AG, women being used for their gender over their substance. let's face the truth. there is no way the republicans would have nominated a woman as a VP had it not been for Obama not choosing a woman.i mean comon! how much more obvious can they get?

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Pros:

    This will be a historic election. No matter who wins, there will either be a woman or a black man in office.

    She passed a bill that takes increasingly more revenue from oil companies drilling in Alaska based on how much oil is selling for.

    Exercised veto to grant benefits to gay state employees and their partners.

    She may be an actual fiscal conservative (not that she'll be involved in financial matters).

    She's pretty and young?

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    Zero foreign policy experience (touchy considering she'll be a heartbeat away from the presidency)

    20 months experience governing a state with a population smaller than San Francisco (she may as well be a mayor).

    Favors drilling in ANWR; cozy with oil (apparently in Alaska, that's a prerequisite).

    Has never been in an election involving more than 215,000 votes in total. Her biggest victory was getting 114,697 votes for a total of 48.3% of the vote (Gavin Newsome, the current mayor of San Francisco, won his position in 2003 with 133,546 votes).

    Favors taking polar bears off endangered species list.

    Has five kids, the youngest of which (a four-month old) has down syndrome. I'm not going to say that dad can't take care of the kids, but it is fairly early in Trig Van Palin's life to be abandoning him for career aspirations. We could have a breast-feeding President potentially. Wouldn't that be a great choice for her to have to make: step in for recently deceased John McCain as President, or nuture your baby into toddler-hood? I can just imagine her absolutely needing to attend to a national security matter while her baby needs a hospital visit, and how that would play with the public.

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"The(y sic) tend to believe that the person who shows the most integrity will win this election." - AG

That's not a prediction Acoustic.


Wow! Well, that's interesting. I didn't even look, but I thought that I wrote "I" tend to believe that the person who shows the most integrity will win this election. That should make things clear.

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Sorry, but as Geraldine Ferraro said, "Barack Obama wouldn't be where he is if he weren't black."

So, how is that in any way different...even given your mis analysis of the factual data.

Palin is not merely a woman. Palin is a conservative woman who has bucked the political and bureaucratic establishment and won...and has the same views on most issues as McCain. She shores up McCain with the Republican base which is somewhat tepid in their enthusiasm for McCain.

On the other hand, Biden is a Washington insider...the kind of insider whom O'Bomber says he's against...since he billed himself as a "new kind of politician". Picking O'Biden was a ploy to shore up his total lack of foreign policy experience and he couldn't have picked a worse horse to ride.

We now have in the demoscats, the very most far left Senator in the Senate...O'Bomber, paired with the #3 most liberal Senator in the Senate. O'Bomber with no foreign policy experience and O'Biden with faulty foreign policy initiatives.

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I think it was a great choice. It seems like it should be an interesting run for the presidency in the next few months.

BTW, I think it's safe to say that Palin was already being considered way before Obama had made his choice definite. I'm sure that it's way more than possible for certain conditions this year to have favored Palin's nomination, but why should that discredit the effort?

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