posted September 23, 2008 07:45 PM              

Caller: I have one question. I have no trouble believing that McCain is aware of this Luciferian Agenda that you write about? But what do you think are the motivations behind Barack Obama? Or if you'd like to speak of John Kennedy where it's more like it's a political circle rather than a Luciferian Agenda. And then if you can, if you can comment about Dr. Steiner, Dr. Rudolph Steiner as well, and his significance.

David: Well, don't start me off about Barack Obama, please, because we've only got 20 minutes left and I would have a lot to say, but Barack Obama is one of the most monumental windbags and frauds - the most blatant ones - that I've come across. You know, again, when you move your point of perception, you see things that you wouldn't normally see, and when I see him speak I see the rehearsal; I see the rehearsal where he looks at certain times, I see the rehearsal in the way he delivers it, and what I see is monumental ungenuineness. And then you look into his background, and you find this guy Zbignew Brzynski - the man who a few years ago in a Paris magazine admitted that when he was National Security Advisor for the Carter Administration, he set out to encourage and lure the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan, because he said he wanted to give the other superpower their Vietnam.

It cost a million lives in Afghanistan, that invasion, and that was not a problem to him, it seemed in the interview when he was asked about that, because lack of empathy, lack of empathy with the consequences of his actions. He also said that the way he tried to lure the Soviet Union into Afghanistan was before the invasion, to start to fund rebels in Afghanistan to resist the Soviet-controlled government in Kovol. When the invasion arrived from the Soviet Union, and these rebels became known as the Mujahedin, and after the invasion ended they became known as the Taliban, and what is called Al Qaeda, although that's nothing like what it's claimed to be. Al Qaeda to not only researchers like me, but according to the former British Secretary, a man called Robin Cook who wrote an article about this, Al Qaeda means "the database" - the base or the database - and it comes from the database of Mujahedin fighters, is who the CIA funded to meet and cause this disruption for the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

George: With bin Laden there as well, right?

David: Yes, one of the key things they did was at one point, that another 51st state of the United States, Saudi Arabia, provided this front man, this focus - Osama bin Laden - for that resistance to the Soviet invasion. So here we're talking about a man who is openly admitting that he basically started this chain of events, and consciously did it. A man who has written books about the desire for a centralized state at the time I have described in this interview, and he's the man behind Barack Obama. Barack Obama is like ALL of them - he's a front man, he's a shill, and what he's doing is selling himself. I think "blatantly", but then again, I'm one step back from it, but BLATANTLY selling himself into office, and he's just a front man for the same force.

Now, in the end, Zbignew Brzynski who was a co-founder of the Trilateral Commission - a MAJOR group of manipulating organizations in the west, particularly in America, but worldwide, too, in Europe and Japan, etc. He eventually locks in, if you go high enough, into the same force that controls the neo-con network which has controlled Bush and is behind McCain. So, whichever one you get, the same force is going to be in power - the government chain - but the control is not.

George: They've hedged their bets, in a sense, haven't they?